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Old 03-21-2014, 01:57 PM   #16
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Isn't there a law about passing on a deadly disease to another person, if they know they are a carrier of the disease or virus.
Something about life in Prison.

*** Yes! It is a big time felony to knowingly have sex with HIV without disclosing it. The medical community will leave no stone unturned in finding the cause of the infection, and notifying all partners. ***
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Old 03-21-2014, 03:37 PM   #17
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It takes an obscene amount of fluids swapping via mouth to ever catch anything. A little bit of google in your life would answer all concerns you may have.
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:09 PM   #18
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If you dont (sic) (sp. don't) have a cut in your mouth that is open and bleeding or on your dick which is open and bleeding then you are fine. She cannot be infected unless she has an open wound in her mouth, saliva is also a transmission blocker......
DD we all sincerely welcome your comments from your years of experience in microbiology.

I would have to surmise when you took your first course in microbiology you did mouth cultures from swab samples and saliva smears on petri plates obtained from all the healthy students in your class - your cultures must have been the only ones in the class that did not have bacteria growth from saliva. The amazing thing, if you remember, is not the vast number of pathogenic cultures that everyone else obtained from every student's mouth (for the mouth can be a dirty place) but that everyone is not completely sick from infection. But then, you know that the body has an amazing ability to heal itself and ward off infection.

Thank you for the information that "saliva is also a transmission blocker". In all of the medical texts that I have read and the years spent in microbiology classrooms, running medical testing procedures, supervising sanitation procedures nationwide for several multibillion dollar food production companies, statistical reporting for forensic laboratories, quality control information for corporate reports tsubmitted to the FDA, USDA and EPA; I had not learned that "saliva is also a transmission blocker".

Thank you for your many years of science study that leads you to your learned conclusions. It is always a joy to correspond with learned people.

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Old 03-21-2014, 05:20 PM   #19
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It takes an obscene amount of fluids swapping via mouth to ever catch anything. A little bit of google in your life would answer all concerns you may have.

Google and gargle both seem to work wonders.

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Old 03-21-2014, 06:18 PM   #20
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DD we all sincerely welcome your comments from your years of experience in microbiology.

I would have to surmise when you took your first course in microbiology you did mouth cultures from swab samples and saliva smears on petri plates obtained from all the healthy students in your class - your cultures must have been the only ones in the class that did not have bacteria growth from saliva. The amazing thing, if you remember, is not the vast number of pathogenic cultures that everyone else obtained from every student's mouth (for the mouth can be a dirty place) but that everyone is not completely sick from infection. But then, you know that the body has an amazing ability to heal itself and ward off infection.

Thank you for the information that "saliva is also a transmission blocker". In all of the medical texts that I have read and the years spent in microbiology classrooms, running medical testing procedures, supervising sanitation procedures nationwide for several multibillion dollar food production companies, statistical reporting for forensic laboratories, quality control information for corporate reports tsubmitted to the FDA, USDA and EPA; I had not learned that "saliva is also a transmission blocker".

Thank you for your many years of science study that leads you to your learned conclusions. It is always a joy to correspond with learned people.

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Nope not years of biology, unlike you I dont think I know everything, but as I instructed the young man, I did some research, the CDC offers a lot of information, but there is a lot of other information out there. I am sure that you have learned all there is to know about this subject, I mean you were in the military. I would much rather get my information from the CDC and other sources than from you. I am sure that we can now all set back and wait for the forth comming 7 page report from you. By the way, just what didnt you learn in the military and be humble here but is there anything that you dont know.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:26 PM   #21
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STI/STD/HIV-AIDS RESOURCES

• The American Sexual Health Association is a trusted source of reliable information on sexual health and sexually transmitted diseases/infections.

http://www.ashastd.org/

• Med-Help Doctors’ Forums

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STDs/show/116

All questions will be answered by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D. or Edward W Hook, MD. both of whom not only actively treat STIs / HIV AIDS but are epidemiologists = a branch of medical science that deals with the incidence, distribution, and control of disease in a population. Therefore, both are well versed in not only CAN you acquire an STI/HIV by certain sex practices but also HOW LIKELY you are to get it, i.e., the RISK [ e.g., low, high, 1 in 50, once in a 1000 ] for this particular form of sexual activity.

H. Hunter Handsfield,MD is also the author of the Color Atlas & Synopsis of Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Third Edition, 2011. He is Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of Washington Center for AIDS and STD.

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On August 20th I was in Vegas for a bachelor party. My friend and I hired an escort to come back to our room. Both of us gave her unprotected oral sex and she gave both of us unprotected oral sex. Afterwards we had protected sex. After we were done I notice some blood on the towel we used to clean up with, unfortunately I cannot remember when the blood appeared since we used it a couple of times throughout the night. I know there is a risk for all STD's in this situation but I am absolutely freaking out! Google is not my friend in this situation! So my question is what are my risks in general, when is the earliest I can start to get tested? Thank you for any help you can offer “

A. by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D.
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your question.

