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[LynnT]

Originally Posted by Doove

I fail to see how any of the scenarios you describe are indicative of someone getting screwed over by the government. If you or your friends meet the criteria required to get help, you'll get help. While failing to qualify may suck and be unfortunate, i don't see it qualifying as "getting screwed". I will give you credit though, most anti-government types complain about social program eligibility not being strict enough. It sounds as if your complaint is that it's too strict. If it's too strict, it likely means we don't pay enough in taxes. Seems you have a bit of a conundrum.

Most of the time why I couldnt get help is because there wasnt any more money, the budget ran out.. so I starved and went with no power even though I paid taxes for the program I applied for. Or they offer you a loan.. how will that help? Create another bill for you when you cant even pay for the current ones.. also with interest so they get money from you Again but they couldn't return the favor? If you cant pay it they go after you with more fees.. Kick a person while they are down why dont you.

They shouldn't just keep raising taxes, they need to learn how to manage it.

Edit- And holy moly pick apart my posts like its debate club or like I have something against you.. I just said my opinion, sheesh is a hooker board, not a debate or class, etc. Nobodys perfect.

[offshoredrilling]

Sorry I have no link, it happened in the Adirondacks. In a area where there is no news. Hell they do not even have cell service as of yet. I had a cabin on the private road. I still have contact with the woman that I sold it to. And a friend in Rochester that still has a cabin there. Most have not hooked to the power lines. As some of the cabins got sold some have hooked in.

In a near by village if you want to use a modem you need to pick up first to let operator know what you are doing. There is no cable or even DSL. TV is satellite only. They use to get TV with a large antenna's. But now with analog gone, they can not receive digital. I even have a hard time receiving TV where I live near Rochester now. No big loss. MMMMM was watching ch 21.3. Now the TV has "No Signal".

Anyways power company said some US agency says that there must be power lines here so you can hook to it. All tried to stop it, and voted no. Power company was forced to put the lines up. And it was years before any one did hookup(most still not). It was back in the 80's. But it was on my mind at the time. As someone called to ask if I could take a vacation or go there for a weekend.

If you want I can look for more current waste of are money by are government. I'm sure its not hard. Let me call my friend on SSI with his free cell phone he did not want. I know he can tell me of some of the waste to post.

Ah I just thought of one. Iraq and Afghanistan. Are military use to and not all that long ago did many things with military personnel. Now they contract many things to others. Many making very big bucks on contract learned what they are doing in the military. With there company that they work for making profit. I wish we could bring back the draft so are military could do less contracting. And yes my party is to blame for most of that contracting thing. But who is to blame for the kids to dumb to draft. NY has very costly schools. We spend more than many states and as country I sure we are still on the high end of cost. With poor outcome. As yes I believe with many parents and the schools together. We have way to many kids way to dumb to daft. With the help of laws that make it so one can not control or teach kids.

errr that may have been two more current!! sorry

mmmm but the answer is always to put more water faster in the barrel full of holes. mmm thanks roscoe14850

edit: side note: Rochester City Schools is in the lead of cost for each kid in school in the state. And in the lead for poor outcome. So good parents run to the suburbs. And many in the city government therefor still want metro for Monroe cty. MMMMMM that would mean that some of the ones that where part of the fast ferry. Would have there hand in it. With no village, town or county government to get in there way. With one big county metro school system. oh ya bring that on. NOT

And gee where do kids to dumb to get in the military do. As also way to dumb to get a job. false welfare and SSI claims, jail and prison. What a waste. But they did learn to pull the strings of beading hearts for a free ride. But the girls pump out more kids with different baby daddy's. As the daddy's hit the street to sell what we can not talk about. As you hear them tell ya "YOU OWE ME".

[SweetElizabeth]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

My money could do better if I gave it to a non-profit, the gov't has proven they are piss-poor at managing money.

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

I have no problem with social programs as long as they help those who truly deserve. Forget the fish, give them a fishing rod.

It is fact that many not-for-profit agencies already work closely with government agencies to foster self sufficiency in communities. Government positions (from tax dollars) provide liaison positions that enable such to happen.


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RE The government's wastes:
As I see it, the government is not ONLY "Big Brother", but also a Big Brother.

Take for example who protects us:
What shall we do, fire the Guard, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines?

