On any given day it is only worth as much as he is willing to offer and she is willing to accept. And it DOES change. So why so down on those that want to offer less?

[HunterGrace]

Besides one session, perhaps a man should include an incentive to the provider for extending a discount. Like, a multihour request instead of a one hour request. Or perhaps to bring lunch or a sexy outfit. Otherwise, what would motivate her to even consider it? If she's having a slow week, she could just offer a special, right?

[Reya Sunshine]

I totally agree!

I guess I'm lucky in a way because I've very VERY rarely ever had to deal with hagglers and when I come across them I keep it short but polite so no one gets pissed off.

Originally Posted by nuglet

it's all about both parties feeling satisfied with the deal and no one got screwed in a bad way. Like Will Rogers said, "I'd feel better about being the guy that bought the Bay bridge than being the guy that sold it".

[knotty man]

Originally Posted by HunterGrace

Besides one session, perhaps a man should include an incentive to the provider for extending a discount. Like, a multihour request instead of a one hour request. Or perhaps to bring lunch or a sexy outfit. Otherwise, what would motivate her to even consider it? If she's having a slow week, she could just offer a special, right?

LUNCH! hell ill do a waaaay fancy dinner .....AND FRIES!!!. i wont even use a coupon

[mastermind238]

Originally Posted by HunterGrace

Besides one session, perhaps a man should include an incentive to the provider for extending a discount. Like, a multihour request instead of a one hour request. Or perhaps to bring lunch or a sexy outfit. Otherwise, what would motivate her to even consider it? If she's having a slow week, she could just offer a special, right?

Like prepaid sessions? I've found this approach works quite well. My usual first session with a lady is a HH at her published HH rate (if offered). That's less time and money invested up front if we don't click. But once I know I want to repeat with a particular lady, sometimes I'll offer to prepay for several sessions. I know many guys have been burned in such arrangements, but I never have. The ladies with which I've made such arrangements have all been very trustworthy. Whisper's example of 3 hrs for $600 is a good one that approximates reality in my case ($600 up front for three one-hour sessions with a lady whose regular hourly rate was $240, I believe). The lady needed some quick cash and I was able to help out. No GPS involved. And since no cash changed hands at the second and third sessions, I was able to forget that it was P4P (well, not really, but sortof).

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by mastermind238

Like prepaid sessions? I've found this approach works quite well. My usual first session with a lady is a HH at her published HH rate (if offered). That's less time and money invested up front if we don't click. But once I know I want to repeat with a particular lady, sometimes I'll offer to prepay for several sessions. I know many guys have been burned in such arrangements, but I never have. The ladies with which I've made such arrangements have all been very trustworthy. Whisper's example of 3 hrs for $600 is a good one that approximates reality in my case ($600 up front for three one-hour sessions with a lady whose regular hourly rate was $240, I believe). The lady needed some quick cash and I was able to help out. No GPS involved. And since no cash changed hands at the second and third sessions, I was able to forget that it was P4P (well, not really, but sortof).

It is quite the gamble though. I'd say you've been very fortunate. If she decides after the first two sessions that it was a raw deal then you're out $200.

[guest031012]

mastermind is sexy and great in bed...so of course the girls don't rip him off and let him come back again and again and again

[Spacemtn]

Originally Posted by Jamieyoung

mastermind is sexy and great in bed...so of course the girls don't rip him off and let him come back again and again and again

I bet Mastermind gives her a Grandfathered rate for all of that sucking up!!!

Spacemtn
AustinModStaff

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by HunterGrace

Besides one session, perhaps a man should include an incentive to the provider for extending a discount. Like, a multihour request instead of a one hour request. Or perhaps to bring lunch or a sexy outfit. Otherwise, what would motivate her to even consider it? If she's having a slow week, she could just offer a special, right?

I agree with the concept of offering multihour as a way of negotiating down a rate... But a gift defeats the purpose....

Ad wouldn't a lady that was slightly open to entertaining an offer do herself better in being receptive rather than having to RUN a special? And not running specials helps her maintain her price structure.

If I see something on sale for $50 less tomorrow..... I'll never pay full price for it again... I'll offer $50 less or wait for the special again....

[mastermind238]

Originally Posted by Jamieyoung

mastermind is sexy and great in bed...so of course the girls don't rip him off and let him come back again and again and again

[budman33]

We're not buying cars here.

If a lady has a posted rate then that's her rate. If she doesn't have a posted rate 1/2 hours, multi hours etc then I think its more than fair to throw a number out there.

If she runs a special now and then and if you only want the special price then wait for her next special. Reviews set expectation for all of us. Usually the reviewer will notate he saw her on a special price day.

But otherwise the reviews show us what her rate is. So pay it.

Haggling while expected in some cultures and for many things is a two way street. Unfortunately here in the hobby world its a one way street.

why? If you haggle a lady down, and she accepts then you still expect her to bring her A+ game that you have read all about in ROS. If she doesn't then you may review her poorly. If she does bring her A game and they almost always do then she starts driving down her rate because the new client wants the other client's price.

IMO, if your trying to negotiate which to me is more akin to Gaming a provider to see how low she'll go then you should also expect and accept on occasion that you get instead of a PSE experience you get a GFE or instead of a GFE you get a GoGoGtfo* experience.

Providers though, risk losing all kinds of business unless they provide the same level of service every time.

