No charges for Ashli Babbitt’s killer

[Little Monster]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Capitol Building was closed on January 6, 2021, just as any building can be closed. If you attempt to enter any establishment that is closed you are breaking the law.

The U.S. Capitol is secured 24 hours a day by U.S. Capitol Police. Only authorized people with appropriate identification are allowed access inside the U.S. Capitol. Restrictions around the U.S. Capitol include permanent and temporary security barriers and posts manned by U.S. CapitolPolice. On January 6, 2021, permanent and temporary security barriers were in place to separate areas where lawful first amendment activity could be conducted from areas restricted both to prevent any adverse impact on the legislative process and to safeguard and prevent and property damage directed at the U.S. Capitol and West Front Inaugural Platform.


Babbitt broke the law and sufferred the unfortunate consequences.

Well said. Unfortunately you're trying to speak logic to conservatives, that is like trying to teach a fish how to walk.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Little Monster

She wasn't a protester, she was a criminal trying to kill certain politicians just because she couldn't handle the fact that her hero got his ass beat.

Bigly

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Little Monster

Well said. Unfortunately you're trying to speak logic to conservatives, that is like trying to teach a fish how to walk.

Would that pride never be given which exceeds in measure intelligence and truthfulness

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

you're being obtuse and obfuscating

a persons home has distinction in the law

are you purposely trying to miss the distinction when you think its "funny" a person can defend their home with force and then why one wonders about this shooting? as if her killing is comparable to defending your own home from a forced home invasion?

A person illegally breaking into a private home and a person illegally breaking into the Capitol building. A law was broken. Babbitt was, in your words, shot by someone defending against an invasion. She was stupid enough to enter via a broken window further making her intent unknown. I will say again that everyone who entered the Capitol that day risked being shot since they were breaking the law and their intent was unknown by those protecting the building. And I will say again the officers showed great restraint on that day.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Remember a few years ago when a black woman, a mother, pulled into the wrong gate? She was shot to death by capital police for a traffic violation. We still don't know who fired the fatal shot or why.

[reddog1951]

Correct Speedracer. Some here think she shouldn't have been shot for obvious rioting, breaking and entering, potential threat to high level elected officials...whatever felony charges you care to pile on. But the same people that come to her defense think it justified for law enforcement to kill others in recent high profile cases involving less imminent threat to the safety of others that were much more easily de-escalated. Does not compute.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Correct Speedracer. Some here think she shouldn't have been shot for obvious rioting, breaking and entering, potential threat to high level elected officials...whatever felony charges you care to pile on. But the same people that come to her defense think it justified for law enforcement to kill others in recent high profile cases involving less imminent threat to the safety of others that were much more easily de-escalated. Does not compute.

An unarmed women is a threat? Why didn’t they shoot everyone else?

[GastonGlock]

I mean hey, you play patriot games, you win patriot prizes. They're just lucky they stopped with her and didn't go full Kent State on the crowd, DC would be a warzone.

[preggolover89]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Inappropriate analogy. When you say that you're surprised more shots weren't fired, why and by whom?

I'm surprised any shots were fired by Capitol police. They weren't threatened. It was your classic peaceful protest.

lol

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

unarmed woman shot by cop

justice, which means an equal application of the law, depends on the dead's politics

npr plasters cops' faces and names involved in shootings all over their website

in this case you cant even find out the name

and the kid who took the best video of it ??, his door was broken down and he was arrested the other day along with his "electronic devices"

The kid was arrested because there's video of him shouting "we did this" and "I've got a knife" to try and open the door Babbit was trying to enter. I watched his entire 40+ minute video before it was taken down - he's a fucking moron for posting it. You can't egg on the crowd then pretend like you're a journalist. He a leftist anarchist and he deserved to be arrested (I say this as a BLM supporting liberal).

Originally Posted by bambino

An unarmed women is a threat? Why didn’t they shoot everyone else?

Did you watch the video? Not just the clip of Babbit being shot but leading up to it? Unfortuantely I can't find it anymore but I watched all 40+ minutes and it's intense. For the most part Capitol Police had no clue what the fuck was going on or what to do.

