another Trump threat..this time the Panama Canal

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It would mean the military invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign power.

Have you been asleep for the last 20 years...hell 40? We do it pretty regularly.

I'd at least want OUR canal taken back... and seriously, we just want US administration of the Canal zone again instead of being ass raped by the ChiComs.

And in case you haven't figured it out, there's war coming with the Chi Coms... and thats a choke point.

We have a better chance of defending it if we're there.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It would mean the military invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign power.

Have you been asleep for the last 20 years...hell 40? We do it pretty regularly.

I'd at least want OUR canal taken back... and seriously, we just want US administration of the Canal zone again instead of being ass raped by the ChiComs.

And in case you haven't figured it out, there's war coming with the Chi Coms... and thats a choke point.

We have a better chance of defending it if we're there.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Have you been asleep for the last 20 years...hell 40? We do it pretty regularly.

I'd at least want OUR canal taken back... and seriously, we just want US administration of the Canal zone again instead of being ass raped by the ChiComs.

And in case you haven't figured it out, there's war coming with the Chi Coms... and thats a choke point.

We have a better chance of defending it if we're there.

And it’s been a mistake every time we’ve done it. The only time we’ve ever been slightly successful has been in Korea, Israel and in Ukraine.

And that’s because the locals want us there.

You claim we’re being “ass raped by the ChiComs”. Can you please expand on this claim?

[Precious_b]

If donny would have just paid his taxes on his businesses there, this would not be happening.

But no. We have to have a man-baby throw a tantrum because he got caught grifting.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Gimenez Raises Concerns Over China's Influence on Panama Canal

https://floridianpress.com/2024/12/g...-panama-canal/


President-elect Donald Trump recently suggested wresting back control of the Panama Canal, claiming America is being "ripped off. " However, what concerned Representative Carlos Gimenez (R-FL) more in a recent appearance on Fox Business's Varney & Co. is China's influence on the Canal, which in turn means Trump has "legitimate concerns" about the issue.


Rep. Gimenez did not definitively affirm Trump's claim that the United States is treated unfairly regarding the Panama Canal. However, he did point out that "China has a way of trying to either buy or coerce different influencers or politicians to do their bidding," noting that several people on the Panama Canal Authority "had, in fact, been coerced or cooperated by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)."


While the exact nature of Rep. Gimenez's claim requires verification, the CCP-linked Landbridge Group has begun construction of a free trade port on Margarita Island, and Chinese companies manage ports at both ends of the Canal. Additionally, Panama was the first Western Hemisphere country to join China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and sever diplomatic ties with Taiwan.


As a result, the Florida Congressman said, "[Trump] has legitimate concerns when it comes to the Panama Canal."


When asked if the United States retaking control of the Canal was possible, Gimenez admitted he had not "read the fine print, but apparently [Trump] has, and there has to be provisions in there that say they [Panama] have to treat the United States a certain way. If they have been violating that, then I do not know."


Nevertheless, Gimenez said he "always takes [Trump] seriously, even though he may sound a little bit out there" and suggested Trump's recent announcement was because "he wants a better deal, and I think we are going to get a better deal from Panama and also, we need to get rid of Chinese influence on the Panama Canal."


Gimenez is not alone in countering China's maritime ambitions, for Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL), who is slated to become Trump's Secretary of State, introduced a bill in August calling for the Department of Defense to identify Chinese companies and their proxies seeking to buy shares in ports dubbed crucial to the United States economy and national security, saying, "Our nation can't allow Communist China to invest in geographically and economically strategic ports. We must prevent, at all costs, the chance for our adversaries to use our resources against us."

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Have you been asleep for the last 20 years...hell 40? We do it pretty regularly.

I'd at least want OUR canal taken back... and seriously, we just want US administration of the Canal zone again instead of being ass raped by the ChiComs.

And in case you haven't figured it out, there's war coming with the Chi Coms... and thats a choke point.

We have a better chance of defending it if we're there.

So, given how the US does invasions you're saying we'd go into Panama, blow the hell out of the canal and half the country, completely fuck the trade routes and cause crazy inflation. And then build it back better and hand the keys back to Panama. Bout sums up the middle east doesn't it? Sounds...wacko

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Gimenez Raises Concerns Over China's Influence on Panama Canal

https://floridianpress.com/2024/12/g...-panama-canal/

As a result, the Florida Congressman said, "[Trump] has legitimate concerns when it comes to the Panama Canal."

Well this is information that I didn't know about. Chinese influence in the Panama Canal Zone through their belt and road initiative.

Here is a good article with more details about the issue.

https://www.newsweek.com/american-in...pinion-1830950

Although invasion is a very bad option. We need to be working with the Panamanian government about the issue.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Well this is information that I didn't know about. Chinese influence in the Panama Canal Zone through their belt and road initiative.

Here is a good article with more details about the issue.

https://www.newsweek.com/american-in...pinion-1830950

Although invasion is a very bad option. We need to be working with the Panamanian government about the issue.

now you know why Trump is already putting pressure on the Panamanian government

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Trump should dig a new canal, from the Gulf to the Pacific on the southern borders of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. Fill that fucker with piranhas and alligators. It’ll revolutionize the shipping industry and solve the border crisis in one go.

That there's funny I don't care who y'are!

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

now you know why Trump is already putting pressure on the Panamanian government

Here’s the problem. Panama moved towards China back in 2017 under the first Trump administration.

Panama’s decision in 2017 to jettison Taiwan and establish diplomatic relations with China caught the United States off guard and signaled Beijing’s growing influence in Latin America. It was the first time China had poached a country in the region in a decade, and it cleared the way for others to ditch Taipei, including the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras.

