Are Vaccinations Now Dangerous?

[whatsupagain]

Hi, this is Mike (using my other handle). Moderators, please lock this thread before my reputation and business take anymore of a beating. In fact, just strike this entirely from the record, thanks!

</good deed for the day>

[Gump42]

Well, before this thread gets locked/whacked; I'd like to post an article with an interview of Dr. Wakefield. I found it very enlightening myself. FYI - I don't have a horse in this argument. I do find Dr. Wakefield's comments very intriguing. He strikes me as an honest person, in search of the truth with only his patient's best interest at heart. I'm inclined to side with the doctor as opposed to the establishment and big pharma. Judge for yourself, but remember, doctors used to claim that smoking was good for you. Let's not forget lobotomies and shock treatments either.

http://www.thedailybell.com/1089/Dr-...rsecution.html

[GneissGuy]

Originally Posted by Eccie42

Well, before this thread gets locked/whacked; I'd like to post an article with an interview of Dr. Wakefield. I found it very enlightening myself. FYI - I don't have a horse in this argument. I do find Dr. Wakefield's comments very intriguing. He strikes me as an honest person, in search of the truth with only his patient's best interest at heart. I'm inclined to side with the doctor as opposed to the establishment and big pharma. Judge for yourself, but remember, doctors used to claim that smoking was good for you. Let's not forget lobotomies and shock treatments either.

http://www.thedailybell.com/1089/Dr-...rsecution.html

I'm sure there are legitimate doctors out there who think the increase in autism is caused by fluoridation, HFCS, global warming, pesticides, vitamin C supplements in cereal, trans fats, gasahol, cellphones, wifi, chiropractors, or UFO abductions. A few doctors advocating a theory doesn't mean much.

Note the article is still blaming mercury in vaccines despite the fact that they stopped using mercury in most childhood vaccines in the US and the autism rate is still increasing in kids who were born after the change.

By the way, vaccines COULD be the cause. Unfortunately, there are dozens or hundreds of other factors that could be the cause.

[VictoriaLyn]

Being a mother who wants only the best for my little people..I wasn't convinced either safe or not so I choose to wait until their personalities were more defined... then I got them their shots Yes they started a few months late but I had the comfort of knowing if something wasn't right due to it I would be more aware because I would notice a personality change


On another note cause I saw it mentioned........Shock treatments are just cruel and should not be allowed to be done but they are still being performed

[theaustinescorts]

Dr. Wakefield's article in Lancet was of course peer-reviewed, which doesn't make it necessarily correct, but is of a level of scholarship which is serious. The allegations resulting in his subsequent loss of acreditation may or may not have been meritorious. These matters often are without merit although the politics involved leads to a loss of acreditation.

My experience in the medical industry illustrates that there is no meaningful FDA supervision for medical manufacturers anymore. What happened at that company [Sulzer] may or may not be happening at other companies. If it is we will never know until a similar catastrophy occurs because the FDA failed to act on numerous violations there over the years just as they do pretty much everywhere. From my experience most medical companies today are corrupt and engage in dishonest practices in promoting their products, whether they be vaccines, drugs, or surgical supplies.

[Gump42]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

I'm sure there are legitimate doctors out there who think the increase in autism is caused by fluoridation, HFCS, global warming, pesticides, vitamin C supplements in cereal, trans fats, gasahol, cellphones, wifi, chiropractors, or UFO abductions. A few doctors advocating a theory doesn't mean much.

Note the article is still blaming mercury in vaccines despite the fact that they stopped using mercury in most childhood vaccines in the US and the autism rate is still increasing in kids who were born after the change.

By the way, vaccines COULD be the cause. Unfortunately, there are dozens or hundreds of other factors that could be the cause.

No, the article is not blaming mercury. Did you read the entire interview? There was only ONE mention of mercury, and it had to do with a Hep B vaccine.

"This is a study that we did in primates because vaccines are tested on primates in pre-clinical studies. What we found, even with just the Hepatitis B vaccine containing mercury preservatives, even on the first day of life, even just after that vaccine, there was evidence of neurological damage. What was alarming to me, again, is that there had never been any safety studies that I could find of giving the Hepatitis B vaccine on day-one of life. That again is not acceptable."

The main point of the interview, from my perspective, is that we don't need to combine vaccines, give multiple vaccinations in a short period of time (i.e. days, weeks) and further testing should be performed. Is that asking too much?

Something is causing a sharp rise in the percentage of autism cases. I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon and say it's due to vaccines, but we need further testing to rule them out. What was wrong with the vaccination schedule given to children in the 70's? Why must MMR be combined?

"Daily Bell: Do you believe you have been responsible for a diminution of children taking the measles vaccine?
Dr. Andrew Wakefield: No, it's very interesting in the UK, when I suggested the single vaccine instead of the MMR, those single vaccines were available and so a lot of parents generally concerned opted for the single vaccines. Children continued to be protected and parent's could choose from MMR or single vaccines. That was in February of 1998; in August of 1998, the British government withdrew the importation license for single vaccines. In other words, when the demand for single vaccines was at its peak they withdrew the option of the single vaccines.
It is "our way" or you do it no way. Now let me ask you, if your concern is for the protection of children against these diseases would you not allow parents to do it in the way of their choosing as long as they did it? Of course you would. To me that is extraordinary."

