High prices and lack of reviews

[Old-T]

It is not that they get sloppy, they just use other methods to do their research. They do not put much value on annonymous reviews and they have much greater concern about privacy. You are correct, they are generally not frivolous people.

[MaxiMilyen]

I'm not a big fan of BCD reviews, because they are subjective. One gentleman does not enjoy the same as another. I tell the gents if they want to write a review for ROS privileges, then I understand, but otherwise, I have provided in the same manner all along, and my body hasn't changed. The proof any gent needs is in the reviews that have been previously provided over time. There's no indication or reason to believe otherwise. Some gent would be happy to share, despite the good time he had, with others if I was any different than stated in all the reviews available. I know this. So, if I had changed, I'd ask for a review or state the changes that needed to be addressed, in my showcase. Maybe every lady wouldn't, and I understand that, but we are not all the same and that's where your research helps you.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by tucson

Do you realize that the day you retire that all of the reviews about you disappear? Several of the ladies I have been with that retired no longer show on ECCIE. Not even your handle appears in my reviews. I still think the number of reviews show them but the review and her name are gone.

Nothing goes away on Internet.Doesn't matter if you're retired.All levels escorts paid services..

[Prolongus]

It's more beneficial for us guys to see reviews. And more than two or three. Reading a dozen or more, a pattern may develop that isn't listed on your ads or website:
Maybe she doesn't respond in a timely matter.
Maybe her incall wasn't "all that".
Maybe the parking was bad.
Maybe she included Activities in her ad, but you didn't get them.

You ladies provide a service, and when you visit a website that offers a service or product, often there will be a 5-star review section stating the food sucked, the hotel room was better than expected, the gadget was cheaply made, etc.

I recently based my decision to see a Provider just because her pics looked great...she was hot. She didn't have any reviews but I went ahead...and it was a disaster. Never again without 3rd party info.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

It's more beneficial for us guys to see reviews. And more than two or three. Reading a dozen or more, a pattern may develop that isn't listed on your ads or website:
Maybe she doesn't respond in a timely matter.
Maybe her incall wasn't "all that".
Maybe the parking was bad.
Maybe she included Activities in her ad, but you didn't get them.

You ladies provide a service, and when you visit a website that offers a service or product, often there will be a 5-star review section stating the food sucked, the hotel room was better than expected, the gadget was cheaply made, etc.


I think we ladies understand what it is you say, but here are the issues with ROS when comparing what the ladies offer:

1. It's an intimate service the ladies provide, not dinner
2. Perception of our services can only be compared to what the gent has experienced or even prefers as opposed to every other gent out there
3. One may believe he knows everything about ALL of us, but we are not a serving of food that should be consistant across the board to everyone that enjoys a certain dish

Example: The male who provides the site teaching gents how to negotiate, and makes claims that we ALL can be negotiated with or humiliated into it if we don't, has done the gents a disservice, IMO. It turns out, All gents are not cheap asshats wishing to insinuate a lady has less worth than what she posts, and ALL ladies do NOT negotiate.

4. Clients have been known to get details incorrect or maybe even embellishe them for whatever reason, which will set another gent up for disappointment concerning certain services.



I recently based my decision to see a Provider just because her pics looked great...she was hot. She didn't have any reviews but I went ahead...and it was a disaster. Never again without 3rd party info.

The difference between newer, or not yet established ladies and reputable providers who have a history of providing stellar services over a period of time and in a consistant manner, is always something worth considering. So, yes, the gents need to understand the differences, just as the ladies need to understand the types of clients she wishes to market to and meet with.

Everything about each party should be considered when making a date, if someone wishes to have an experience that better suits their needs. ROS is fine, but there are showcases, websites, forums, etc....to be considered as well.

[PsychedelicMut]

Originally Posted by Solitaire

Yes, there is a connection.

Most of you guys who are on the boards, "hobbyists", are accustomed to "hobby culture"... writing reviews, sharing info, holding out certain expectations, etc.

But what many don't realize is there are many other subcultures that exist with paid companionship. There's a whole group/class of men who will never read or write a review, they gain a somewhat different benefit from our visits, and often add to the envelope rather than attempting to negotiate "best bang for the buck." So it's natural that many women would try to tap into this by raising donations and removing reviews.

