P411 safe?

[Guest021812-3]

Originally Posted by makmak

Do not trust any verification method or service. Once they have your data, including name, employment etc., it is out of your hands forever. Data breaches occur on a regular basis, and the fact that the computer servers/storage are outside the U. S. have no bearing on data breaches. Given your situation with Government contracts and Professional Licenses, you should not give your personal and professional information to anyone. Yes, anyone.

PM a few providers, or post in the "Requests and ISOs" forum.

In the OP's situation, I agree with this. I'm a member of p411 and have never had any issues. Then again, I'm self employed and don't have to worry about it too much.

Like anything else in this hobby, everything is a risk. Always assume the worst could happen, and if you can't live with the consequences, don't do it.

[fletch]

never used P411 and never had a problem. do some research you will find newbie friendly providers on here and you'll be fine. screening sometimes takes longer but like i said i have never had a problem.

i don't care how discrete it is, i don't want the info out there, period.

however i do agree with bizz - assume the worst could happen and be sure you can handle the consequences or don't do it. - that's sound advice...

[Lauren Lane]

I had a gentleman last year who kept requesting to see me. He was fairly new, he had seen 2 other girls. One girl I had never heard of and the other girl only advertised on BP. I let him know that those girls were not girls I would accept without some other verifications. He emailed several times and gave me his name, employment etc. I was able to establish to my satisfaction he was safe with the backup verifications I was able to research. But, I had to STRONGLY urge him to sign with P411 after we met because his last name was unusual and I was able to pull up his full name, county deed records, FB page which was not locked down with his spouse, parents etc. While his information was safe with me and I deleted everything and do not even remember his name. If he would have given just his first/last name to someone not quite so discrete with personal information, he could have opened himself up for a world of hurt. He signed up for P411 rather quickly after that.

[soccer guy]

Originally Posted by Lauren Lane

I have had a client before who had an extremely unusual name and he told me that once he explained the situation he was allowed to have a name that was either his middle name or a variation of his first name. Ask Gina or any of the other ladies with preferred I am sure they will answer this.

This is really good to know for us Mediterranean men with the uncommon first names. Thanks.

[yaddayadda]

I have used P411 for many years and they are well worth the cost. I also work on Government jobs sometimes and hold a high clearance. No problems. Over the last ten years I have had just one problem with one of the P411 providers (minor issue with rate) and the problem was resolved the same DAY!

[Abraham]

Lauren, the information is probably still on your computer even if you did delete it. It takes many overwrites to eliminate data on a hard drive.

I am on P411 and love it. That being said it has been, LE has P411 accounts. Be careful.

[cowboyesfan]

Originally Posted by Abraham

That being said it has been, LE has P411 accounts.

You know that for a fact?

[Lauren Lane]

No longer have that computer and had it professionally scrubbed before it went to its demise.

[sweet.treat69]

im having problems with p411. it seems like the ONLY way to get verified if you're a provider is to take pictures of your license next to your face with the name, address, etc all visible. i dont know about u guys, but i have major issues with sending ANYONE (whether it be an escort verification site, a client, a business, etc) my personal info. problem is, even if i wanted to send them a pic of me and my license.... i CANT. all my id's (license, ss card, green card.. everything) got stolen and now i am id-less. i asked p411 if theres anything else i can do.. i told them i would, in fact, send them my license number and ss # and perhaps they could verify me that way... of course they said no and now i cant get access to p411. this sucks!

[GinaXXX]

That being said it has been, LE has P411 accounts. Be careful.

I always find it very interesting when people claim to him inside knowledge about P411, that I know nothing about. If YOU know that LE has P411 accounts, why is it that I don't know about it???

it seems like the ONLY way to get verified if you're a provider is to take pictures of your license next to your face with the name, address, etc all visible.

That is how we verify that you are not underage, it has nothing to do with your "verification". We clearly state that you can block out everything on your id out, besides your photo and date of birth. We don't care who you are, we just aren't going to take any chances with having underage girls on P411.

No exceptions, sorry.

The kind words of support in this thread are also noted, and appreciated.