This thing could easily be put to bed with multiple, unbiased, clinical trials. So, why isn't this happening?

[AustinBusinessTraveler]

Okay, stop calling him "Dr." Wakefield now that his license to practice was permanently removed. As for his "peer-reviewed" study, doesn't his conviction on fraud charges, the loss of his license, and the retraction by the lancet and all reviewing parties tell you all you need to know?

He was a quack who was PAID by lawyers hoping to sue vaccine makers to find a link between vaccines and Autism (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...ield_was_p.php or http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm). Children are now dying of diseases that are completely preventable because this fraud.

If you believe this anti-vaccination hype you are an idiot who is putting your child and other childrens lives at risk - it's really that simple.

This is such an insult to the parents of children who genuinely have Austism.

Do you want a reason for the explosion in the "diagnosis" of Austism... check this out:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ef=online-news

[AustinBusinessTraveler]

Originally Posted by Eccie42

This thing could easily be put to bed with multiple, unbiased, clinical trials. So, why isn't this happening?

It has happened. Since the Fraud admitted his being bought off in court, the CDC, NIH, the Red Cross, John Hopkins, and several other universities have completed studies. How many show any link between vaccines and Autism... NONE.

Well, you ask, why is there still a controversy? Because people are stupid. They do not want to believe the scientists who are doing genuine research (you see, it's a cover up by the man) and prefer to believe the one person who admits to being PAID to get a specific result in his research.

Examples:
Wakefield theorized that the measles vaccine caused gastrointestinal problems and that those GI problems led to autism. In his view, the virus used in the vaccine grew in the intestinal tract, leading the bowel to become porous because of inflammation. Then material seeped from the bowel into the blood, Wakefield's theory said, affecting the nervous system and causing autism.
But subsequent research has been unable to duplicate Wakefield's findings.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield acted unethically in conducting autism research, a British panel found.
A September 2008 study replicated key parts of Wakefield's original paper and found no evidence that the vaccine had a connection to either autism or GI disorders. The study, conducted at Columbia University, Massachusetts General Hospital and the CDC, also found no relationship between the timing of the vaccine and children getting GI disorders or autism.
Cited (http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/02...ism/index.html)

McMahon AW, Iskander JK, Haber P, Braun MM, Ball R. Inactivated influenza vaccine (IIV) in children < 2 years of age: Examination of selected adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after thimerosal-free or thimerosal-containing vaccine. Vaccine 2008;26(3):427–429.

Hornig M, Briese T, Buie T, Bauman ML, Lauwers G, et al. (2008) Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy: A Case-Control Study. PLoS ONE 3(9): e3140. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003140

DeStefano F, Bhasin TK, Thompson WW, Yeargin-Allsopp M, Boyle C (2004) Age at first measles-mumps-rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population-based study in metropolitan Atlanta. Pediatrics 113: 259–266. FIND THIS ARTICLE ONLINE

Mandell DS, Thompson WW, Weintraub ES, Destefano F, Blank MB. Trends in diagnosis rates for autism and ADHD at hospital discharge in the context of other psychiatric diagnoses. Psychiatr Serv. 2005 Jan;56(1):56-62.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_..._Aug_18_09.pdf

http://www.nichd.nih.gov/publication.../autismMMR.pdf

Hows that?

Oh, and the best explanation I've found for the crisis these idiots are causing is here: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/1...aronscience/3/

And another rough patch for this bunch of loons: http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/p...interview.html



Soooo... it comes down to people being idiots. And there are no shortage of idiots in the world.

[Gump42]

I stand corrected - thanks for the links and valuable information ABT. I let my judgment be clouded by my disdain for the pharmaceutical industry. I should have done my due diligence prior to posting.

[Guest092810]

Uhh... I wuz lookin for someone to, uh, have sum fun wit.. guess Im n the wrong thread...

[VictoriaLyn]

Originally Posted by cockforhire

Uhh... I wuz lookin for someone to, uh, have sum fun wit.. guess Im n the wrong thread...

Wanna come stick me with your thick needle?

[Guest092810]

Originally Posted by VictoriaLyn

Wanna come stick me with your thick needle?

Thread hijacker.

Oh. Wait. Thick needle. Still on topic!
Continue...

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by VictoriaLyn

Wanna come stick me with your thick needle?

What type of vaccination does he offer? Is it going to be safe?

[Guest092810]

BBNP.... Bare Back Needle Prick.

[Dagny D.E.W.]

So I read the 1st part of this thread and I'm going to take a class where I have to have some vaccines. Imagine my thoughts as I'm in the office yesterday while they are loading up the needles.

I asked him what medium the vaccines were in.

He said,





Wait for it








They come in GLASS bottles.