Then new elections delivered a new administration which has moved closer towards the US.

In May 2024, Panamanians elected a conservative former foreign minister, José Raúl Mulino, as president. It was an awkward moment for the United States. Mulino had been hand-picked by former President Ricardo Martinelli after the State Department sanctioned Martinelli for corruption and Panama’s Supreme Court prohibited his candidacy following a money-laundering conviction. Mulino’s campaign adopted the slogan, “Martinelli is Mulino, Mulino is Martinelli.”

But on the day of his election, Mulino pledged to be “nobody’s puppet,” and his ties to Martinelli have not colored his approach to the United States. He has moved quickly to portray Panama as a “strategic partner” for the White House. His foreign minister has traveled to Washington four times, including in July for a meeting with Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Panama has not shown similar affection for China, the Panama Canal’s No. 2 customer.

And now El Schitzenpants is threatening the new government in Panama who purportedly are trying to make alliance with the United States.

Trump is a truly shitty diplomat. Maybe something good will come from this but it will be despite Trump’s influence on the process.

Read more here: https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/09/24...united-states/

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Here’s the problem. Panama moved towards China back in 2017 under the first Trump administration.

Panama’s decision in 2017 to jettison Taiwan and establish diplomatic relations with China caught the United States off guard and signaled Beijing’s growing influence in Latin America. It was the first time China had poached a country in the region in a decade, and it cleared the way for others to ditch Taipei, including the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras.

Then new elections delivered a new administration which has moved closer towards the US.

In May 2024, Panamanians elected a conservative former foreign minister, José Raúl Mulino, as president. It was an awkward moment for the United States. Mulino had been hand-picked by former President Ricardo Martinelli after the State Department sanctioned Martinelli for corruption and Panama’s Supreme Court prohibited his candidacy following a money-laundering conviction. Mulino’s campaign adopted the slogan, “Martinelli is Mulino, Mulino is Martinelli.”

But on the day of his election, Mulino pledged to be “nobody’s puppet,” and his ties to Martinelli have not colored his approach to the United States. He has moved quickly to portray Panama as a “strategic partner” for the White House. His foreign minister has traveled to Washington four times, including in July for a meeting with Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Panama has not shown similar affection for China, the Panama Canal’s No. 2 customer.

And now El Schitzenpants is threatening the new government in Panama who purportedly are trying to make alliance with the United States.

Trump is a truly shitty diplomat. Maybe something good will come from this but it will be despite Trump’s influence on the process.

Read more here: https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/09/24...united-states/

epic fail. trying to throw Trump under the bus for Panama's leaning back toward the US is Biden's accomplishment omits the fact that they leaned to China under Obama's terms.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

epic fail. trying to throw Trump under the bus for Panama's leaning back toward the US is Biden's accomplishment omits the fact that they leaned to China under Obama's terms.

If telling the truth about Trump is throwing him under the bus then so be it. And you didn’t mention anything about him threatening Panama. I’m sure that he will be a “great” negotiator while he threatens the Panamanian government. Are you sure that this isn’t about his butthurt feelings over his failed Panamanian hotel venture.

A Quick Reminder on the Trump Organization’s Tax Evasion in Panama

Donald Trump’s new threat against Panama should come with a reminder about how his family organization operated in the country.

Donald Trump has an outstanding tax evasion case in Panama, the same country he’s just publicly accused of financial wrongdoing, according to Newsweek.

Read about it here: https://newrepublic.com/post/189654/...evasion-panama

Or

Canal threats, money-laundering claims and a hotel battle: Trump’s long, weird history with Panama

Major Trump project in Panama City brought lawsuits, shoving matches and money-laundering allegations before Trump lost it in hostile takeover

Read more about it here: https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2669419.html

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

If telling the truth about Trump is throwing him under the bus then so be it. And you didn’t mention anything about him threatening Panama. I’m sure that he will be a “great” negotiator while he threatens the Panamanian government. Are you sure that this isn’t about his butthurt feelings over his failed Panamanian hotel venture.

A Quick Reminder on the Trump Organization’s Tax Evasion in Panama

Donald Trump’s new threat against Panama should come with a reminder about how his family organization operated in the country.

Donald Trump has an outstanding tax evasion case in Panama, the same country he’s just publicly accused of financial wrongdoing, according to Newsweek.

Read about it here: https://newrepublic.com/post/189654/...evasion-panama

Or

Canal threats, money-laundering claims and a hotel battle: Trump’s long, weird history with Panama

Major Trump project in Panama City brought lawsuits, shoving matches and money-laundering allegations before Trump lost it in hostile takeover

Read more about it here: https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2669419.html

Trump was never the owner of the property and thus not responsible for taxes. any attempts to tie control of the Panama canal to a tax dispute is nonsense

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Trump was never the owner of the property and thus not responsible for taxes. any attempts to tie control of the Panama canal to a tax dispute is nonsense

I am tying it to Trump’s notoriously thin skin. Even if it is not true it certainly looks like more of his revenge tour.

If he wants to push the Panamanians into the Chinese camp pissing off their leader and the Panamanian people will surely have an effect.

He just can’t go pissing people off forever. Sooner or later someone is going to take a shot at him? Oh wait they did, at least twice.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I am tying it to Trump’s notoriously thin skin. Even if it is not true it certainly looks like more of his revenge tour.

If he wants to push the Panamanians into the Chinese camp pissing off their leader and the Panamanian people will surely have an effect.

He just can’t go pissing people off forever. Sooner or later someone is going to take a shot at him? Oh wait they did, at least twice.

nonsense. has nothing to do with the panama canal. you weren't even aware of Chinese influence in panama and the canal until i told you.

now you want to claim it's revenge over a meaningless tax case.

fail