Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q to Prejudice, Racism, Conservative Views

[JD Barleycorn]

Timpage, do you think an Amish farmer should be able to sell his milk to his neighbors and people willing to cross a state line to get it? I think he should. My mother sold milk like this when I was a kid. Now it seems to be against a federal law and required a 5 AM sting operation to stop this perverted farmer. Riiighttt, our freedoms are better than ever.

How about a frequent flying woman who just wants to get home to Wyoming. She was not allowed to fly because she was a woman. They had no female screeners. If she had been a man then she could have flown but she was woman so the federal governement denied her right to fly and go home. They even knew she made this trip about every two weeks. Freedoms???

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

As Winston Churchill once said, "If at 20 you are not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 40 you are not a conservative, you have no brain."

I'm not a conservative, but I think the point is made.

Please give us churchhill's definition of a liberal and conservative. Thatcher, the "great" british conservative never during her time in office never advocated doing away with their healthcare system. So is a british conservative the same as an american liberal?

[CuteOldGuy]

I almost posted a smart ass reply to the doc, which is so unlike me. But it is actually a good question. I don't know what Churchill meant, or if the terms back then meant something other than they do now. I will have to look that up.

Thanks, doc! When I get some extra time, I'll try to find out. That would be interesting.

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I almost posted a smart ass reply to the doc, which is so unlike me. But it is actually a good question. I don't know what Churchill meant, or if the terms back then meant something other than they do now. I will have to look that up.

Thanks, doc! When I get some extra time, I'll try to find out. That would be interesting.

Yes, I agree that quote gets thrown around a lot. Also bear in mind, he used to drink a quart of brandy before breakfast.

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by drluv1

Yes, I agree that quote gets thrown around a lot. Also bear in mind, he used to drink a quart of brandy before breakfast.

That's Bullshit.

He drank Gin.

[LovingKayla]

This is some funny shit right here. ROTFLMAO!!

Even funnier bringing in the huffington post on an IQ STUDY. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by drluv1

Please give us churchhill's definition of a liberal and conservative. Thatcher, the "great" british conservative never during her time in office never advocated doing away with their healthcare system. So is a british conservative the same as an american liberal?

Considering the working relationship between conservative Thatcher and the conservative Reagan, you are probably wrong in saying a British conservative is equivalent to an American liberal.

Regarding Churchill's understanding liberals: 1) he left the liberal party to join the conservative party; thus, personifying his anecdote about being liberal while young and becoming conservative with wisdom and age; 2) there is this anecdote:

"One day after the Second World War ended, Winston Churchill and Labour Party Prime Minister Clement Attlee encountered one another at the urinal trough in the House of Common’s men’s washroom.

The conservative Winston Churchill was often at odds with Clement Attlee, leader of the Labor Party, which advocated a greater role for government in economic policy. When Churchill once entered the men's room he found Attlee standing at the urinal. Churchill took a position at the other, far end of the trough.

Attlee said, 'Feeling standoffish today, are we, Winston?'

Churchill said: 'That’s right. Every time you see something big, you want to nationalize it.'"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90337494


So an American conservative and a British conservative understand liberals the same way. As PM Margaret Thatcher said, “The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.”

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

This is some funny shit right here. ROTFLMAO!!

Even funnier bringing in the huffington post on an IQ STUDY. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, another good point.

[essence]

- WC was a master of spin, don't believe he meant everything he said.

- don't confuse conservatives, tories, wigs, liberals, labour socialists.

- WC was never a wilting flower. He fought in South Africa as a stepping stone to his political career. He had no problems quashing Liverpool strikes with armed soldiers, early in his career (1911 or so?).

- I would guess WC changed party becuase of personal ambition rather than any philosophical reason, but I need to look that up. Don;t ever think of early 20th century liberals as being anything like modern day liberals (who in the UK at least resign every other week because they are found with their trousers down with a) a rent boy b) their secretary/PA c) their wife).

- Thatcher had a well known chant 'Thatcher Thatcher, milk snatcher' because when she was health secretary, she stopped the tradition of children getting free milk in their morning break. Kind of brings two stories together (see above).

- a quick google brought up http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk..._churchill.htm which should disabuse everybody of any idea that WC was ever at any time any kind of liberal/socialist.

