Trump will win the 2024 election and he is not doing it on his own!

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Cody69

I would rather pay the higher taxes for poverty people than give it to the rich (Remember 1.7 Trillion tax break).

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

[rmg_35]

Originally Posted by berryberry

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

Still waiting for the first time. All we get it radical right-wing extremist bullshit.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

If Trump only listened to the people who knew more about pandemics than he did, and issued country wide stay at home, then Trump would have had at least 200k or more followers come election season. But he didn't, and they died, and if they didn't die, they lost their jobs.


But yea, on every other point, spot on. You can't be a Trump supporter without also embracing ignorance and lies.

Well said. Go ahead and support trump, but realize that you're embracing lies, first and foremost, and all the other horrible shit that comes with having a foundation of lies.

[eyecu2]

There is likely another whole thread on "why I wouldn't vote for TruMP", and it would a list of the 3600 lies he spread from day 1, till ..well they have never stopped. But one of the biggest ones is this.

Your 401k will be so much lower than it is when I was in office- yet the stock market is at an all time high- and the lies about energy independence, the dismantling of the education system, the USPS, and farmers getting shafted....all due to an egomaniacs decision to arbitrarily add tariffs or hire ppl who didn't know shit about the roles they were in. Kudlow, Voss, DeJoy, Carson...and then the fucking lazy suzan of personnel who came and left under Trump etc. Even MacEnany was slammed by Trump at times, and so were all the ppl on his military advisors....and don't get me started on the whole nepotism of his idiot family and kids. I mean, who hires Ivanka, who literally only sold shoes and hand bags into a role in the administration where she had ZERO add, except to keep daddy from flying off an Adderall laden rail of rantings about witch hunts and more.

How about how disrespectful Trump was to reporters doing their jobs, and wouldn't even face them in what are some of the normal interactions of the Whitehouse correspondants dinner?! I mean the guy totally shit on one side, and then calls them fake news..gee wonder if you'll get a fair shake slim shady??? There were ppl who tried to get into CNN tower, and the insane followers who drove around in vans' with fake news on the side, while they prepared to do harm to reporters and immigrants??? Sickos!!

I prefer the new normal that is happening now where it's not the apprentice show every night on Fox and the other moronic echo chambers.

I'm just exhausted by that whole family and would prefer that they were voted off the island; I'm with Nikki- we need a new generational leader- The old ones are fucked up.

[Cody69]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

In Trump's defense (and I'll crucify myself for this), 10% unemployment wasn't entirely Trump's fault. Nobody could had predicted covid, however Trump's own rhetoric and what he fed his worshipers directly contributed to the 200k American deaths and the high unemployment.


I don't blame him entirely, however his policies could have softened the blow if they... you know, kind of acknowledged that there was a deadly global pandemic going around.



If Trump only listened to the people who knew more about pandemics than he did, and issued country wide stay at home, then Trump would have had at least 200k or more followers come election season. But he didn't, and they died, and if they didn't die, they lost their jobs.


But yea, on every other point, spot on. You can't be a Trump supporter without also embracing ignorance and lies.

In Trump's defense (and I'll crucify myself for this), 10% unemployment wasn't entirely Trump's fault. Nobody could had predicted covid, however Trump's own rhetoric and what he fed his worshipers directly contributed to the 200k American deaths and the high unemployment.

I blame Trump entirely for COVID only because I am going off of the Republican RULEBOOK/PLAYBOOK. Our MAGA'S on here are blaming Biden for inflation when it is world wide. Google it, what other countries have inflation? So everyday here and on all Republican backed news channels blame Biden for Inflation.

See once you understand the rules here you can now play the game. I originally didn't know the rules. We need to get some radical Democratic news group out of there garages like the MAGA'S on here have that way we can back those claims(MEGA FACT CHECKER). I won't waste my time looking for them.

Stock market broke records two weeks ago, do you remember our MEGA'S answer to it and Trumps answer to it, it is because Trump is doing so well in the Poles. LOL. What a crock of Shit.

Biden has 3.5% unemployment, MEGA'S answer because all of those people are off of unemployment that is why they are not counted now, only when Trump is in office does that rule apply.

MEGA RULES, Not mine.

[Cody69]

Originally Posted by berryberry

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

Just once Berry, Just once. 1.7 trillion tax break soon as he was in office. If you find differently, find another news source.

Even stupid Nikki Haley said that this week. Listen to her, maybe she don't lie as much as Trump. Jury is still out with her.

[El-mo]

Trump is going to win, but not for the reasons being mentioned. Biden one for one reason: he was the Democratic candidate people thought the other guy would vote for. He was very few peoples first choice, but he won the nomination because people voted for the guy they thought other people would come out and support in the general election.

Since he’s been in office, he has failed to do anything meaningfully left of center. From an effective policy standpoint, this might as well be another trump administration. Biden inspires very little confidence, and even less love. To anyone who politics are truly left of center, there is no reason to come out and vote for Biden if we’re going to get the same policy from either guy.

