The reality of the Recounts

[1blackman1]

Trump lost. Such a great day for the US. We just made America great again.

[WTF]

Grace
I may be wrong but I think you are just voicing the possibility of recounts...not the probability of it actually changing the overall result.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Trump lost. Such a great day for the US. We just made America great again.

Only for russia china ukraine iran and the un!

Their contributions helped the biden family crime syndicate!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Only for russia china ukraine iran and the un!

Their contributions helped the biden family crime syndicate!

Russia
China
Ukraine
United Nations

(Who's left? Oh yeah, the Turd Reich!)

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Dont matter if they recount! Its basically the same people that counted the first time! If they come up short again they will just "find" more biden votes!

#1, aka This) Well... a Recount is typically performed by the same people. However, this time may include additional security, given reports of poll watchers being denied access, PA comes to mind. So good chance that those could be escorted by US Marshals to ensure all poll watchers are allowed to watch the recount.

#2, aka That) An audit is another prospect all together. That is performed by an entirely different cast of characters.

#3a, Bonus materials) https://www.cisa.gov/election-security was put into play in Trumps first year for what seems to be valid reasons. Recall the Demonicrats claimed vote fraud and foreign interference for the last 4 years. Hopefully, it was staffed by non-swamp critters and intelligent people that could walk, chew gum and read at the same time.

#3b, more Bonus materials) Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. has been in the news for years. You can actually find articles in web searches and even Wikipedia detailing known security risks, weakness and past problems.

So will #1 happen? Depends on the States and whether Trump ponies up the $$ for a recount and then the courts.

When you add up #3a and #3b, you have potential for #2 to occur as well. IMO - when #2 hits the fan, there may well be a great big surprise in newly opened eyes.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Arizona--


Unless something drastically changes-- there will be no recount. Arizona requires the margin to be within .1 (that's point one) percent in order for there to be a recount and does not allow requested recounts, only the automatic ones.



Georgia--


There will absolutely be a recount here. Its within the margin for a mandatory recount and honestly I'd feel better about things if there was a recount. That's a mighty slim margin-- the slimmest of all the states.


Michigan--


The margin is nowhere near what is needed to trigger a recount. Under their law, Trump is more than welcome to request one with the courts-- but is going to need compelling evidence of malfeasance in order to get it. Thus far-- none of the Trump teams legal actions include accusations of fraud (which-- makes me think their evidence may not be that great and they don't want to risk the potential of a perjury issue on their parts).



Nevada--


There "could" be a recount here-- as Nevada allows for it for any reason. But, I doubt there will be. Its a slim number of EC votes-- and the margin Biden won by is very similar to Clinton's margin in 2016. The Trump team would be better served to focus on the bigger cloisters of votes.


North Carolina--


Nope. Margin isn't there. Plus, its still in Trump's favor and despite all his claims that NC was fraudulent-- he's been very silent since Biden never captured the lead there.


Pennsylvania--


There won't be an automatic recount here. There may be a requested recount here-- but it requires the electors getting involved as they are the ones that must request it. This state is going to be somewhat interesting as there was already a few pending orders here. However-- with 20 EC votes... Trump will still have to clear one of the other states on the list.



Wisconsin--


There will be an automatic recount here based on their mandatory recount rules. However-- with about 20k votes separating the candidates-- it isn't likely to matter.





Overall-- his best odds are with trying to peel off Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Wisconsin-- with PA and GA being far easier than Wisconsin-- and he'll need all 3 to go in his favor. PA would pull Biden back to 270, GA isn't currently being counted so as of this moment, no impact.

The Trump children can watch all the recounts. The result will be the same Biden wins.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by WTF

Grace
I may be wrong but I think you are just voicing the possibility of recounts...not the probability of it actually changing the overall result.

Correct-- I'm just bringing up the various laws that would affect the use of recounts and where recounts could be the most (and least) beneficial. Arizona is the only state that is 100% off the table unless Trump manages to pull within .1%. Everyone else is still technically on the table, with some being more valuable than others.


ETA-- this also does not address any potential legal remedies outside of actual recounts-- but I'd like to remind the class that Bush V. Gore was decided by SCOTUS to STOP further recounts, not continue them.

[winn dixie]

Every count in Florida favored Bush! Plus the duffle bags of military votes that were delayed [conveniently] by a lib would have given Bush a larger win! There was NO cheating here by the Republicans!
Unlike this week where an election was stolen!

[Grace Preston]

Biggest difference between the Court of Opinion and an actual court is the need for actual evidence. People really shouldn't ignore the fact that all of the lawsuits dropped so far have made ZERO mention of fraud.



Its important to note that the vast majority, if not all, of the recounts will favor Biden. There is enough of a gap to where a recount isn't likely to change anything on its face. The only thing that can change that is if mail in ballots manage to get tossed-- but as long as the rules followed the state laws, that isn't very likely, either. Also-- its important to note that at least in Arizona... the mail in ballots are helping rather than hurting the Trump campaign. It also doesn't help that there are some glaring statistical anomalies outside of the states in question that nobody from the Trump camp seems to want to bring up... seeing as Trump won those states

[royamcr]

It's more a court of bullshit and lies vs an actual court of truth and evidence. Which of course they never can produce.

Ok so dead people voted, when, and how many? 20000? Not likely. Most likely a few cases where a person died between voting and Nov 3rd. A friend of mine died Oct 30th, a trump supporter, he had probably already voted since early voting is popular in KS this year. Does his vote count? With an extra 1000+ people dying every day because of Covid, this could happen a lot more than usual. When does their votes not count?

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Biggest difference between the Court of Opinion and an actual court is the need for actual evidence. People really shouldn't ignore the fact that all of the lawsuits dropped so far have made ZERO mention of fraud.



Its important to note that the vast majority, if not all, of the recounts will favor Biden. There is enough of a gap to where a recount isn't likely to change anything on its face. The only thing that can change that is if mail in ballots manage to get tossed-- but as long as the rules followed the state laws, that isn't very likely, either. Also-- its important to note that at least in Arizona... the mail in ballots are helping rather than hurting the Trump campaign. It also doesn't help that there are some glaring statistical anomalies outside of the states in question that nobody from the Trump camp seems to want to bring up... seeing as Trump won those states

[the_real_Barleycorn]

If you're so confident why do you make excuses? You should look forward to any and all recounts. That would include disqualifying illegal ballots from women 170 years old and so on.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

If you're so confident why do you make excuses? You should look forward to any and all recounts. That would include disqualifying illegal ballots from women 170 years old and so on.

I do look forward to any and all recounts. My original post had no bias and no slant. Nothing other than discussion regarding the different requirements for the recount in all of the states in question-- and I believe I even made mention of where the most "bang for the buck" may be found for the Trump campaign.



In the end, I'm confident Biden will still be the President in January. I'm also confident that there are going to be some really pissed off progressive dems in about 12 months who realized they got the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

[Lucas McCain]

This is all to do about nothing. Trump should just take his ball and get off the court and go home. For once in his life, be an adult.

I know he doesn't listen to anyone, but have some fucking pride and don't be an imbecile fighting your defeat. That's just a bad and childish look.

[1blackman1]

Should we expect anything less from him and his followers. Childish whining and complaining. I just love seeing the crushing look of defeat of his followers. They are too dumb to be embarrassed by their behavior.

[winn dixie]

A recount by the same criminals will result in the same result!
Election was stolen!
Lets move forward and revamp the entire voting system so this never happens again!
If dims are so sure of the vote count. Will it hurt to make the system way more secure and be a lot cheaper and quicker ?