When you've seen her before then sure she can can extend discounts but it really should be up to HER, not us and I don't think that's chest thumping but just respect for her posted rates.

note:

*GoGoGtfo = Get on, Get off, Get the fuck out

[homer13]

Originally Posted by mastermind238

Like prepaid sessions? I've found this approach works quite well. My usual first session with a lady is a HH at her published HH rate (if offered). That's less time and money invested up front if we don't click. But once I know I want to repeat with a particular lady, sometimes I'll offer to prepay for several sessions. I know many guys have been burned in such arrangements, but I never have. The ladies with which I've made such arrangements have all been very trustworthy. Whisper's example of 3 hrs for $600 is a good one that approximates reality in my case ($600 up front for three one-hour sessions with a lady whose regular hourly rate was $240, I believe). The lady needed some quick cash and I was able to help out. No GPS involved. And since no cash changed hands at the second and third sessions, I was able to forget that it was P4P (well, not really, but sortof).

Very risky and not something I would not consider with a provider unless I had seen her lots and lots of times and was converting her into a sugar baby.

I don't see what the issue is with guys making an offer, you say yes or you say no. I've never sent a provider a lesser offer offer but I don't see why it's such a big deal. When I go to a strip club and wanna play the stripper tells me what she wants, I tell her what I wanna pay and then we either make a deal or we don't.

The ladies that advertise on bp, craigslist, newspapers etc.. Everything else on those sites and print get lessor offers made and a deal is struck or it isn't. I've seen on some ads where the ladies post that they don't reduce rates so don't ask. Maybe posting this on your showcase and ads will keep guys from asking.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by CRamsey

I don't haggle a woman's rates. If I can't afford her listed rate or her special, then I will move on. There are plenty to choose from. I've always figured if I haggled the rate, the quality of service would suffer.

+1

I want the A game, not the I settled for 250 when my milkshake is worth 300 game.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by budman33

We're not buying cars here.

If a lady has a posted rate then that's her rate. If she doesn't have a posted rate 1/2 hours, multi hours etc then I think its more than fair to throw a number out there.

If she runs a special now and then and if you only want the special price then wait for her next special. Reviews set expectation for all of us. Usually the reviewer will notate he saw her on a special price day.

But otherwise the reviews show us what her rate is. So pay it.

Haggling while expected in some cultures and for many things is a two way street. Unfortunately here in the hobby world its a one way street.

why? If you haggle a lady down, and she accepts then you still expect her to bring her A+ game that you have read all about in ROS. If she doesn't then you may review her poorly. If she does bring her A game and they almost always do then she starts driving down her rate because the new client wants the other client's price.

IMO, if your trying to negotiate which to me is more akin to Gaming a provider to see how low she'll go then you should also expect and accept on occasion that you get instead of a PSE experience you get a GFE or instead of a GFE you get a GoGoGtfo* experience.

Providers though, risk losing all kinds of business unless they provide the same level of service every time.

When you've seen her before then sure she can can extend discounts but it really should be up to HER, not us and I don't think that's chest thumping but just respect for her posted rates.

note:

*GoGoGtfo = Get on, Get off, Get the fuck out

You doing alright up there Budman. these are providers not your girlfriends you don't have to be so whipped.

Demand always sets price. A lady can set any price she wants but if she has no demand she either lowers the price or finds something else.

Everything is like buying a car, everything is negotiable and if its not, its not gonna sell as much and not gonna sell as fast.

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by homer13

+1

I want the A game, not the I settled for 250 when my milkshake is worth 300 game.

+2

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by budman33

..............the reviews show us what her rate is. So pay it.

You don't really believe that all of the time do you? Lots of guys will put the Ladies Rate for an hour and just an hour..... When in reality.... they paid less or stayed longer.

Some ladies that have never been reviewed or have not been reviewed in a few months will contact some of their old clients and offer discounts for reviews.... sometimes freebies....

Some hobbyists have been known to troll the Welcome areas and pressure new girls to trade services for reviews promising to "make them".... paying 0-$100 for a session and then writing a glowing review at her full rate.

Originally Posted by budman33

Haggling while expected in some cultures and for many things is a two way street. Unfortunately here in the hobby world its a one way street.

Not true.... I know you are looking for your head pats here but come one man.... groiw a set... It goes on every day in every walk of life....

A few get upset about it.... some participate in it.... and some simply ignore it.... But it happens.... every day...

Originally Posted by budman33

why? If you haggle a lady down, and she accepts then you still expect her to bring her A+ game that you have read all about in ROS. If she doesn't then you may review her poorly. If she does bring her A game and they almost always do then she starts driving down her rate because the new client wants the other client's price.

unless the other review has inaccurate information as they most likely do in these situations.. the real info gets shared in other ways...

Originally Posted by budman33

IMO, if your trying to negotiate which to me is more akin to Gaming a provider to see how low she'll go then you should also expect and accept on occasion that you get instead of a PSE experience you get a GFE or instead of a GFE you get a GoGoGtfo* experience.

Providers though, risk losing all kinds of business unless they provide the same level of service every time.

When you've seen her before then sure she can can extend discounts but it really should be up to HER, not us and I don't think that's chest thumping but just respect for her posted rates.

Gaming a provider?

Really?.... You realize you belittle the ladies insinuating they are not mature enough or have enough business savvy to handle it themselves....