- that's it for now.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

- a quick google brought up http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk..._churchill.htm which should disabuse everybody of any idea that WC was ever at any time any kind of liberal/socialist.

- that's it for now.

No confusion. WC was a conservative - even when he was a liberal.

[cptjohnstone]

if and when you are in London, you have to go to Churchill's bunker

[CuteOldGuy]

I've never been to England, but I kind of like the Beatles.

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Considering the working relationship between conservative Thatcher and the conservative Reagan, you are probably wrong in saying a British conservative is equivalent to an American liberal.

Regarding Churchill's understanding liberals: 1) he left the liberal party to join the conservative party; thus, personifying his anecdote about being liberal while young and becoming conservative with wisdom and age; 2) there is this anecdote:

"One day after the Second World War ended, Winston Churchill and Labour Party Prime Minister Clement Attlee encountered one another at the urinal trough in the House of Common’s men’s washroom.

The conservative Winston Churchill was often at odds with Clement Attlee, leader of the Labor Party, which advocated a greater role for government in economic policy. When Churchill once entered the men's room he found Attlee standing at the urinal. Churchill took a position at the other, far end of the trough.

Attlee said, 'Feeling standoffish today, are we, Winston?'

Churchill said: 'That’s right. Every time you see something big, you want to nationalize it.'"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90337494


So an American conservative and a British conservative understand liberals the same way. As PM Margaret Thatcher said, “The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.”

Reagan was no conservative. He tripled the national debt and raised taxes 12 times.

Your anecdotes don't delineate what conservative or liberal was defined as in britian in churchill's time and how those definitions apply to the preeent use of those terms in the USA.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by drluv1

Reagan was no conservative. He tripled the national debt and raised taxes 12 times.

Your anecdotes don't delineate what conservative or liberal was defined as in britian in churchill's time and how those definitions apply to the preeent use of those terms in the USA.

The anecdote shows Churchill clearly believed that there were some things in the world that should not be nationalized. Churchill had an unbending love for his country, and he did his best to "conserve" Great Britain’s position in the world by resisting any and all that might bring Britain down.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Timpage, do you think an Amish farmer should be able to sell his milk to his neighbors and people willing to cross a state line to get it? I think he should. My mother sold milk like this when I was a kid. Now it seems to be against a federal law and required a 5 AM sting operation to stop this perverted farmer. Riiighttt, our freedoms are better than ever.

How about a frequent flying woman who just wants to get home to Wyoming. She was not allowed to fly because she was a woman. They had no female screeners. If she had been a man then she could have flown but she was woman so the federal governement denied her right to fly and go home. They even knew she made this trip about every two weeks. Freedoms???

First, your examples are anecdotal. The number of people desiring amish milk is insignificant in the greater scheme of things. On the other hand, the number of children in the country who drink milk from the huge dairy operations who are responsible for 99.99% of the milk production in this country are, and ought be, required to comply with reasonable government regulations in order to ensure that the milk the kiddos are drinking is safe. Sound sensible? Or are you advocating the revocation of all regulations regarding the safe production of milk so that a couple of dozen amish farmers can sell their milk to a couple of hundred weirdos who like amish milk?

Second, one woman....out of the hundreds of thousands of people that fly every day, can't get to her destination because of the lack of a female TSA person to search her? That doesn't sound like a calamity that is an immediate threat to my freedom. Don't get me wrong, I fly a lot and totally agree that what we have to go through at security checkpoints at airports is an ineffective security measure that irritates the shit out of me. But it's a few minutes out of my life, not the end of my god-given freedoms.

As with COG's endless "The sky is falling, we are losing our freedom" nonsense, these examples of our supposed loss of freedom are not the kind of thing that are making me lay awake at night. It's mostly made-up politically driven bullshit designed to stir up the repukes to try to get them to turn out and vote for the GOP clowns running for POTUS. If a republican is elected, we'll stop hearing about it, even though nothing will change in regard to Amish milk sales and the occasional Wyoming traveler being delayed, because the conservative entertainment machine will stop harping on it, and people like you, who rely on the conservative entertainment industry for their opinions, will stop repeating it.

Carry on.