Trump, for his part, will actually attempt to make changes for the worse, but he will not be as effective as his ambitions. Things will become marginally more fascist under Trump, but that’s where this country is headed anyway.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by berryberry

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

Originally Posted by Cody69

Just once Berry, Just once. 1.7 trillion tax break soon as he was in office. If you find differently, find another news source.

Even stupid Nikki Haley said that this week. Listen to her, maybe she don't lie as much as Trump. Jury is still out with her.

If you are referring to the 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA), the evidence points to it being a huge success. I'm pretty sure "stupid Nikki Haley" agrees. You must have misunderstood whatever you heard her say.

Here's a thread I started over in the national Political Forum almost 2 years ago. It has nearly 50k views. I recently bumped the thread to mention a new study by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) that concluded the 2017 TCJA was highly effective in stimulating private investment, capital inflows and job growth without resulting in a significant net loss of federal tax revenues. If you think otherwise, feel free to add your comments:

https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2844405

[Cody69]

https://www.americanprogress.org/art...s-big-winners/



On December 22, 2017, President Donald Trump signed into law the so-called Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), a $1.9 trillion tax bill favoring corporations and wealthy Americans. At its heart is a large cut in the corporate tax rate. “Corporations are literally going wild over this,” Trump said upon signing the bill. He predicted that the corporate tax cut would cause a boom in business investment and that factories are “not going to be abandoned any longer.” His White House, meanwhile, estimated that the corporate tax cuts would trickle down to workers in the form of a $4,000 annual raise.




This one Lusty. I was wrong it was 1.9 Trillion Dollar tax break. Nikki didn't like it either. I mean she wouldn't say anything bad of Trump cause she knows when she looses he will appoint her of a good job again.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cody69

I would rather pay the higher taxes for poverty people than give it to the rich (Remember 1.7 Trillion tax break). I seen a lot of them at Dallas Pike a couple of weeks ago traveling...

You really got me scratching my head on this one. Are you talking about Dallas Pike, WV? Isn't that a truck stop? Did you run into Bill Gates and Warren Buffett filling up their 18-wheeler?

Who knew??

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Cody69

How many times do people here have to prove you wrong on this false statement?

Just once Berry, Just once.

Thanks Lusty. he has been educated on this half a dozen times at least. Not sure why he keeps repeating false information. I guess it is like Glenn Greenwald states about Democrats believing propaganda fed to them

Here is an excerpt from The Hill:

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans’ tax reform law, with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans’ Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more.

What’s more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion of the total personal tax revenue collected.

That means that Republicans’ tax reform law resulted in the tax code becoming slightly more progressive — the exact opposite of what Democrats have claimed over the past four years.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...mericans-most/

[Cody69]

Good People, Mexicans, poverty, traveling, Dallas Pike WV, Good, Tax cut, Middle Class, Not Good, Rich, Fantastic, ship jobs overseas, Trump, Bad!

Hope this helps.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cody69

I blame Trump entirely for COVID only because I am going off of (sic) the Republican RULEBOOK/PLAYBOOK. Our MAGA'S on here are blaming Biden for inflation when it is world wide. Google it, what other countries have inflation?

First of all, you can't justify one ludicrous claim by pointing to what you consider to be another ludicrous claim. That makes no sense.

If anyone should be blamed "entirely" for the Covid disaster, it's China. If your argument is that Trump is responsible for some US covid deaths because he didn't act like a dictator and shut everything down, then how do you explain the fact that twice as many Americans have died of covid under Biden (800k+) than under Trump (roughly 400k) - despite the rollout of (Trump-accelerated) vaccines and Biden's more aggressive shut-down mandates?

As far as inflation is concerned, nobody blames Biden ENTIRELY for its flare-up. But only an idiot would argue that his reckless spending and other misguided policies had NOTHING to do with it. I already slapped down tommy twice for making such a silly claim. Perhaps you missed it:

https://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=28

Originally Posted by Cody69

Biden has 3.5% unemployment, MEGA'S (sic) answer because all of those people are off of (sic) unemployment that is why they are not counted now, only when Trump is in office does that rule apply.

I think you misunderstand the argument, which is the same no matter who is in the Oval Office. The headline unemployment rate doesn't tell the whole story. If a lot of people have dropped out of the labor force for whatever reason (covid, early retirement, tired of searching for a job, etc.) then the official rate (U-3) arguably understates the true level of joblessness. For this reason, the Dept. of Labor each month also publishes unemployment rates using alternative definitions (U-4 to U-6) that include such omissions:

https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

[Cody69]

Originally Posted by lustylad

First of all, you can't justify one ludicrous claim by pointing to what you consider to be another ludicrous claim. That makes no sense.