But the video is really clear - there's a bunch of chairs barricading a door with two officers in front and as we know now one or more officers behind the barricaded door.

The officers in front have no clue what's going on - the crowd literally convinces them to leave. I'm not joking - they say shit like "we're not here for you" and "you're just making it worse - just let us pass". So they literally just leave as the crowd starts to push at the door, trying to bust out the glass, etc.

Now - the officer behind the door clearly knows what's going on meaning he has a very clear sense that those people are NOT going to breach that door. I don't know if it was because the speaker was back there or what but either someone ordered him to hold the spot or he determined that was the final stand.

I didn't hear a warning but honestly I don't find it relevant - if the secret service has secured an area around Trump and I rushed it trying to break a barrier I'm going to get shot.

I am incredibly critical of the militarization of policing in the US today - what happened to Eric Garner, George Floyd, Lt. Nazario - all fucking horrifying.

But that was a legit shooting. And not because of the person's politics - I believe a number of the shootings that have been protested are legit as well (Michael Brown in Ferguson is the first one that comes to mind).

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Remember a few years ago when a black woman, a mother, pulled into the wrong gate? She was shot to death by capital police for a traffic violation. We still don't know who fired the fatal shot or why.

For a traffic violation? Whatever you say.


So you're saying they do treat blacks differently.

The black woman's name was Miriam Carey. She was shot and over 8000 white folks weren't when they broke into the capitol. One white woman was shot when hundreds of broke into the capitol,
You don't know why she was shot because you haven't looked. Try Google.
I don't know why you think these occurrences are related or relevant to each other.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...flna8c11331203
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ot/6655476002/

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Capitol Building was closed on January 6, 2021, just as any building can be closed. If you attempt to enter any establishment that is closed you are breaking the law.

The U.S. Capitol is secured 24 hours a day by U.S. Capitol Police. Only authorized people with appropriate identification are allowed access inside the U.S. Capitol. Restrictions around the U.S. Capitol include permanent and temporary security barriers and posts manned by U.S. CapitolPolice. On January 6, 2021, permanent and temporary security barriers were in place to separate areas where lawful first amendment activity could be conducted from areas restricted both to prevent any adverse impact on the legislative process and to safeguard and prevent and property damage directed at the U.S. Capitol and West Front Inaugural Platform.


Babbitt broke the law and sufferred the unfortunate consequences.

Wow. Trespassing is punishable by firing squad now. There’s gonna be lots of dead bodies lying around in Foot Locker next time BLM decides to freak out.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Little Monster

She wasn't a protester, she was a criminal trying to kill certain politicians just because she couldn't handle the fact that her hero got his ass beat.

She was unarmed. You prove she was going to kill someone. Go ahead, try it.

[reddog1951]

"She was unarmed. You prove she was going to kill someone. Go ahead, try it."

George Floyd was unarmed as well and as best I can tell not trying to kill anyone, nor participating in mob violence directed against a bastion of democracy. Nor was Duante Wright.

Bunch of hippocrites here, justifying actions on their favored side. Sorry, but the first person to illegally enter the capital that day should have been shot dead on the spot....and may have been if secret service was involved. She just drew the short straw. Actions by all who entered are inexcusable, an affront to democracy, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Oh Please, If someone tried to break into my house I'd probably shoot them too. I'm very surprised that more shots weren't fired.

Yeah but nobody lives at the Capital. It's also open to the public.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

"She was unarmed. You prove she was going to kill someone. Go ahead, try it."

George Floyd was unarmed as well and as best I can tell not trying to kill anyone, nor participating in mob violence directed against a bastion of democracy. Nor was Duante Wright.

Bunch of hippocrites here, justifying actions on their favored side. Sorry, but the first person to illegally enter the capital that day should have been shot dead on the spot....and may have been if secret service was involved. She just drew the short straw. Actions by all who entered are inexcusable, an affront to democracy, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Floyd was a criminal. Babbit was a veteran. Floyd resisted arrest, Babbit was shot without warning. Are you really trying to make an argument here? From past posts, you’re not very good at it.