Sincerely,
Gina

[sweet.treat69]

ok thats cool and all, and im not complaining or b*tching. i just figured a lot of guys from eccie are members on p411 and it would be a good resource for networking and verification. i wasnt looking to be verified on this thread, and yeah, i know there are no exceptions, i already e-mailed someone from p411 but thanks.

[BarebackLover]

With so many great girls that do not require strict reference checks, why risk the situation where you "could lose my job and professional licensure if anything got out..."?

While many people yell "screen screen screen", the fact is that most girls do not screen nor require P411. Most ladies won't check your references. Many ladies I've talked to say they hate when other girls call checking references on guys.


Also, while P411 may have the best intentions, all it takes is for one lost or stolen computer for your info to get leaked out. Are any computers 100% secure? If they're hooked up to the internet, they are not. I'm not just picking on P411 here - look at all the alerts from major companies with IT security departments that have warned that their personal information got out.

I will tell you one thing that is 100% true - only the information you put out there yourself can be compromised. Don't tell anyone who your employer is, and short of following you home and then to work the next day, nobody will ever know who you work for.

Choose one of the many ladies that don't require these strict reference checks. Checks are just marketing hype to keep the reference check companies in business.

[Lana Warren]

Originally Posted by BarebackLover

While many people yell "screen screen screen", the fact is that most girls do not screen nor require P411. Most ladies won't check your references. Many ladies I've talked to say they hate when other girls call checking references on guys.

Sweetheart, I don't know who you have been talking to, but MOST ladies do check references! And if they don't, you're the one who is a dumbass!

[makmak]

Originally Posted by BarebackLover

With so many great girls that do not require strict reference checks, why risk the situation where you "could lose my job and professional licensure if anything got out..."?

While many people yell "screen screen screen", the fact is that most girls do not screen nor require P411. Most ladies won't check your references. Many ladies I've talked to say they hate when other girls call checking references on guys.


Also, while P411 may have the best intentions, all it takes is for one lost or stolen computer for your info to get leaked out. Are any computers 100% secure? If they're hooked up to the internet, they are not. I'm not just picking on P411 here - look at all the alerts from major companies with IT security departments that have warned that their personal information got out.

I will tell you one thing that is 100% true - only the information you put out there yourself can be compromised. Don't tell anyone who your employer is, and short of following you home and then to work the next day, nobody will ever know who you work for.

Choose one of the many ladies that don't require these strict reference checks. Checks are just marketing hype to keep the reference check companies in business.

You make some great points. If Providers checked for postings on ECCIE, they can discern the high risk clients from the good clients merely by reading the postings, and analyzing content and style. I believe most (not all) Providers check the postings, and then make a judgment. Providers can also request a meeting at a Coffee Shop to feel more comfortable with a client.

As for data breaches, most people do not have a clue about the ease of hacking into so called "secure" server and storage environments.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/10...So-Far-175567/

[Guest071613-2]

Originally Posted by BarebackLover

Many ladies I've talked to say they hate when other girls call checking references.

Choose one of the many ladies that don't require these strict reference checks. Checks are just marketing hype to keep the reference check companies in business.

I don't give a flying fuck if they like it or not, I'm checking references. There are plenty of guys who prefer to be screened and they tend to be a bit higher up on the evolutionary scale than those who don't.

Originally Posted by makmak

You make some great points. If Providers checked for postings on ECCIE, they can discern the high risk clients from the good clients merely by reading the postings, and analyzing content and style. I believe most (not all) Providers check the postings, and then make a judgment.

Screening based on analyzing posting style. Now that's a great way to stay safe! Because certainly someone who is nice in their posts won't rip us off or give us any problems. You can totally tell who is going to be a stage 5 clinger just by posts...who needs to check references?! Besides, I have an endless amount of time to sit at the computer and read every post a potential client has made. Then I can meet him for coffee just to see if he's legit. What a great idea! Almost as genius as screening based on the number of reviews!

I love when guys like you are all "in the know" on how to conduct business and give advice on what's best for us. Really just hilarious.

Maybe makmak and barebacklover can combine their wisdom and give us some marketing tips and strategies as well as price point advice. I'm sure they both just have the ladies best interest in mind. I'm on the edge of my seat!