Anyone out there still believe Senile Biden's and the media lies about Hunter's laptop not being real

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Correct- I don't think that the laptop is 100% accurate, due to how it was produced and the hands that it went through.

OK, thanks. I am curious if anyone else on the left will chime in

Does anyone out there still believe that the laptop and contents were not real?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Correct- I don't think that the laptop is 100% accurate, due to how it was produced and the hands that it went through. I also have said, that it should be investigated and let the chips fall where they may. The fact that it came up timing wise- near the election, to me is really not consequential, as I don't think its had the impact that you think it would have/ could have. Polls have been about as accurate as weather predictions, etc. I just don't think the laptop is as important as you do, and I haven't seen the outcomes of the information thats on it. I am skeptical to say the least.

... Hmmmm... Then WHY did they LIE about it?
Joe LIED about the laptop during the debate.

#### Salty

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hmmmm... Then WHY did they LIE about it?
Joe LIED about the laptop during the debate.

#### Salty

Not only did Senile Biden lie about it, so did all the media.

Seems everyone else on the left (besides Eye) is afraid to chime in on whether they still believe that the laptop and contents were not real? Or that they now know they were fooled by the lies Senile Biden and the media spread. It is an interesting question in light of what Glenn Greenwald posited about how Democrats are so easily propagandized by the media

[Chase7]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I already answered this in the prior post on this thread. I think the fact that the laptop came from a repair shop and ultimately was given to Rudy Giuliani is what is suspect. Not that a laptop is fake, but given that Rudy has been a proven liar, and conman, and is facing bankruptcy due to those facts, I'm beyond hesitant to say that the contents of the same laptop are 100% legit. Id go even further to say, I'd say that there is likely planted material in there to make things more salacious and some that are outright false. AND- even if the laptop is 100% real, how does it tie in JOE and anything improper relating to him.

Hunter is his own worse enemy- and the Select committee seems to say regularly that they are on the cusp of having the damning evidence, but they still got zero that directly ties Joe to anything other than a car loan and house loan.- repayment.

In the land of reality if there was something on that laptop that was so incriminating, we would have heard about it. It seems to populate the airwaves of FOX, X, bitchute and OAN enough that the folks here who are "true believers", are convinced it contains that, and more- the secret location to Jimmy Hoffa, Area 51, and the secrets of the pyramids and how they were built. Or we'll just have to wait till someone on FOX news writes a book about it. What we know for certain is it won't be Corn-Pone Hillbilly boys Comer or Jordan, who likely can't craft a book script if it involves more than filling in sections of coloring book.

In the land of reality the art you are showing selling for $500,000.00, get the F out of here.
I understand that’s not Hunter's but all the same, get the F out of here bringing up reality.
Hunter is selling art to laundry money is reality.

Reality is the Biden’s and their puppet master Obama are the most corrupt politicians ever in the White House, both have tarnished the White House and Presidency forever.
They are the ones selling America’s influence and interests to China and Ukraine.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I already answered this in the prior post on this thread. I think the fact that the laptop came from a repair shop and ultimately was given to Rudy Giuliani is what is suspect. Not that a laptop is fake, but given that Rudy has been a proven liar, and conman, and is facing bankruptcy due to those facts, I'm beyond hesitant to say that the contents of the same laptop are 100% legit. Id go even further to say, I'd say that there is likely planted material in there to make things more salacious and some that are outright false. AND- even if the laptop is 100% real, how does it tie in JOE and anything improper relating to him.

Hunter is his own worse enemy- and the Select committee seems to say regularly that they are on the cusp of having the damning evidence, but they still got zero that directly ties Joe to anything other than a car loan and house loan.- repayment.

In the land of reality if there was something on that laptop that was so incriminating, we would have heard about it. It seems to populate the airwaves of FOX, X, bitchute and OAN enough that the folks here who are "true believers", are convinced it contains that, and more- the secret location to Jimmy Hoffa, Area 51, and the secrets of the pyramids and how they were built. Or we'll just have to wait till someone on FOX news writes a book about it. What we know for certain is it won't be Corn-Pone Hillbilly boys Comer or Jordan, who likely can't craft a book script if it involves more than filling in sections of coloring book.