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I think the topic posted was great and informative.

A simple fact about Adult Clubs is that each is operated and handled differently. I can see how the court came up with the decision. Obviously there was a club fee per dance. That means profit from the business. If the dancers were the only ones to have received the money for lap dances, then the entire tax obligation would be theirs.

Perhaps the ruling will encourage clubs to initiate or raise booking fees. (A dancer pays the club each night scheduled to work.) And possibly, that might attract "socially responsible" dancers.

Of course, it could also encourage dancers that are not socially responsible to continue in not paying their dues.

Perhaps with raised or instituted booking fees, allowances may be allocated for safety and better working conditions for dancers!

On the informative thread, Ray Howard!

[roscoe14850]

Liz, you missed the point of both sections you quoted. I advocate better MANAGEMENT of funds, and proper ALLOCATION, not elimination of critical services ( I support our troops and have sent many letters & care packages). As for gov't and nfp's working together- YES! Get more funds to these agencies, they tend to do a better job of using these funds where needed than the gov't will ever do!

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by SweetElizabeth

It is fact that many not-for-profit agencies already work closely with government agencies to foster self sufficiency in communities. Government positions (from tax dollars) provide liaison positions that enable such to happen.
True, however more are just in it to suck off the government tit.


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I think the topic posted was great and informative.

A simple fact about Adult Clubs is that each is operated and handled differently. I can see how the court came up with the decision. Obviously there was a club fee per dance. That means profit from the business. If the dancers were the only ones to have received the money for lap dances, then the entire tax obligation would be theirs.

Perhaps the ruling will encourage clubs to initiate or raise booking fees. (A dancer pays the club each night scheduled to work.) And possibly, that might attract "socially responsible" dancers.

Of course, it could also encourage dancers that are not socially responsible to continue in not paying their dues.

Perhaps with raised or instituted booking fees, allowances may be allocated for safety and better working conditions for dancers!

On the informative thread, Ray Howard!

And many clubs the dancers/strippers have to pay the club for the right to work there. So they get to keep the dollars they got on stage. But for the lap dance the club get a cut. Even if they have to pay to work. And many have a door fee. note: not all clubs

[SweetElizabeth]

Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Liz, you missed the point of both sections you quoted. I advocate better MANAGEMENT of funds, and proper ALLOCATION, not elimination of critical services ( I support our troops and have sent many letters & care packages). As for gov't and nfp's working together- YES! Get more funds to these agencies, they tend to do a better job of using these funds where needed than the gov't will ever do!

I see where you might be coming from, however you did write "if they aren't going to fix it, eliminate it."

To me, some things cannot be "fixed", and that would not call for elimination.

Take for example blowjobs!!

Yes, I said blowjobs..


Some gals just can't do it. One could instruct and encourage until blue in the face, but come right down to it, some gals can't..... So, do we eliminate blowjobs?

Obviously not.



My thought processes are more in alignment with Doove's.

[roscoe14850]

Well I'm not gonna argue with you about bj's...on that front I support the "practice makes perfect" theory!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by LynnT

Most of the time why I couldnt get help is because there wasnt any more money, the budget ran out.. so I starved and went with no power even though I paid taxes for the program I applied for.

It sounds as if you're referring to the federal heating assistance program for those of us up north, or HEAP. The funds for this program are not limitless and are handed out on a first come/first served basis beginning in the middle of November, continuing until funds run out, typically in April or May. So if you were denied because there wasn't any more money, you unfortunately applied too late in the year. While i can empathize with you, it's a bit frustrating having a discussion with someone who's complaining that taxes are too high while also complaining there aren't enough federal funds to provide her assistance when she needs it.

Or they offer you a loan.. how will that help? Create another bill for you when you cant even pay for the current ones..

In simplest terms, the loans you refer to are designed to offer assistance during the time period when grants aren't available - usually from May to November, when the aforementioned assistance program again kicks in. And it's not designed to "create another bill". Don't lose sight of the fact that it eliminates the bill you pay off with the loan - using your Mastercard to pay your Visa card, so to speak.

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Sorry I have no link, it happened in the Adirondacks. In a area where there is no news.

Anyways power company said some US agency says that there must be power lines here so you can hook to it. All tried to stop it, and voted no. Power company was forced to put the lines up.

