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Old 02-16-2017, 03:35 AM   #16
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....the perfect trifecta is great TCB and great bedroom skills delivered with genuine enthusiasm, at a rate of $250 per hour, or less.
I got spoiled over in Houston in my early days on ASPD where competition had rates at $160-$180 an hour and $200 was a lady asking for too much in many guys minds. I wrote over 500 reviews back then..... Your "trifecta" was simply the norm there.

Austin was already At $200+ and is 50% more these days for lackluster service.

When I first moved here I stayed more to the strip clubs and saw visiting ladies from San Antonio more than any Austin providers for the most part but a couple caught my attention.

I always did well in strip clubs and I got into the SB game early on and the end result was getting 4 to 5 times the return on $250 than what most guys write about here.



There has been a lot of local guys trying their luck on the SB websites which has changed it a lot but still it yields younger, fresher, less expensive pussy that the Austin Entitled Ones can offer.

It will be interesting to see the responses from the other side of the equation.... We always tend to here the repetitive "my business is fine", "I am worth my rates", "I see no reason to offer a special", etc... It is hard to take them serious though watching them pounce on every ISO and posting to SNATCH day in and day out.... The ones that talk the most are usually the most desperate IMO
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:34 AM   #17
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Believe it or not...$25-$30 off of a ladies standard rate does make a big difference as far I'm concerned. One of my favorite providers is $200 for 30 mins so honestly I don't see her as much as I'd like. If she was $175 or even $160 for that 30 mins I would be back a lot more. Like others have mentioned it is all about that trifecta. Not wasting time, being straight forward, and a great time BCD is what this game is all about as far as I'm concerned. Have a great day!
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:27 AM   #18
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I'm also a bit surprised that more ladies don't offer discounts for P411 members. We (the guys) have to pay for the service and every lady I've ever seen says it makes screening and setting up appointments so much easier. When I first started hobbying it seemed like more ladies offered $20-$50 discounts for this but it seems rarer now.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:16 AM   #19
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Market forces will prevail.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:33 AM   #20
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Wink Don't Touch the Third Rail in the Hobby: Rate Discussions

Thanks Ztonk for your insightful perspectives. I concur with your and others' perspectives that there are a number of quality guys who would be able to see our Austin providers more often if only the Austin rates were less; and that there are a number ladies who would have more clients, more appointments, and increased total overall revenue, but only if they adjusted their rates down to what the market indicates is fair price.

Some of the ladies have properly responded in that they set the rates based they think they deserve--true. And the guys will respond by only seeing the ladies they might afford, or for shorter time periods if all they have to offer is a set amount.

In market economy, the supply and demand factors in the market place will set the equilibrium price. If more hot ladies join the market, then equilibrium price will go down as they compete for a set number of clients. If more affluent gentlemen start to play more, they will bid the equilibrium price up for the ladies time. For all who have taken Econ 101, its the "invisible hand" at work. Economics will cause more ladies to leave or enter the market based on prevailing price, and guys will also enter or leave the market based on changing prices.

I believe that Ztonk has made an effort to explain what he has observed in the Austin hobby land, in an attempt to help both the ladies and gentlemen better understand what's happening here with respect to prices and business.

Yes, there are some ladies who will always command higher rates based on a number of factors such as excellent TCB, hot BCD session, beauty and body types, and most importantly excellent service with sincere IOP. I often see and repeat with a number of wonderful ladies, but they also appreciate my business and patronage with some discounts and special grandfathered rates for an old guy who enjoys repeating with them.

I fully agree with my friend TittiesNBeer:
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For me the perfect trifecta is great TCB and great bedroom skills delivered with genuine enthusiasm, at a rate of $250 per hour, or less. My regular favorites all have these qualities in common. There may be terrific ladies out there with higher rates, but with half a dozen favorites who meet my criteria, I am never tempted by high priced providers unless they advertise a special that works for my budget.
Let me further add that I will often let my long-term lady friends know I appreciate their competitive rates by scheduling longer sessions with them at $250/hr or less. That in my opinion is a WIN WIN for both the lady and me. The lady has the same overhead costs and set up time of just one appointment, but receives increased revenue from a longer appointment sessions.

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Can someone provide a few RW examples of specific ladies in Austin Eccie that are too expensive based on their age, weight, TCB and activities? Who and why?
Wow--this question is the hot, third-rail question in the hobby that everybody warns we should not touch. However, let me take a crack in responding with an example that surfaced in Austin Coed over the last few days and in which I participated with a few observations:
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1975448

This provider asked the question of whether location was the reason that things had been slow for her in Austin? Here rates were $300/hhr and $400/hr, and that could very well have been the reason slow business. She was near the Domain--no, location was not the issue. Once I saw her rates, the answer was obvious. I also didn't take a second look as I already see fabulous Austin regulars at $250/hr, why would I see a traveling lady when my Austin lady friends take excellent care of my old self.