Also, many women have experienced the negative side of hobby-culture to such a great extent that the term "hobbyist" is gaining a negative connotation for many of the ladies. Those ladies are seeking to separate themselves from both boards and reviews.

Others yet still, feel that reviews are incriminating.

Very informative and enlightening.

I haven't read this thread for some time, because I thought the subject had been beaten to death. You have piqued my interest.

I am still a newbie, so I'm somewhat uninformed. I enjoy being on ECCIE, but how do escorts and their clients find each other "off the boards"? Hanging out in hotel bars doesn't seem like the "step up" that the elitists are looking for.

[cowboy8055]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

I'm not a big fan of BCD reviews, because they are subjective. One gentleman does not enjoy the same as another.

Very true. Just because I had a great time with a particular lady doesn't mean everyone else will, and vice versa. It would benefit higher priced providers to have reviews since a lot of guys don't want to go in blind when dishing out a hefty donation. And what if a guy is very selective in who he sees. Such as a strong preference for sensual GFE's. Then he really needs the help of reviews to find what he's looking for.

[James1588]

Originally Posted by Solitaire

... Most of you guys who are on the boards, "hobbyists", are accustomed to "hobby culture"... writing reviews, sharing info, holding out certain expectations, etc.

But what many don't realize is there are many other subcultures that exist with paid companionship. There's a whole group/class of men who will never read or write a review, they gain a somewhat different benefit from our visits, and often add to the envelope rather than attempting to negotiate "best bang for the buck." So it's natural that many women would try to tap into this by raising donations and removing reviews.

Also, many women have experienced the negative side of hobby-culture to such a great extent that the term "hobbyist" is gaining a negative connotation for many of the ladies. Those ladies are seeking to separate themselves from both boards and reviews. ...

I think this is very much on point. There is indeed a "hobby culture," and it has much in common with other cultures ... of the sort found in a Petri dish. Ugly, unpleasant, and unhealthy.

One of the worst aspects of this hobby culture is that it's almost impossible to avoid getting it on your hands, just by participating in the demimonde. I'll serve as my own example. I detest the idea of reviewing a person, as if she were a commodity. But I've written reviews. I've written them when the woman (who also dislikes them, probably even more than I do) has told me that they're helpful to her business. Hobby culture. You walk down this street, and it gets on your shoes.

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by PsychedelicDog

I enjoy being on ECCIE, but how do escorts and their clients find each other "off the boards"?

Most of my dates come from Eros. I see a lot of new guys that have no clue about any of the review boards. Then some of my dates will will look at the public portion of my reviews. They aren't members of any of the boards.

[pyramider]

I thinck I need to write a review of our torrent affair ...

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by pyramider

I thinck I need to write a review of our torrent affair ...

It's been going on for many many years.

[HedonisticFool]

Reviews, reviews, reviews... What the hell was everybody doing before they had reviews to read about for a product or service? I'm 42, and I've hobbied since 1999...and before I joined this forum, called it paying prostitutes or hookers for sex. I used the local newspaper and publications, and gosh, found #'s to escort agencies in the frickin' yellow pages, when it came down to locating tricks. There were no reviews to read...every choice I made came with a risk. Like anything else, some choices good and some bad. In 2000, I found Linda & Jade in the S.A. Current, back when there use to be a Jade. Best Asian massage & HE I've ever experienced, and still see Linda till this day...literally today. Had many other pleasurable encounters with providers that are gone that I wish never lost touch with and could have the opportunity to see one last time. The point is, I didn't need the approval of others to make my decisions.

I can appreciate the need to verify and research before making a decision. Nowadays, I'm frequently reluctant to make any mid to major buying decisions without first checking the internet for the opinions of others. But unfortunately, I've found that not to be completely reliable. For example, on this forum, I've chosen providers based on their positive reviews, in particular, BBBJ skills. I'm sorry to say I've been let down by a few providers; either didn't like their technique and/or didn't heed to my direction. I'm left with a feeling of disappointment, but figure that for the concesus, the rave reviews are based more on the enthusiasm. So I personally don't completely trust the reviews. I swear, the ROS of many reviews, IMO, are bogus to begin with. Most of you guys should be writing for the Playboy and Penthouse letter stories...fucking fags.