Rudy never had the laptop. speaking of news sources where did you read Rudy ever had the actual laptop? the NY Times?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

Still waiting for Hillary's emails, and the Mexican funded wall.


Trump camp is nothing but full of hot air. It's a party of Hindenburgs waiting for the next spark to light their rage on fire

Still waiting on the "irrefutable evidence" of election fraud too. Remember that ol' chestnut? Lol.

I don't know anyone who doubts that, yes, Hunter Biden owns a laptop. And yes, he's probably guilty of a couple crimes. So, let the legal process play out and issue proper punishment. Still waiting for any kind of ties to Joe, though. Keep reaching for the stars, MAGA lol.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Rudy never had the laptop. speaking of news sources where did you read Rudy ever had the actual laptop? the NY Times?

Baloney- Mac Isaac eventually brought the laptop to the attention of the FBI, who seized it in December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury that had been investigating Hunter Biden for financial matters since 2018. BUT not till he had made copies of the laptop, looked at the contents and then forward a copy of the drive to RUDY Giuliani- and Steve Bannon.

Here's some futher details:

The hard drive data had been shared with the FBI and Republican operatives such as Trump advisor Steve Bannon before it became publicly known.[1] In December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury, the FBI seized the laptop from Mac Isaac.[1][9][10]

PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that, while "over time, there has been less doubt that the laptop did in fact belong to Hunter Biden", the laptop "was real in the sense that it exists, but it didn't prove much", as "[n]othing from the laptop has revealed illegal or unethical behavior by Joe Biden as vice president with regard to his son's tenure as a director for Burisma".[11]

Additionally;

In November 2022, CBS News published a forensic analysis it commissioned, which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from the repair shop operator. That analysis concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered, contrasting that to other copies circulated by Republican operatives, which "could have been tampered with".[3] The Washington Post reported that experts at their request had authenticated a number of emails, including one that was the subject of the New York Post reporting.[4] The drive analyzed for The Washington Post lacked a clear chain of custody, and was considered "a mess" and "a disaster" from a forensic standpoint by the two analysts.[4] It contains emails marked to and from Hunter Biden[6] and other digital files relating to him.

Two forensic analysts who independently examined the data for The Washington Post[4] authenticated 1,828 and 22,000 emails, respectively, of the almost 129,000 emails on the hard drive in 2022. Neither analyst could verify the vast majority of the data, nor could they find clear evidence of tampering but they note "key pieces of evidence useful in discovering tampering were not available."

In some cases, The Post matched content to other sources "that the experts were not able to assess". The unverifiable emails included some prominently reported previously by other news outlets. The analysis found that people other than Hunter Biden had created six new folders on the drive over a week after the original report by the New York Post and months after the laptop had been taken into FBI custody. It also found that data had been accessed and copied off the drive by people other than Hunter Biden over the course of nearly three years.[4]


from Politico:
Hunter Biden on Tuesday sued Rudy Giuliani and his longtime lawyer Robert Costello, alleging they violated federal and California-based computer fraud laws in their efforts to disseminate potentially damaging material.....

Biden, says Giuliani and Costello broke the law when they accessed data they claim came from a laptop sent to them by a computer repairman in Delaware in 2020. Biden does not concede that that claim is true. But he alleges that he is the owner of some of the electronic data obtained by the repairman, and he alleges that Giuliani and Costello’s repeated copying and accessing of that data amounts to an illegal hacking campaign that persists to this day. And that the data may be inaccurate and changed to fit a negative narrative.

Giuliani and his allies have long argued that the purported laptop was fair game because it was allegedly abandoned. But at the heart of the lawsuit is the argument that regardless of where any piece of computer hardware was located, Hunter Biden’s data still belongs to him alone. A member of his legal team, granted anonymity to discuss his newly aggressive legal strategy, put it this way: “If you take your coat to the dry cleaner and leave your wallet in it, and you forget to pick it up, it doesn’t mean the dry cleaner gets the wallet and all your money. It’s just common sense.”

