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Old 09-09-2021, 07:55 PM   #16
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Tiny - the debate is not about a 'vaccine' or 'pandemic' - that is long past

Fiden criminal cabal institutes mandates utilizing teh excuse of a pandemic - in order to set teh precedent for further unilateral mandates to impose marxist tyranny in perpetuity on America.

Wuhan virus is just a tool for advancement of their marxist totalitarian DPST agenda.



Do not be fooled by the rabbit holes marxist DPSTs try to divert you to follow and fall into.


Australia is the model they follow
https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/austra...-of-the-world/
Australia’s insane COVID rules are a warning to the rest of the Free World

By Rich Lowry

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The 18th-century English philosopher Jeremy Bentham came up with the idea of the panopticon, a prison designed to allow all the prisoners to be observed by one guard.
What even Bentham couldn’t conceive of, despite his creative musings about schemes of perpetual surveillance, was a society like contemporary Australia.
Once an honorable member of the Free World, Australia has lurched into a bizarre and disturbing netherworld of bureaucratic oppression in the name of public health. Australia’s lockdown mania has been so all-consuming that one assumes much of it would make Anthony Fauci blanch.
At the start of the pandemic, Australia determined to squeeze out COVID with lockdowns and travel restrictions and, as an island nation, had considerable success. It was the last of the G-20 countries to hit 1,000 total deaths.
But this created an unrealistic expectation that Australia could have COVID-zero as a goal for the duration and use targeted restrictions and surveillance (“circuit-breakers”) to maintain it.
As the pandemic has dragged on, this has become completely untenable and done violence to liberty and common sense in a great English-speaking nation.
Melbourne, the city that was once Australia’s worst COVID-19 hotspot, has announced a seven-day lockdown, its fourth since the pandemic began.AP Photo/Asanka Brendon Ratnayake, File Lockdowns have cut a swath through the norms and conventions of an advanced Western democracy, from the suspension of a state-level parliament, to the banning of protests, to military enforcement of the COVID rules.
With the Delta surge, more than half of Australians are locked down, often in response to a tiny number of cases.
A sign is posted in the window of a closed cafe in Sydney, Australia, on September 7, 2021.REUTERS/Loren Elliott Australian authorities don’t fool around. State premiers have vast powers, and use them. In Melbourne, located in the state of Victoria, a curfew is in place, and limits apply to people leaving their homes. There are hefty fines for non-compliance.
The spirit of the lockdowns was perfectly captured a few months ago by the chief health officer of the state of New South Wales, who warned, “Whilst it is in human nature to engage in conversation with others, to be friendly, unfortunately this is not the time to do that.”
Ah yes, the public health threat of over-chattiness.
The Australian news media might as well be an arm of the public health bureaucracy. It produces stilted and hysterical reports about lockdown violators worthy of some dystopian future.
A woman crosses a normally busy street in Sydney, Australia.AP Photo/Rick Rycroft The state of South Australia has developed an app to enforce home quarantines. As a news report explains, “The app will contact people at random asking them to provide proof of their location within 15 minutes.” If they fail to do so, the health department will notify the police, who will send officers to check on the malefactor.
Unrestricted travel is a hallmark of a free society, but Australians can barely leave the country. Travel has been cut off between states, creating an arbitrary patchwork of states trying to isolate themselves from COVID cases elsewhere.
Tens of thousands of Australians have been trapped overseas, unable to come back home because of monthly limits on how many people can return.
All of this economic and social disruption and coercion hasn’t been enough to stamp out the Delta variant, which is outrunning the government controls. Federal premier Scott Morrison finally admitted the obvious the other day: “This is not a sustainable way to live in this country.”
Shops are closed and shoppers absent at a mall in Sydney on Aug. 13, 2021, as greater Sydney continues a weeks-long COVID-19 lockdown.AP Photo/Rick Rycroft Australia initially fumbled its vaccination effort, which should have been a focus all along. But now the country hopes jabbing 80 percent of the population can get it out of the lockdown box of its own making.
COVID is a serious illness, and no country has gotten everything right. Australia has proved, though, that dispensing with key elements of advanced liberal society in the hopes of total victory over the virus is foolhardy and wrong.
Australia isn’t going to become a dictatorship, but this period in its national life stands as a warning for how easily core freedoms can erode in even a well-established democracy.
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No one is being forced to be vaccineated. If you don’t like what your employer mandates work someplace else. That’s the beauty of America. If you really wanna avoid the vaccine work for a small business with less than 100 employees.

