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WyldemanATX · 10-22-2011, 09:49 PM

I was being sarcastic. You will never get a good return for your investment when you give it to the Government. If Warren Buffet wants to give more money to the Government I say go ahead. Both parties suck at balancing a budget. We need term limits for congress. I am voting No Bama.

Booth · 10-22-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I was being sarcastic. You will never get a good return for your investment when you give it to the Government. If Warren Buffet wants to give more money to the Government I say go ahead. Both parties suck at balancing a budget. We need term limits for congress. I am voting No Bama.

Would you still vote for the Republican candidate even if you knew for a fact your taxes would go up? Let's pretend that it's not even debatable and you know you'll see an increase in your taxes. What do you do?

WyldemanATX · 10-23-2011, 08:08 AM

Giving our government more money is bad business. Booth... I will vote for the lesser of the two evils....

Booth · 10-23-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Giving our government more money is bad business. Booth... I will vote for the lesser of the two evils....

I understand your sentiment but it doesn't really answer the question. Let's say the nominee is either Perry or Cain. They both propose a flat tax and by doing the math you are certain that your taxes will see an increase. Are they still the lesser of two evils in your eyes?

WyldemanATX · 10-23-2011, 09:11 AM

How is this for you no matter what I am not ever gonna vote for Obama.

Billy_Saul · 10-23-2011, 09:57 AM

Cain's plan is not really a flat tax. In an early debate he mentioned the possibility of an 8-8-8 plan for Detroit, and in the last debate stated he would propose to have "opportunity zones". He is now floating the idea that he will alter the income tax part of his plan. He is all over the place. I like the guy but any sweeping change of the tax code needs to be vetted over a period of time longer then the 3 months or so that his plan has been on the table.

I would vote for a comprehensive change of the tax code where I would personally end up paying more in taxes based on the presumption that it would be permanent and result in long term benefit to the economy. With each passing year I dread doing my taxes more and more. 14,000 tax code changes in the last 10 years driven by lobbyists and special interests is beyond absurd. I can't imagine any country on earth has a more complicated, inequitable, and inefficient tax code then we currently do in the US.

WyldemanATX · 10-23-2011, 10:25 AM

The dream would be a one page form to do your taxes. I like any candidate that is for getting rid of the IRS. I have been audited for 2007 and 2008. The IRS are fucking assholes.

Billy_Saul · 10-23-2011, 10:34 AM

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The dream would be a one page form to do your taxes. I like any candidate that is for getting rid of the IRS. I have been audited for 2007 and 2008. The IRS are fucking assholes.

I got audited for three years once and ending up with money due me and getting a check. They then dropped the threat for an audit of a fourth year. Fucking ridiculous.

WyldemanATX · 10-23-2011, 03:11 PM

I think once I get the 2008 stuff to them they will owe me money and that should end the harassment.

Booth · 10-23-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

How is this for you no matter what I am not ever gonna vote for Obama.

So back to my "what if" question, would you just not vote, would you vote 3rd party or would you vote for a Republican who proposes to raise your taxes?

WyldemanATX · 10-23-2011, 09:43 PM

No matter what I want Obama to be a one term President. I will vote for the best chances to make that happen. He IMO is the worst President since Carter. I doubt that any Republican will raise taxes if elected in the next 4 years.

harkontume · 10-24-2011, 09:31 AM

I will vote for anyone who runs against Obama.

If that is Cain then great. He has my vote. If that is Milford Fudd of NowhereVille Nevada, I will vote for him.

aroundaustin · 10-24-2011, 09:49 AM

The Bush tax cuts resulted in higher tax revenue with the all-time highest collection year of tax revenue being 2007. The deficit grew because of out of control spending. The revenue side of the equation improved once the tax cuts took full effect. Of course, that all ended when the housing bubble burst but that problem was not caused by cutting tax rates.

austin_voy · 10-24-2011, 10:09 AM

A progressive tax punishes people who have become successful of their own accord. Not just the bottom feeders but people who went to college for legitimate jobs. Engineers and nurses as two examples. I tutored some kids who thought that they could "go to school" for a couple of years and then go into pro sports. And others who just didn't see any advantage. Or had parents who discouraged them outright. THESE are the people who are screaming "tax the rich". The guy who went out and got a masters in ancient Greek music and now can't find a job that doesn't involved a spatula and a griddle.

So what kind of services do I get for my $38,000 a year that somebody who pays $3800 doesn't get? Do I get more than "Thank you for contacting me. <whatever I wrote about> is an important issue and I plan to address it in the next session of Congress"

I'm tired of being told to "pay your fair share" by people who have chosen to not earn their fair share.

aroundaustin · 10-24-2011, 10:39 AM

Damn straight Austin_voy!! This is why I like Cain's plan of a flat income tax (until the Fair Tax gets passed) and a national sales tax. Everybody as some skin in it (as Obama likes to say). Let's see these asshole politicians get support for raising taxes instead of adhering to a responsible budget when EVERYBODY will be subjected to the increase. NO MORE of the let's tax this group and not that one. A tax everyone is subjected to will go a long ways toward forcing the government to be responsible and live within it's means.