This was a low risk event from the standpoint of all STDs. First, since your escort partner uses condoms, it is relatively unlikely she has any active STD. Second, oral sex is quite safe -- not entirely risk free, but with much lower rates of STD transmission than unprotected vaginal or anal sex: no measurable risk of some STDs (HIV, chlamydia, HSV-2) and low risk for others (gonorrhea, nongonococcal urethritis [NGU], HSV-1, syphilis). Third, all STDs are transmitted inefficiently -- i.e. when one partner is infected, during most exposures the infection is not transmitted. Finally, blood on the outside of a condom, on the skin, and even in the mouth does not appreciably elevate the risk.

Based on the overall low risk, I would have recommended against any need for any testing at all. But since you have started: The urine tests for gonorrhea and chlamydia are reliable any time more than 2-3 days after exposure. Syphilis and HSV blood tests require 6 and 12 weeks, respectively -- so if you really feel you need such testing despite virtual absence of risk, you'll need to repeat them at those times. But I really see no need.

I would have definitely recommended against an "early detection" HIV test, which most likely was a PCR test for HIV DNA/RNA. It's expensive and the chance of HIV in this setting was truly zero or very close to it. If you felt you needed the reassurance, having a standard HIV antibody test at 6-8 weeks, or a "duo" test (HIV antibody plus p24 antigen) at 4 weeks would be preferable. That said, a negative PCR test at this time (10-14 days after exposure) will be around 90-95% reliable. You'll still need one of the other tests in a few weeks if you need the security of a !00% reliable negative result.

In any case, stay mellow as you await results and/or the time for additional testing. If I ever found myself in such a circumstance, I would not be tested for anything and would continue unprotected sex with my wife without fear of infecting her with anything.

I hope this has helped. Best wishes-- HHH, MD”

Stick with the Med-Help Doctors Forum rather than the community forums for most accurate info.

As you can see Dr. Handsfield did indeed 'write the book' on STIs
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:47 PM   #22
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As long as my bleachy load is in there first to sanitize the place up all nice and proper, I'm ok with the whole kissing thing.

I'm a gentleman, after all.
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:12 PM   #23
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There is always some health risk in this hobby.
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:42 PM   #24
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There's a health risk when you're dating and if you're married. How do you know your wife/live in gf is being faithful to you?

There's a health risk in anything that you do in life.
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Old 03-22-2014, 02:55 PM   #25
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I agree with you babe. There is always CBJ.
Yes, agree this is true. You have to be comfortable babe, or neither of you will enjoy the experience. If you are not comfy with these things, then you should not do them.

The honest truth here is that no matter how well of a screener we are, no matter how meticulous you are in selecting a provider, we are BOTH TAKING A RISK EVERY TIME. This is an adult activity. We run risks of running into LE, not being satisfied, infections, etc. We can take measures to mitigate these risks, but we will never 100% eliminate them. Sorry I don't have something more positive to report.

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Old 03-22-2014, 09:07 PM   #26
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If you sat and though about all the possibilities all that would be left is jacking off after you washed hands and put on latex gloves.
^^^^^^^^THIS.... its not about elimination, its about risk minimization. From two aliens... it must be true.

Because... I mean if you are stepping out on your wife/GF and hobbying, I am SURE they would not say, "Oh you kissed/rubbed all over/had sex with an escort who has seen 1/2/5/10 guts that day and many more that week, SURE we can have unprotected sex baby, since you were all protected and such."

HAHAHA.... again said no woman ever (exceptions noted)

Risk minimization ... would mean you didn't ever do it. How fun is that!

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Off topic for a second but thank you Holly
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Yes, agree this is true. You have to be comfortable babe, or neither of you will enjoy the experience. If you are not comfy with these things, then you should not do them.

The honest truth here is that no matter how well of a screener we are, no matter how meticulous you are in selecting a provider, we are BOTH TAKING A RISK EVERY TIME. This is an adult activity. We run risks of running into LE, not being satisfied, infections, etc. We can take measures to mitigate these risks, but we will never 100% eliminate them. Sorry I don't have something more positive to report.

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Old 03-24-2014, 12:57 AM   #28
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There's a health risk when you're dating and if you're married. How do you know your wife/live in gf is being faithful to you?

There's a health risk in anything that you do in life.
sure there's a risk, so you want to decrease the risk as much as possible to have a (cost/risk)/benefit ratio you can enjoy

That's what OP seems to be asking about, so he can determine his ratio
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+1 I seen him and he is a very sweet man.. might just be asking so he can "play a little more safely".. and wants to protect himself.. nothing wrong with that
I dont think he is bashing anybody for what they do.. he just asked a question..
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sure there's a risk, so you want to decrease the risk as much as possible to have a (cost/risk)/benefit ratio you can enjoy

That's what OP seems to be asking about, so he can determine his ratio
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+1 I seen him and he is a very sweet man.. might just be asking so he can "play a little more safely".. and wants to protect himself.. nothing wrong with that
I dont think he is bashing anybody for what they do.. he just asked a question..
Why are people so Dang Touchy?? RELAAXXX... U might feel better

I dont think anyone was being rude to him. Everyone is just sharing information that he asked for.
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