If you’re an employer with 100 employees or more you don’t need to be the vector for spreading the disease.

If people are stupid enough to believe crazy shit about the vaccine like it’ll make them grow a 3rd eye or some other dumb shit, maybe them quitting or being fired is a boon to their employer. Let’s not empower stupid people to be stupid.
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Your beloved leader is forcing businesses to mandate vaccines.
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No one is being forced to be vaccineated. If you don’t like what your employer mandates work someplace else. That’s the beauty of America. If you really wanna avoid the vaccine work for a small business with less than 100 employees.

If you’re an employer with 100 employees or more you don’t need to be the vector for spreading the disease.

If people are stupid enough to believe crazy shit about the vaccine like it’ll make them grow a 3rd eye or some other dumb shit, maybe them quitting or being fired is a boon to their employer. Let’s not empower stupid people to be stupid.
But but but, if you’re vaccinated you’re protected!!!!!!!!
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No one is being forced to be vaccineated. If you don’t like what your employer mandates work someplace else. That’s the beauty of America. If you really wanna avoid the vaccine work for a small business with less than 100 employees.

If you’re an employer with 100 employees or more you don’t need to be the vector for spreading the disease.

If people are stupid enough to believe crazy shit about the vaccine like it’ll make them grow a 3rd eye or some other dumb shit, maybe them quitting or being fired is a boon to their employer. Let’s not empower stupid people to be stupid.
I am as conservative as the come. I think Biden is an old, senile, stupid piece of shit.

But I have had Covid and have taken both shots. And I will take a booster.

To me, it is common sense.
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blackman wants "stupid people" to lose their jobs and be stripped of their rights.

Is he a fascist?
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blackman wants "stupid people" to lose their jobs and be stripped of their rights.

Is he a fascist?
Yes, and so much more!!!!!!!
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Was actually going to get the vaccine this week. But be Goddam, the more they force it on me the more I just want to say fuck you.

President Biden’s announcement is a stunning violation of personal freedom and abuse of the federal government’s power. This plan isn’t about public health – this is about government control and taking away personal liberties. --Governor Pete Ricketts, Nebraska

President Biden is taking dangerous and unprecedented steps to insert the federal government even further into our lives while dismissing the ability of Iowans and Americans to make health care decisions for themselves --Governor Kim Reynolds, Iowa

“I have been consistent in the freedom of businesses to require their employees to be vaccinated, and I have opposed the government from saying businesses cannot exercise that freedom,” Hutchinson said in a statement. “The same principle should protect the private sector from government overreach that requires them to vaccinate all employees.”--Asa Hutchinson, Arkansas
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The only reason the ChiChom retard gets away with this is because people like Roy and Blackman are praising it. They want vaccine passes, more lockdowns and police beating the shit out of anyone who disobeys.
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Where is the U S Sonovia, other than your precocious imagination?
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I am totally opposed to any vaccine mandate or the federal government continuing to pay for it, i.e. me. Let the tumptards die, the sooner the better.
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Your beloved leader doesn't think that way. He wants to follow China's rule.
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Biden was elected president and is the Commander In Chief. So I can see your point about federal employees.

It's the private sector that's problematic. There are people, some on this board, who think the vaccine is going may kill them if they get it.

Some people refuse life-saving medical care on religious grounds or because they're dumb asses, and we don't force it on them. The case for forced vaccination arguably is weaker, because (a) COVID doesn't kill a large % of people infected and (b) it's now looking like the vaccines, while very effective in preventing hospitalization and death, are only partially effective in preventing contagious disease, and (c) natural infection appears to confer stronger immunity than the vaccines. I know a lot of cases of COVID are asymptomatic, but if the ant-vaxxers would just isolate themselves when they first get a sore throat or whatever, maybe they don't prevent a huge threat to those of us who are vaccinated and judicious in our behavior, the aged and infirm excepted. Now admittedly you're going to save saves with vaccine mandates no matter how you look at it. But is it worth it?
Unfortunately.
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This isn't about saving lives. It seems more about winning an argument, control or being an asshole. Most Biden supporters on this website wouldn't give two shits if all unvaccinated people were lined up and shot by a firing squad.

It's a "win" for them because it physically hurts their political opponents, the "trumptards," even though I don't think there is any evidence that says the unvaccinated are majority Trump supporters. I think that's the main reason why they support it. Just brain washed morons.

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