Either way- the fact that Guiliani is involved with this laptop is enough for me to look past the supposed damning information; especially regarding JOE B., since even after having access to the information illegally, the Corn-Pone Hillbilly boys have not been able to link anything to JOE other than he lent money to his son to buy a truck and that his Brother paid him back 240k for a home loan.

I don't know how many more times that has to be asked and answered, but the koolaid drinkers here seem to think that obviously means that there are nefarious loans out there and that's illegal, or that HUNTER did in some way sell access or benefit from his fathers prior role.

I'm fairly certain that they cannot prove that access to Biden is a quid pro quo, since there is no proof of any favor; and I'm equally certain that every presidents family benefits from the name of their parent. You can look at the Trumps, the Kennedys, Billy Carter, Slick Willy 's brother and all the Bushes. The fact that you all are suddenly clutching your pearls and gasping is hilarious; where have you been hiding all these years??

[berryberry]

OOOPS. Sorry Eye, you (and all your fellow leftists who for years denied it) were wrong. The laptop and its contents were 100% real. Always have been.

In a new court filing, the DOJ confirms Hunter Biden’s laptop is real, that he left it at a computer store, and that the contents matched what they obtained from a search warrant of his iCloud. Don’t hold your breath for a retraction from Senile Biden (“It’s a Russian plant”), the corrupt 51 who wrote the letter or myriad dishonest media operatives. They blamed Russia when the Biden Crime Family knew it was Hunter - and so did the FBI.

Seems Glenn Greenwald was right again about how Democrats are so
easily propagandized by the media

From Jonathon Turley:

After years of suppressing the story and casting doubts over its authenticity, many in the media in the last year have belatedly and reluctantly acknowledged that the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Some of us reached that conclusion years ago due to the self-authenticating emails confirmed by third parties. However, the denials and doubts have continued, including most recently by Rep. Dan Goldman (D., N.Y.) in hearings.

The Justice Department has now again confirmed the authenticity and added details on why these denials are unsupported.

This week, the Justice Department confirmed that the laptop was authenticated through forensic examination and a search warrant on Hunter’s Apple iCloud. Hunter’s electronic devices were backed up on the Cloud and “the results of the search were largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple.”

That is only the latest such confirmation, but some have continued to desperately cast doubts the laptop, which Hunter himself said might be the product of Russian intelligence.

Once again, the last dogs in this fruitless fight are the most partisan among us.

Rep. Goldman, for example, recently lambasted witnesses who referenced the laptop and challenged the credibility of a journalist who cited the laptop.

[tommy156]

Maybe berry has me on ignore or something, but I literally just posted that nobody I know (who cares about this) denies that Hunter Biden owns a laptop. And that he's also probably guilty of a couple crimes.

So, let it play out. Why isn't that good enough for trump supporters? It also has nothing to do with Joe. So, there's that. I guess that's why they're still mad.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Maybe berry has me on ignore or something, but I literally just posted that nobody I know (who cares about this) denies that Hunter Biden owns a laptop. And that he's also probably guilty of a couple crimes.

So, let it play out. Why isn't that good enough for trump supporters? It also has nothing to do with Joe. So, there's that. I guess that's why they're still mad.

... What it has to do with Joe is the FACT that
Joe LIED about it... Told the American people that
the laptop was fake and most likely "Russian Disinfo"
- 50 -some members of US intelligence said so.

But WE KNOW that JOE KNEW the laptop and contents
were REAL.

#### Salty

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by tommy156

So, let it play out. Why isn't that good enough for trump supporters? It also has nothing to do with Joe.

If it hasn't "played out" yet, how can you say it "has nothing to do with Joe"?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Rudy never had the laptop. speaking of news sources where did you read Rudy ever had the actual laptop? the NY Times?

uhhh ... you do realize that everything you posted confirms Rudy never had the actual laptop???


and on top of that ... you verified the laptop has been confirmed as belonging to Hunter?

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Baloney- Mac Isaac eventually brought the laptop to the attention of the FBI, who seized it in December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury that had been investigating Hunter Biden for financial matters since 2018. BUT not till he had made copies of the laptop, looked at the contents and then forward a copy of the drive to RUDY Giuliani- and Steve Bannon.