The ensuing thread and information found in her reviews showed that while she was a nice looking lady from out of town, she didn't have that "Golden Pussy" and only had average BCD skills and some questions on TCB, most Austin guys were not taking a second look.

It would be interesting to learn if she would have had more business had she lowered her very high rates to match those of Austin?

I have heard Austin ladies say: "I just saw where a lady is asking $300/400 and I am clearly better than she is. I should raise my rates because I deserve the same or better." Not true if that lady is not getting clients.

Great discussion so far. Thanks to Ztonk for posting and thanks to the excellent provider observations so far.

I think we will all learn from this information exchange.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:03 AM   #21
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But see, choosing that girl as the example is probably not appropriate. She gave a $100 off review special, putting her rates right in the breadbasket for a young, fit lady of her age. She was complaining about it being "slow".. but still managed to generate what.. 4 reviews in 2 days in Austin? Not exactly on the edge of starvation there.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:38 AM   #22
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I think there's a time and place for paying $300, but it's
RARE. When looks,menu,skills,preparation, TCB,reviews are all consistently exceptional, then yes. No YMMV.No "bad days".EVERY session,every review, must be stellar.
It looks to me that some ladies are raising rates to $300-$350 as a starting place to haggle from.While I have successfully haggled a few times,I'd rather not.
I think it might be more financially stable to charge a firm,
no-haggle $250.
Thanks to ztonk and the ladies contributing to this thread.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:21 PM   #23
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I think what some need to consider is the information being brought out here is from a couple of guys that are not known to be cheap or demeaning to providers in any manner. The OP and some others here are guys that regularly stand up for providers around here.... I think 2 of them, Ztonk and Bugle Boy, probably GENERATE sessions for providers as a result of their actions at times.... Yet here they are with suggestions... and more money to spend...

It is a topic that most women get overly emotional about rather than open themselves to some constructive criticism. Even when the criticism is not target at them specifically.

Austin providers are losing market share to other sources for a reason. Some guys are shopping in different markets.... Some are watching porn and rubbing one out and buying other toys....

What should be taken from the lustforlauren thread is that SHE is knocking down more sessions and getting more reviews than most locals providing a discount...... She just didn't realize hoe much better she was doing than others and that for Austin.. being high volume was more of a turn off than her age and looks were a turn on.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:25 PM   #24
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I agree with Z tonk. My normal rates would be the usual 300HR/ 200 30min. But I made a choice to lower my rates, NOT THAT I AM CHEAP...I just have met some really great guys when I ran a review special and have just kept it the same. Many are grandfathered. BUT I have had the chance to experiment in the different services to provide. I didnt really get a chance to provide too much before I announced my pregnancy...it drew a certain type of crowd. I have been in austin for a year, being originally from dallas and have no complaints. I love austin and am glad that it is my hometown
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:31 PM   #25
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Ah thinck tha ladies oughta charge as much as they wants ta; $300, $400, $600 an hour or mo'. Jus' as long as they's willin' ta sell lotsa Avon, Herbalife, Amway, 'r prepaid legal services on tha side to git'em through tha slow hobby days at thar chosen premium rates.
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:34 PM   #26
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An' Ah ain't bein' sassy wif tha ladies wantin' ta charge mo'. I jus' wish mo' fellas had ta jack off as much as Ah dew. Misr'y luvs cump'ny.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:44 PM   #27
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There is a great justification for a market adjustment in Austin, and I hope one is made. I don't want anyone to feel cheap but many of us are being priced out of the hobby. I'm really not a cheapskate. But I don't have a lot of disposable income; I work in the non-profit world doing GOOD work--honorable work. It doesn't pay professional rates. I knew that going in, but 5 years ago, most providers were within grasp, now there are 2-3.

On a month without a surprise expense, I have $200 in my hobby budget. I can see a budget-friendly provider AND save some for the next month or a medium-range provider for a half-hour appointment; if I were to save for a big fish, it would take two-three months of saving, which I just won't do. I'll spend it elsewhere.

I appreciate the argument for grandfathered rates or SB arrangements, but for some of us, variety is the reason we play; seeing the same woman repeatedly is rare.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:46 PM   #28
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Well it certainly seems that there is some elite world of hobbying I'll probably never venture into. Nevertheless, the hobby is an experience where YMMV regardless of the level you find yourself at. Maybe it's just me.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:21 PM   #29
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All I can say is Mr. Ztonk is a very generous guy. If a bitch snapped at me after I tried to give her some helpful advice I would strangle her fucken ass to death with an extension cord, quicker than lightning. Then I would spend the next week and a half creampie'ing the shit out of her dead corpse right up until she started getting all stiff & shit. Then we would go on a short road trip out to the hill country where she would never be heard from again.

Ungrateful ass motherfucker's....pssshh
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