$500 for an hour with a provider? I personally will not pay that. I can afford it, but to me, it's excessive. For those who choose to pay that, well that's their prerogative. So why do you care that they don't post reviews about their $500 experience? I have a great appreciation for this forum, but one thing I dislike, is the scrutiny and demand of the review. Needs to meet a certain criteria and content level to be worthy. FUCK THAT! It's a frikin' review, a personal opinion of the writers experience. The moderators don't want to give you your premium access points and other hobbyists bitch because the story wasn't insightful.

The way I see it, if you don't plan on seeing a provider because of the high level of her hourly rate, don't bitch because she doesn't have reviews from her clients.

[Prolongus]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

The difference between newer, or not yet established ladies and reputable providers who have a history of providing stellar services over a period of time and in a consistant manner, is always something worth considering. So, yes, the gents need to understand the differences, just as the ladies need to understand the types of clients she wishes to market to and meet with.

Everything about each party should be considered when making a date, if someone wishes to have an experience that better suits their needs. ROS is fine, but there are showcases, websites, forums, etc....to be considered as well.

Max, where does a Provider's history of stellar service come from? Her ads? Showcase? Who decides the service is stellar? A Provider that has been doing this for a number of years has the experience a new girl won't have but does that translate in to better service? Lots of clients don't see newbies for this reason: they don't have a history from others telling us what she is like. They want intel on her: posts, reviews, etc. before deciding to see her.

To me, it is the combo of your advertising and our reviews that makes me decide to see you. The two work together.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

Max, where does a Provider's history of stellar service come from? Her ads? Showcase? Who decides the service is stellar? A Provider that has been doing this for a number of years has the experience a new girl won't have but does that translate in to better service? Lots of clients don't see newbies for this reason: they don't have a history from others telling us what she is like. They want intel on her: posts, reviews, etc. before deciding to see her.

To me, it is the combo of your advertising and our reviews that makes me decide to see you. The two work together.

Sure, I agree. That one little box...do you like like me, check yes or no. LOL No need for ROS, because zero percent of the population perceives exactly the same as the rest of the population, 100% of the time. Too many factors for any individual in order for that to be untrue.

I agree also about newbies...you were awesome and brave to take one for "the team", so to speak, and it sucks when it doesn't work out, so I'm sorry that occurred. The ladies do this as well...dirty job, but someone's gotta do it, kinda thing. I'm a big chicken and rarely will see a newbie. Not really, but they are usually so skittish and have a hard time giving up any info. Kuddos to all the ladies and gents that bust hobby cherries and then provide us with the info we all need in order to make an informed decision. Ya'll rock!

A combination of different sources, is anyone's best bet in the hobby. So once again, I agree.

Have a sexy Friday, all!

[Lena Duvall]

Lots of great tips here!

Originally Posted by stephania ricci

What I find is that the gentleman that can afford $400-$500 pr hr generally do not even bother looking at reviews, but for some reason guys paying $300 pr hr really prefer having reviews - go figure lol. I do have TER reviews (I have tried to get reviews put on this site in the past from 2 different guys but for some reason in each instance they didn't go thru which is weird lol), because sometimes I get business from them but if I took down my TER profile, it would not affect my business. If you have a more open website where you are interacting with men (via comments or even a chat box), they feel very comfortable with you and get to know you better and develop more trust. Also cops are not going to have a website so there is reassurance the lady is not a cop lol.

If a lady has an extensive website like I do with videos, blog posts and even a trust guarantee, most men do not need reviews to feel comfortable. I mean this is what I have discovered when I ask my clients how they found me, they rarely say from a review.

If more ladies did videos and even blogs and twitter feeds, they could bypass reviews - which can sometimes in my opinon be a little too revealing about what is going on and most guys prefer privacy, esp the wealthier ones. Videos unlike pictures cannot be photoshopped and that is why ladies with videos get more business than ladies without. Plus in videos you can talk and they can hear your voice

The other day I was making my green smoothie and I pulled out my cell and recorded a quick video of what I was putting in it and put it on my website. It was really fun and guys love personal interaction like this and you don't really need reviews when you do this.

Any provider can pull out her cell and record a quick: "hey how are you sexy - would love to see you" and it would show how she looks and sounds and give the guy more confidence that there will be no bait and switch (really big in this industry unfortunately)

There is so much you can do in videos that you cannot do in pictures. I was even at the gym a week ago and had a guy do a quick video of me working out and put it on my twitter feed. Again it was fun, easy and guys could see me working out lol