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Old 07-29-2011, 09:45 PM   #16
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My insurance and everyone in my companies insurance has gone up considerably. No Question it is because of the ObamaCare...
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:59 PM   #17
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No that's Health companies that want to keep riding the wave of high profits they have been. here's whats really been happening.

Insurer: Company Profits: CEO Total Compensation: CEO 5 Year Compensation:
UnitedHealth Group $2,977,000,000 $5,030,000 –
WellPoint $2,490,700,000 $4,070,000 –
Atena $1,384,100,000 $38,860,000 $77,860,000
Humana $647,000,000 $2,390,000 $56,910,000
Cigna $292,000,000 $30,016,000 $120,510,000

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2009...oo-much-money/

http://healthreform.kff.org/timeline.aspx

sad truth... those poor health insurance companies;





As of January 1, insurance companies will have to spend at least 80 percent of the revenue they make from premiums on actual health care (as opposed to salaries or overhead or advertising or whatever). Most people probably won't be aware of this new, so-called "medical loss ratio," but it will make sure the insurance companies spend more of their money helping their customers get well.

The other big provision to take effect (and the seniors in our audience will be interested in this one) is the closing of the Medicare part D coverage gap, also known as the "donut hole." Until now, Medicare recipients whose annual prescription drug costs totaled between $2,700 and $6,154 had to pay the full amount themselves (above and below that window, medicare would pay 75 and 95 percent, respectively). As of January 1, seniors who reach the donut hole get a 50 percent discount on brand-name medication.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:00 PM   #18
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Ah bullshit... keeping on kissing Obama's ass......... that motherfucker is terrible. Hillary would have did a much better job than this asshole......


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Old 07-29-2011, 10:02 PM   #19
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yes, McCain and dumbshit would have fixed everything by now.

be real though. health insurance companies profits make oil profits look like chump change. And they fucking love unemployment. unemployment by even ONE FUCKING DAY... means they can pull the pre-existing condition card on people who really need the help.

they rake it in, and are now bucking a little and pressuring companies, lobbiests, everyone. imo.. go Obama, fuck them bastadges.

all so much crying milk after all those steak and lobster dinners bought in washington to get their shit passed.

example: I just switched jobs, wife is on liver transplant list. new insurance wanted to claim pre-existing condition card which is basically a death sentence, but I paid my 1800 month cobra payments for 2 months during their 60 day job to new job insurance kick in. Its all a game they play, with our lives... for their bottom fucking line.

yes I agree Obamacare should ahve just been a measure to expand existing medicare because I think everyone DESERVES health care in the USA for fuck sake. but Corporate Healthcare America has been more than willing to let people die on purpose for a long long time. cry me a fucking river that they have to actually spend a larger share on physicians and not dividends.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:39 PM   #20
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My insurance and everyone in my companies insurance has gone up considerably. No Question it is because of the ObamaCare...
Yep, no question at all, makes pefect sense. Legislation that wont be enacted for another two and a half years is the reason your rates went up. The world needs more critical thinkers like you.

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Old 07-29-2011, 10:40 PM   #21
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Fuck Obama

I would have voted a woman over his ass in a heartbeat....


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Old 07-29-2011, 10:42 PM   #22
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Fuck Obama
Huh!?!?! Did you just get verified provider status?
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:42 PM   #23
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Palin Palin Palin.... yea, good luck with that.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:48 PM   #24
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Ah bullshit... keeping on kissing Obama's ass......... that motherfucker is terrible. Hillary would have did a much better job than this asshole......

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Gotta give him just a little credit, he's just a big compromising pussy, but he's by far the best Republican president we've had in many years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/op...rssnyt&emc=rss

Hillary's balls are definitely bigger though...like a menapausal Margaret Thatcher.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:00 PM   #25
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Palin Palin Palin.... yea, good luck with that.
We don't call her Palin anymore. She's officially been dubbed, "Queen of the Hobbits"!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...hners_deb.html
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:02 PM   #26
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Well said Kimberly, and Saul that has jack shit to do with obamacare and 100% to do with corporate accountant america.

I used to work for HP, 300k employees so you might think the group benefits should be pretty good, you would think. coverage went from 90% to 80% and copays went up and up. Obamacares fault? nope, accountants fault because they would rather risk me leaving and increase savings and profits.

same time they are posting billions in profits but my bonus shrinks, my yearly increase on hold, while executives get paid millions and Mark hurd jumped out with his golden parachute.

Now i am a contractor, with a small national company. and hmmm my benefits are better at 90% coverage and smaller copays.

Obama has zero nada zilch to do with runaway corporate america that are like chinese acrobats jumping through the loopholes of the tax system while the rest of us file our 1040's and .. thankfully squirrel away enough cash to bang hot chicks HERE.
Funny how I've had the same insurance for 33 years through the labor union (UA/AFL-CIO) that I worked for and retired from and coverage never dropped until insurance had to absorb the cost of added provisions involved through Obama care. I doubt greedy corporate America was at fault since they weren't involved in the equation.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:19 PM   #27
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Funny how I've had the same insurance for 33 years through the labor union (UA/AFL-CIO) that I worked for and retired from and coverage never dropped until insurance had to absorb the cost of added provisions involved through Obama care. I doubt greedy corporate America was at fault since they weren't involved in the equation.
If you think it was obamacare, then you need to ask more questions, because your deluded. You do realize that labor union is part of a corporation right? you need to read more, then take a deep breath, re-read it.. then post. Obamacare is the least of your worries my friend.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:23 PM   #28
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Care to perhaps explain what exactly does one thing have to do with the other? Most of the provisions won't even go in to affect until 2014 and health insurers are currently enjoying record profits. There's no rational reason they should be raising the cost of your plan. CBO did an analysis as to costs of healthcare under PPACA:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc...0-Premiums.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/bu.../14health.html

You can thank your greedy insurance provider for the increases. It has absolutely nothing to do with the PPACA, at least not yet.
My insurance is non profit so coverage is probably a true reflection of cost outlays. Some provisions are already in effect. .

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/provis...ult/index.html

How can anyone think that adding additional obligations will be cost neutral. It is certain that coverage will continue to decrease for those who pay as insurance entities absorb more government mandated costs for those who don't.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:25 PM   #29
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If you think it was obamacare, then you need to ask more questions, because your deluded. You do realize that labor union is part of a corporation right? you need to read more, then take a deep breath, re-read it.. then post. Obamacare is the least of your worries my friend.
You are a fucking Moron, this labor union is not part of any corporation.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:28 PM   #30
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It is pointless to argue with the Obama ass kissers. Your differing opinion will never be enough.....

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