Here's some futher details:

The hard drive data had been shared with the FBI and Republican operatives such as Trump advisor Steve Bannon before it became publicly known.[1] In December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury, the FBI seized the laptop from Mac Isaac.[1][9][10]

PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that, while "over time, there has been less doubt that the laptop did in fact belong to Hunter Biden", the laptop "was real in the sense that it exists, but it didn't prove much", as "[n]othing from the laptop has revealed illegal or unethical behavior by Joe Biden as vice president with regard to his son's tenure as a director for Burisma".[11]

Additionally;

In November 2022, CBS News published a forensic analysis it commissioned, which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from the repair shop operator. That analysis concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered, contrasting that to other copies circulated by Republican operatives, which "could have been tampered with".[3] The Washington Post reported that experts at their request had authenticated a number of emails, including one that was the subject of the New York Post reporting.[4] The drive analyzed for The Washington Post lacked a clear chain of custody, and was considered "a mess" and "a disaster" from a forensic standpoint by the two analysts.[4] It contains emails marked to and from Hunter Biden[6] and other digital files relating to him.

Two forensic analysts who independently examined the data for The Washington Post[4] authenticated 1,828 and 22,000 emails, respectively, of the almost 129,000 emails on the hard drive in 2022. Neither analyst could verify the vast majority of the data, nor could they find clear evidence of tampering but they note "key pieces of evidence useful in discovering tampering were not available."

In some cases, The Post matched content to other sources "that the experts were not able to assess". The unverifiable emails included some prominently reported previously by other news outlets. The analysis found that people other than Hunter Biden had created six new folders on the drive over a week after the original report by the New York Post and months after the laptop had been taken into FBI custody. It also found that data had been accessed and copied off the drive by people other than Hunter Biden over the course of nearly three years.[4]


from Politico:
Hunter Biden on Tuesday sued Rudy Giuliani and his longtime lawyer Robert Costello, alleging they violated federal and California-based computer fraud laws in their efforts to disseminate potentially damaging material.....

Biden, says Giuliani and Costello broke the law when they accessed data they claim came from a laptop sent to them by a computer repairman in Delaware in 2020. Biden does not concede that that claim is true. But he alleges that he is the owner of some of the electronic data obtained by the repairman, and he alleges that Giuliani and Costello’s repeated copying and accessing of that data amounts to an illegal hacking campaign that persists to this day. And that the data may be inaccurate and changed to fit a negative narrative.

Giuliani and his allies have long argued that the purported laptop was fair game because it was allegedly abandoned. But at the heart of the lawsuit is the argument that regardless of where any piece of computer hardware was located, Hunter Biden’s data still belongs to him alone. A member of his legal team, granted anonymity to discuss his newly aggressive legal strategy, put it this way: “If you take your coat to the dry cleaner and leave your wallet in it, and you forget to pick it up, it doesn’t mean the dry cleaner gets the wallet and all your money. It’s just common sense.”

Either way- the fact that Guiliani is involved with this laptop is enough for me to look past the supposed damning information; especially regarding JOE B., since even after having access to the information illegally, the Corn-Pone Hillbilly boys have not been able to link anything to JOE other than he lent money to his son to buy a truck and that his Brother paid him back 240k for a home loan.

I don't know how many more times that has to be asked and answered, but the koolaid drinkers here seem to think that obviously means that there are nefarious loans out there and that's illegal, or that HUNTER did in some way sell access or benefit from his fathers prior role.

I'm fairly certain that they cannot prove that access to Biden is a quid pro quo, since there is no proof of any favor; and I'm equally certain that every presidents family benefits from the name of their parent. You can look at the Trumps, the Kennedys, Billy Carter, Slick Willy 's brother and all the Bushes. The fact that you all are suddenly clutching your pearls and gasping is hilarious; where have you been hiding all these years??

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by lustylad

If it hasn't "played out" yet, how can you say it "has nothing to do with Joe"?