Ok, fair 'nuff. I will add, however, that i'm sure there are circumstances not being mentioned that help explain why that is. In other words, i would have doubts that it's simply a matter of the Government putting down an iron fist and demanding something get done....just because.

If you want I can look for more current waste of are money by are government. I'm sure its not hard. Let me call my friend on SSI with his free cell phone he did not want.

Low income people have been getting subsidies to pay for land-line use for decades for emergencies, among other things. Ever try looking for a job without having a phone? That whole "teach a man to fish" thing. Given the prevalence of cell phones in this day and age, it only seems to make sense. Is there going to be abuse? Of course. And if you, Roscoe, Lynn, Rush and Hannity can figure out how to eliminate the abuse while still allowing for the deserving people to get assistance, then i'm all ears.

[LynnT]

It sounds as if you're referring to the federal heating assistance program for those of us up north, or HEAP. The funds for this program are not limitless and are handed out on a first come/first served basis beginning in the middle of November, continuing until funds run out, typically in April or May. So if you were denied because there wasn't any more money, you unfortunately applied too late in the year. While i can empathize with you, it's a bit frustrating having a discussion with someone who's complaining that taxes are too high while also complaining there aren't enough federal funds to provide her assistance when she needs it.

Not raise taxes, better money management. They cant manage so raise taxes to make up for their mistakes? Come on now who doesn't know that the government has wasted funds and continues to keep us in a hole financially.

In simplest terms, the loans you refer to are designed to offer assistance during the time period when grants aren't available - usually from May to November, when the aforementioned assistance program again kicks in. And it's not designed to "create another bill". Don't lose sight of the fact that it eliminates the bill you pay off with the loan - using your Mastercard to pay your Visa card, so to speak.

And no they dont always pay the whole thing just a percentage so you now have another bill with fees and interest. Just another way to get more money from you.. even though I put money there paying taxes in the first place. Also funds have run out by January.. only a couple of months into the season so the loan is your only hope and will struggle more paying another bill. So you get screwed 3 times.. pay taxes, get a loan with interest to the government, and then get stuck with another bill.


And again its just my opinion and experience. Didnt say it so you could dissect it like a teacher thats grading my paper or even argue about it. If you feel raising taxes and finding more things to tax to death is a good thing well thats your opinion. We can just agree to disagree.

[roscoe14850]

I'll defer to you and Obama to figure it out, it's his can of worms to deal with for this term. Although I may not agree with you, I respect you Doove, you stick to your guns. BTW, I supported Ron Paul!

[GP]

Lets give the government all of our money. They can fix everything. We do not know how to run our own lives. I like living in a liberal nanny state. Maybe we should all be prescribed Ritalin and watch CNN.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

Lets give the government all of our money. They can fix everything. We do not know how to run our own lives. I like living in a liberal nanny state. Maybe we should all be prescribed Ritalin and watch CNN.

Historically speaking, taxes are as low as they've been in decades - so your comment is nothing short of ridiculous.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Doove

Historically speaking, taxes are as low as they've been in decades

Proof?

[roscoe14850]

Originally Posted by GP

Lets give the government all of our money. They can fix everything. We do not know how to run our own lives. I like living in a liberal nanny state. Maybe we should all be prescribed Ritalin and watch CNN.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[Doove]

Here.

Relevant parts:

The post-World War II historical average is that federal revenue equals about 18 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product, the broadest measure of annual economic production. In 2000, after the longest economic expansion in U.S. history, federal revenue equaled almost 21 percent of the economy. As a result, Washington cut taxes in 2001 and 2003.

Revenue plunged to around 15 percent of the economy in 2009 and 2010 amid the deep financial crisis, and it dipped further this year, to 14.4 percent, the lowest level since 1950.

And:

The highest 20 percent of tax filers saw their total average federal effective tax rate fall from 28 percent in 2000 to 25.1 percent in 2007, according to the CBO. That’s considerably lower than the current top marginal tax rate of 35 percent, and lower than the 27.5 percent effective rate in 1979, the first year for which CBO statistics are available.

For the wealthiest 1 percent of filers, the effective tax rate fell from 33 percent in 2000 to 29.5 percent in 2007. The poorest 20 percent of filers saw their effective rate fall from 6.4 percent to 4 percent.