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Toyz · 09-22-2014, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Centaur

True, but I saw no indication that beautifulannie is taking it personally. She merely expressed safety/security concerns, just as Gina has her concerns. From what I know second-hand of Gina, she's usually willing to work with people to find a way to verify them. It's quite understandable that she wants to make certain that her service isn't being used by underage girls. A lot more than her business is at stake if it is. But beautifulannie is likewise entitled to her concerns. In a business such as this, the only people competent to set their own comfort levels are themselves.

Makes perfect sense. But...if Gina is approached by LE (let's consider the FEDS here as they did this to Redbook), then she is gonna roll over and say "here's her I'd, this is who she is, we are blameless".

To me it is WAY too high risk to have my ID as a matter of expressed voluntary record with a site like that.

Just one persons opinion.

Bob McV · 09-22-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Toyz

Makes perfect sense. But...if Gina is approached by LE (let's consider the FEDS here as they did this to Redbook), then she is gonna roll over and say "here's her I'd, this is who she is, we are blameless".

To me it is WAY too high risk to have my ID as a matter of expressed voluntary record with a site like that.

Just one persons opinion.

That is assuming they actually keep any info which they claim they don't. They verify and destroy according to their policy.

Also being Canadian should insolate them from the feds a bit, but not the Mounties! and much like EFN they always get their man.

Toyz · 09-22-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob McV

That is assuming they actually keep any info which they claim they don't. They verify and destroy according to their policy.

Also being Canadian should insolate them from the feds a bit, but not the Mounties! and much like EFN they always get their man.

This is an over simplification as I don't have the time or interest to research internet trade laws between Northern Wisconsin (Canada) & the U.S.

(Insert government agency of your choice). We have reason yo believe this person your are allowing to advertise an illegal activity on your site is a minor.

"Oh, we have no way to prove she is not, but she sent us proof-which we destroyed-so please just take our word".

I don't know...sound plausible to anyone else?

I have no vested interest as there is no way I ever enter into something like that.

phaedrus · 09-22-2014, 09:56 AM

I almost never see a provider that is not on p411.
Whatever it takes to get verified, I think you'll really appreciate the convenience.

phaedrus · 09-22-2014, 09:57 AM

Oops... double post

GinaXXX · 09-22-2014, 07:55 PM

We do not keep any real life info on client members. After a client account is approved any information that may have been collected is deleted and destroyed.

We do keep age verification documents on file for providers though. It's fine if a provider prefers to black out everything, other than the photo and dob.

Please remember, there is absolutely nothing illegal about being a member of P411, or any other site. Regardless, it's totally understandable if some providers are not comfortable with this. If they choose not to be listed on P411 because of it, so be it.

We're not going to take any chances, sorry.

Always,
Gina

beautifulannie · 09-22-2014, 08:25 PM

So does that mean you are going to require this for existing members?

GinaXXX · 09-22-2014, 08:28 PM

We've required identification verification on demand since the inception of the site, which was 2005. So, yes, if there is any question raised regarding your age, IF we do not already have your identification documents on file, you could be asked to submit the documents.

Always,
Gina

Jack$lit · 09-22-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GinaXXX

We've required identification verification on demand since the inception of the site, which was 2005. So, yes, if there is any question raised regarding your age, IF we do not already have your identification documents on file, you could be asked to submit the documents.

Always,
Gina

Thanks for clarifying things. I think it's nice of you to post and respond to concerns.

ztonk · 09-23-2014, 06:54 AM

The Verified Provider process on ECCIE has a similar requirement for ladies who look or claim to be 21 or under.

ztonk

Toyz · 09-23-2014, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ztonk

The Verified Provider process on ECCIE has a similar requirement for ladies who look or claim to be 21 or under.

ztonk

I see that as a calculated risk for providers. Maybe a necessary one in order to assure sufficient business. For mongers, I just dont see the risk being worth the reward at all.

But that's just me.

Bob McV · 09-23-2014, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ztonk

The Verified Provider process on ECCIE has a similar requirement for ladies who look or claim to be 21 or under.

ztonk

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Originally Posted by Toyz

I see that as a calculated risk for providers. Maybe a necessary one in order to assure sufficient business. For mongers, I just dont see the risk being worth the reward at all.

But that's just me.

I don't think ECCIE has a requirement for mongers that look or claim to be under 21 to show ID

As far as P411 I saw it as an "easy button" to getting started. The risk / reward is up to the individual. Personally I didn't see much harm in a Canadian web site having a gander at a redacted copy of my licence.

Toyz · 09-23-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob McV

I don't think ECCIE has a requirement for mongers that look or claim to be under 21 to show ID

As far as P411 I saw it as an "easy button" to getting started. The risk / reward is up to the individual. Personally I didn't see much harm in a Canadian web site having a gander at a redacted copy of my licence.

So you weren't required to provide proof of identity? Your email address is not a matter of their record? You didnt send an online payment from an account Linked to your name and identity?

You are missing the points...by a mile...

Toyz · 09-23-2014, 09:07 AM

In retrospect this is not a topic I want to debate or champion a debate on. Minds are made up on this topic and no amount of data I bring will change that. As well as this is a major sponsor of this site I see no benefit to me to take up the cause.

If you or others feel safe that your identities are completely safe because the electronic entity is in another Provence &,"Destroys"

all records and ties to you...then you should continue.

This is my last comment on this topic.

GinaXXX · 09-23-2014, 09:22 PM

Let me remind everyone that we do not do age verification on clients, nor do we keep any sort of identifying information on file for clients (other than email address).

Also, if you have two solid provider references, you need not give us any real life information at all for verification (and you are entitled to a 6 month free trial in that case!). We are only interested in making sure that you are a legitimate client, we truly don't care who you are.

With providers, we have an obligation to make sure they are of legal age.

Always,
Gina