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Old 01-23-2024, 03:57 PM   #16
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Is the build quality on a Tesla really what they make it out to be online? Poorly fitting plastic bits, cheap construction?
I actually felt my Teslas were well constructed. From a quality perspective, they felt solid like my german luxury cars, but with a much more minimalist design on the interior. I didn't like the all glass roof. It made the interior very hot in the summer and there was little to no UV protection. My head would get sunburned if I was driving for a while. I had to keep a hat inside to wear for longer treks. Other than that, I was fairly impressed with the quality of the couple I had for a while.
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Old 01-23-2024, 10:55 PM   #17
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I absolutely support EVs, and their use domestically where it makes sense. So what - a bunch of washed-up generals and other fear monger wannabes telling me that it's going to bolster China in some way is a red herring. Prove it's a threat!! More stupidity for the anti EV, Petroleum Based solicitors trying to control the narrative
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Only with the government stepping in and putting a blanket ban on the sale of newly manufactured gas vehicles
1. It is a national security threat - all you have to do is look at China's dominance of the EV supply chains

2. Let's listen to a real expert - Toyota's chairman and former CEO, Akio Toyoda, provided the public with a dose of reality that electric vehicles will never dominate the global car market. At a business event this month, he noted that EVs will never capture 30% of global market share.

He noted: "Customers — not regulations or politics — should make that decision."

Over the years, Toyota has openly demonstrated defiance against governments and NGOs pushing for 100% EVs in just a few decades, if not earlier.

In October, Toyoda told reporters at an auto show in Japan that EVs aren't the silver bullet against the supposed ills of carbon emissions they're often made out to be.

In recent days, we have seen:

1. Hertz announce they are dumping their EV fleet (over 20,000 vehicles) at a loss
2. Ford announced plans to slash production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning in April
3. The average price of a used Tesla has collapsed.
4. Just look at the loss in resale value from the rental market



You have to be either misinformed or someone who is deceived by the climate hoax bullshit to think EVs are the answer and are going to take over the market. Let alone let China control our market and national security
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Old 01-24-2024, 11:23 AM   #18
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1. It is a national security threat - all you have to do is look at China's dominance of the EV supply chains This is an opinion of political influencers. BIAS

2. Let's listen to a real expert - Toyota's chairman and former CEO, Akio Toyoda, provided the public with a dose of reality that electric vehicles will never dominate the global car market. At a business event this month, he noted that EVs will never capture 30% of global market share.

He noted: "Customers — not regulations or politics — should make that decision."

Over the years, Toyota has openly demonstrated defiance against governments and NGOs pushing for 100% EVs in just a few decades, if not earlier.

In October, Toyoda told reporters at an auto show in Japan that EVs aren't the silver bullet against the supposed ills of carbon emissions they're often made out to be.

In recent days, we have seen:

1. Hertz announce they are dumping their EV fleet (over 20,000 vehicles) at a loss
2. Ford announced plans to slash production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning in April
3. The average price of a used Tesla has collapsed.
4. Just look at the loss in resale value from the rental market

You have to be either misinformed or someone who is deceived by the climate hoax bullshit to think EVs are the answer and are going to take over the market. Let alone let China control our market and national security

so are you conflating public interest in purchasing cars vs. actual national security? Sure sounds like you are.


I've said that the opinion of a few ex military Brass and paid shills have come out to say that this is a security threat. I don't buy it. The most reputable and noted expert on EV's is a domestic supplier to the USA, and is Tesla. Clearly in the lead of market penetration and brand recognition. Is that a threat to national security?? If so, where was the alarm over the past 7-10 yrs of their production? Parts come from all over the world for the auto industry. The fact that some are from China isn't surprising at all. Hell, if you really want to know where china is a threat is in the cell phone industry- but that is for another topic.

As far as EV's being the latest boogeyman for the GOP and conservatives, --it's just another bullshit topic that anything progressive is bad. Electric has it's limits no doubt, and not for everyone- hence what toyota has decided and the market is soft on them right now.

Wonder why that is?

Well look at the news cycles of late demonizing them!

How many news cycles on conservative media point out that there are flaws in charging and it loses charge in the cold.- all known isues before, but under the magnifying glass now. But as prices of gas come down as they have- the lure of EV's is softer now for that reason too. Incentives are less in some models, so that is part n parcel.

What EVs do well is a few things that is forgotten- If you don't need to drive far daily- they are a great alternative. You can charge off you home power outlets. Slow- but still not having to drive to town or a gas station. They have great performance in general- with the TESLA plaid being hard to beat by any other car, gas or electric. And they are typically reliable when charged up.

GAs cars have way shittier track records for efficiency, costs overall, safety, and of course environmental issues. There are 10x more safety and technology advancements in EV's than gasoline cars. A technology that is literally over 100 yrs old. A small step above riding on a horse and buggy. Certainly not perfect, but a step forward in total. The whole national security issue is a ruse, and the soft market is likely due to high prices. All technology comes down as that gets more mainstream.

Look at HD tv's when they came out. a Plasma tv was 5 grand....today an OLED tv has 4-8x the clarity, costs under a grand even at 85", and uses 1/4 of the energy.

This is at best a bump in the road- But in DJT land, conservatives don't like those uppity technology mother fuckers do they?

Clean Coal, was the last thing they were screaming.

EV's are here to stay- get used to it.
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so are you conflating public interest in purchasing cars vs. actual national security? Sure sounds like you are.
No

I was simply pointing out other related issues including the words of an expert from the world's most popular car company

The national security aspect is accurate and real. Just look at these declarations from the US Government

In certain cases, EV batteries and their components have become core policy issues, exemplified by the U.S. Geological Survey’s designation of lithium as a critical material, and the Department of Energy’s National Blueprint for Lithium Batteries. This has made lithium and other battery minerals a commodity with national security implications.

China currently dominates the global EV and EV supply-chain market

A 2023 report by Bloomberg highlighted that through its long-term investing in established battery markets and influence in emerging markets in South America and Africa, China could control a third of the world’s lithium by 2025. Beijing’s shadow has loomed ominously over major economies shifting to battery-heavy technology


The fact that in recent days, we have seen:

1. Hertz announce they are dumping their EV fleet (over 20,000 vehicles) at a loss
2. Ford announced plans to slash production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning in April
3. The average price of a used Tesla has collapsed.
4. Just look at the loss in resale value from the rental market

Well that speaks volumes that the American public is rejecting the left's delusional green energy boondoggle
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