Well, no connection has been made as of yet. It has nothing to do with Joe, so far.

But let's say he did lie about the existence of the laptop. 1) who cares? and 2) where's the crime? Maybe he was confused by the question?

He's either senile or he's a criminal mastermind. He can't be both to suit a narrative. If I had to guess, I'd say he's neither.

[eyecu2]

Rudy was given a copy by Steve Bannon. It's how it circulated to several newspapers and how the GOP has illegally leverages it's contents without the owners permission. TWK, what is so hard about understanding Rudy's involvement??

True he may not have had the actual physical laptop, but he had a copy of the hard drive which is about the same thing. Further the drive he has doesn't like up with the original...so foul play is all over this thing.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Well, no connection has been made as of yet. It has nothing to do with Joe, so far.

But let's say he did lie about the existence of the laptop. 1) who cares? and 2) where's the crime? Maybe he was confused by the question?

He's either senile or he's a criminal mastermind. He can't be both to suit a narrative. If I had to guess, I'd say he's neither.

oh yes there has. emails from the laptop confirming Joe Biden's involvement have been verified by several people involved including Devon Archer and Tony Bobulinski several of Hunter's former business partners.


you do recall that Archer has confirmed Biden's name was used to get investments yes? he did. of course he did his duty to the Biden's by couching him testimony to Congress that they were "only selling the illusion of influence" so they were merely "conning" their investors. brilliant!


here's some "linkage" to Corn Pop Biden ...


https://oversight.house.gov/release/...ript%EF%BF%BC/


Comer Releases Devon Archer’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

WASHINGTON—House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) today released the transcript from Devon Archer’s transcribed interview. During the transcribed interview, Devon Archer confirmed then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand” that his son sold around the world to enrich the Biden family. Then-Vice President Biden joined Hunter Biden and his business associates for dinners or by phone over 20 times to sell “the brand” and send a signal about their power, access, and influence. Below are key exchanges from the transcript. The full transcript can be found here, and documents discussed during the transcribed interview can be found here.


Then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand” used to send “signals” of power, access, and influence.

Majority Counsel: You keep saying “the brand,” but by “brand” you mean the Biden family, correct?

Mr. Archer: Correct.

Majority Counsel: And that brand is what, in your opinion, was the majority of what the value that was delivered from Hunter Biden to Burisma?

Mr. Archer: I didn’t say majority, but I wouldn’t speculate on percentages. But I do think that that was an element of it.


Rep. Andy Biggs: When you say “Biden family” ‑‑ sorry to cut in here. I just want to get a clarification. You aren’t talking about Dr. Jill or anybody else. You’re talking about Joe Biden. Is that fair to say?


Mr. Archer: Yeah, that’s fair to say. Listen, I think it’s ‑‑ I don’t think about it as, you know, Joe directly, but it’s fair. That’s fair to say. Obviously, that brought the most value to the brand.


***
Majority Counsel: That Hunter Biden was adding value. His value that he was adding was, in part, as you said, his family.

Mr. Archer: Uh‑huh.

Majority Counsel: And so what is your basis for knowing that?

Mr. Archer: My basis for knowing that? Well, I think there was ‑‑ there are particular, you know, objectives that Burisma was trying to accomplish. And a lot of it’s about opening doors, you know, globally in D.C. And I think that, you know, that was the, you know ‑‑ and then obviously having those doors opened, you know, sent the right signals, you know, for Burisma to, you know, carry on its business and be successful.


how's that for linkage? you can click on the link to Archer's CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY at yer leisure ,,,'


Originally Posted by eyecu2
n November 2022, CBS News published a forensic analysis it commissioned, which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from the repair shop operator. That analysis concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered, contrasting that to other copies circulated by Republican operatives, which "could have been tampered with".[3]


sorry eye, the FBI disagrees


Copy of what's believed to be Hunter Biden's laptop data turned over by repair shop to FBI showed no tampering, analysis says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-...data-analysis/



FBI knew all about Joe and Hunter’s business dealings, laptop authenticity — and did nothing: files

https://nypost.com/2023/10/06/fbi-kn...nothing-files/