If anyone should be blamed "entirely" for the Covid disaster, it's China. If your argument is that Trump is responsible for some US covid deaths because he didn't act like a dictator and shut everything down, then how do you explain the fact that twice as many Americans have died of covid under Biden (800k+) than under Trump (roughly 400k) - despite the rollout of (Trump-accelerated) vaccines and Biden's more aggressive shut-down mandates?

As far as inflation is concerned, nobody blames Biden ENTIRELY for its flare-up. But only an idiot would argue that his reckless spending and other misguided policies had NOTHING to do with it. I already slapped down tommy twice for making such a silly claim. Perhaps you missed it:

https://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=28




I think you misunderstand the argument, which is the same no matter who is in the Oval Office. The headline unemployment rate doesn't tell the whole story. If a lot of people have dropped out of the labor force for whatever reason (covid, early retirement, tired of searching for a job, etc.) then the official rate (U-3) arguably understates the true level of joblessness. For this reason, the Dept. of Labor each month also publishes unemployment rates using alternative definitions (U-4 to U-6) that include such omissions:

https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

I think you misunderstand the argument, which is the same no matter who is in the Oval Office. The headline unemployment rate doesn't tell the whole story. If a lot of people have dropped out of the labor force for whatever reason (covid, early retirement, tired of searching for a job, etc.) then the official rate (U-3) arguably understates the true level of joblessness. For this reason, the Dept. of Labor each month also publishes unemployment rates using alternative definitions (U-4 to U-6) that include such omissions:

So make sure I understand of what you are saying, I totally agree with the accuracy of the report, what the topic in question is, is it different between the same report when Biden's in office compared to when Trump was in office with the same type of report. Same as stock market records. Trump this past month said that the reason the stock market broke records again is because everyone knows he is leading the polls. Mean time this week was the first primary results.

Again rules/playbook, I just want the same rules so we can play far for both parties.

As far as inflation is concerned, nobody blames Biden ENTIRELY for its flare-up. But only an idiot would argue that his reckless spending and other misguided policies had NOTHING to do with it. I already slapped down tommy twice for making such a silly claim. Perhaps you missed it

I hope you are in no way referring to me as an IDIOT because I am just bringing up topic's which are different in opinions on here. Different rules for different parties. I would never disrespect you or anyone else on here when they are bringing up points of differences. If you or anyone want to use those references to Biden or Trump, I agree. And that would also be ok if we were together and you was calling me that to my face where things could go entirely different. That disrespectful word should not be allowed on here.

Again high inflation is in most countries not just the USA. No matter how much money is wasted. Both parties have done a good job on wasting in two different directions, some give to people that don't want to work, another party gives to the rich. Do I agree with what the wasteful spending is spent for, no way in hell. They could cut the budget in half as far as I am concerned

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Cody69

Salt, its not whining, its facts. Republicans live in a dream world. Of all people, You know that. We read you guys posts everyday. You make it that Trump was a hero. Seriously what has he done? All the facts that you and your friends produce is from far right extremeist. Go Figure. Back those facts up. Comedy for sure.

You don't remember the 200,000 people dyeing because Trump said it was a hoax? You don't remember the killings for the lost election? You don't remember 10% unemployment? You don't remember that constant chaos everyday that Trump caused? You don't remember everyday at 5 o'clock him being on TV saying how great he was and no other president done what he done before? You don't remember the people in there cars begging for food from the food banks near the Stadium? You don't remember how the people who actually do the work for everybody in our country that there wages were frozen to poverty wages? $7.25 an hour think about that one time. Yes he is for the USA only, right. What a joke.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth, one minute you told me the other day the 2020 election Donald John Trump was way down in the polls, from previous comments you said from the other side, Biden had stolen the election. I understand why you are republican now.

Why do we have Biden? Because of the piece of shit we had that he ran against. We may have that same piece again, with any luck we will. Scary, best of the two evils.

Go Joe!!

... Now, now there, mate... What I should have done - when you
mentioned that Trump was gonna WIN and then some whining
(or your "truth") from you - Was LAUGH in your face!

But I surely thought that we could have a reasonable
discussion of things without me doing that.

... Uh, you must NOT be aware of a few things.
Trump wasn't calling Co-Vid a hoax - He was calling the
REACTION to it a hoax... For example - a lab leak from
a Chinese lab - but of course Dr. Fauci DIDN'T WANT
anybody calling it that... Told the world that
they "weren't sure" of the origin... And The Dems
and the news media surely criticized Trump for
calling it the Chinese Virus...

The 10% unemployment was the Dems - and Dr. Rachel Levine
CLOSING UP businesses and restaurants during Co-Vid.
Did you forget about that??

... What didja say? ... I talk from both ends of me mouth??
Maybe you should go back and look - what I said was
that Trump NEVER LED Biden in any of the 2020 polls
before the election. ... I never said Trump was "way down"...

If you're gonna soak me - at least get what I said correct.

.... Reckon you weren't looking to have a reasonable
discussion after all.

#### Salty