the Day the Music Died.. Michael Jackson Gone 10 Years Ago Today

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by FunMonday

I'm not a fan but in Jackson's case, he had so much money he was a target 24x7.

I agree.

When a person is successful, and others who not only wish they were, but also just like to do what they can to others to try to make them feel as low as they are, typically are the ones that are spreading gossip and many cases, reporting that gossip as fact.

[Look-at-Stupid]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

I agree.

When a person is successful, and others who not only wish they were, but also just like to do what they can to others to try to make them feel as low as they are, typically are the ones that are spreading gossip and many cases, reporting that gossip as fact.

Yes, and if you are a target, that is more reason to be cautious. Jackson was anything but, asking for trouble after having to settle a lawsuit for 30 million. He went right out and did the same damn thing again.

To me, he is just as guilty as OJ. You can get as much justice as you can afford in this country and I know that firsthand. When I was younger and dumber, I got busted for weed in the parking lot of the old Fare.

Luckily, I made damn good money, and could afford a great lawyer who ended up getting me off scot-free. When you have a great defense, it discourages the DA, who feel their limited resources are better spent going after those who lack that.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Go4it

Come on Chung - you're old enough to know the day the music died was the airplane crash of Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens. Pick another name for it

I'm keeping my name, because, #1, Don Mclean is a wife-batterer

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...hysical-abuse/

who does not own the phrase

and #2, only 2 of the 3 names listed made "music".. the Big Bopper is a Clown, who should not be spoken of in the same terms as Valens and Holly. fuck, Waylon Jennings should have been on the plane, but let the ill Big Bopper have his seat. had Jennings kept his seat, I could go with Feb. 3, 1959 being the day the music died.


but even if I cede to your definition.. Michael Jackson had a quarter century of big music success, those other guys had no more than 2 years! Valens was 17 years old. Holly had about 2 strong years, but had already left the Crickets, so his future was not necessarily looking good. consider that Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, and other early rock and rollers were fading fast at that time. the Big Bopper was a God Damn Clown.. "Chantilly Lace"? please.. history tells us Waylon Jennings had a successful career later on, but Ol' Waylon missed the old plane, which leaves June 25, 2009 the day the music died

[TinMan]

You can also take a broader view of what Mclean meant when he coined the phrase, “the day the music died”. In quick succession (not listed in order), you had Holly’s death, Jerry Lee’s and Chuck Berry’s legal problems, Little Richard finding religion, and Elvis getting drafted. Pretty much all of rock and roll royalty was off the grid by the close of the decade.

[Look-at-Stupid]

Originally Posted by TinMan

You can also take a broader view of what Mclean meant when he coined the phrase, “the day the music died”. In quick succession (not listed in order), you had Holly’s death, Jerry Lee’s and Chuck Berry’s legal problems, Little Richard finding religion, and Elvis getting drafted. Pretty much all of rock and roll royalty was off the grid by the close of the decade.

You are right, and rock stayed in the gutter until the Beatles came along. You can make a case for the Beach Boys, but other than their landmark album Pet Sounds, I think all of that surfer shit sucked donkey balls.

[TinMan]

Their lead-up to Pet Sounds was good, too. Sorta their versions of the Rubber Soul/Revolver tandem. Too bad Brian went off the deep-end before he could make Smile his version of Sgt Pepper.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

You are right, and rock stayed in the gutter until the Beatles came along. You can make a case for the Beach Boys, but other than their landmark album Pet Sounds, I think all of that surfer shit sucked donkey balls.

the Beatles may have helped jump-start rock again, but their early stuff is crap.. people didn't realize it then, and only a few of us seem to understand that now

the Beach Boys' surfer shit was good surfer shit. of course they got much better, after they went from surfer shit to race car shit

I would make the case for the Animals, Rolling Stones, and the Who for starting rock back up.. compare their early output to the Beatles, they are rock, to the Beatles' "pop". McCartney wanted to hold your hand, while Eric Burdon was growling about New Orleans Whorehouses. the Who hoped they wouldn't die before they got old, while Lennon was whining "help, I need somebody, help"!


but back to Michael Jackson.. what an ultimate fuck you it was, when he outbid McCartney for the Beatles publishing rights.

[TinMan]

Oh, the Beatles early stuff was fine, for its time. Someone had to bring rock and roll back from the dead, or we would have been stuck with Pat Boone and Fabian.

I don’t spend a lot of time listening to “With the Beatles” or “Please Please Me”, which were chock full of covers in any event, but “A Hard Day’s Night” is still a great rock and roll record. And there is nothing wrong with “Help”.

The first few Stones albums ain’t exactly “Exile on Main Street”, either.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

the Beatles may have helped jump-start rock again, but their early stuff is crap.. people didn't realize it then, and only a few of us seem to understand that now

the Beach Boys' surfer shit was good surfer shit. of course they got much better, after they went from surfer shit to race car shit

I would make the case for the Animals, Rolling Stones, and the Who for starting rock back up.. compare their early output to the Beatles, they are rock, to the Beatles' "pop". McCartney wanted to hold your hand, while Eric Burdon was growling about New Orleans Whorehouses. the Who hoped they wouldn't die before they got old, while Lennon was whining "help, I need somebody, help"!


but back to Michael Jackson.. what an ultimate fuck you it was, when he outbid McCartney for the Beatles publishing rights.

You forgot The Kinks in your real rock taxonomy. But otherwise, well done.

[TinMan]

Yeah, I had thought of bringing them up, too, a little earlier. Definitely belong in the pantheon, although so-called purists might gripe about some of their late 60s work as not being “rock” enough. Ray Davies was kind of like McCartney in his affection for older pop music styles. Brilliant, under-appreciated writer, though.

[Look-at-Stupid]

Originally Posted by TinMan

Oh, the Beatles early stuff was fine, for its time. Someone had to bring rock and roll back from the dead, or we would have been stuck with Pat Boone and Fabian.

I don’t spend a lot of time listening to “With the Beatles” or “Please Please Me”, which were chock full of covers in any event, but “A Hard Day’s Night” is still a great rock and roll record. And there is nothing wrong with “Help”.

The first few Stones albums ain’t exactly “Exile on Main Street”, either.

I am with you Tinman, while some of the early Beatles stuff sucked, most all of the Stones stuff did. And Pat Boone? Oh jeebus please!!!!

I did not like the Animals either, or the Kinks. Are there two worse songs a cover band can do than Lola and House of the Rising sun? And this is coming from a former pro musician. Annd the originals are not that great either.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

I am with you Tinman, while some of the early Beatles stuff sucked, most all of the Stones stuff did. And Pat Boone? Oh jeebus please!!!!

give me "the last time", and "not fade away" over any early Beatles song.. even if the latter was the Stones borrowing Buddy Holly who ripped off Bo Diddley. the song is good, that's the important thing.

Pat Boone? at least he wore being "square" as a Badge. unlike others of his genre, he never tried to break away from his image (like, say, Donny Osmond did, when he grew a beard, and wore jeans with holes). Boone wrote this song alone, AFAIK, the only song writing credit he ever received. it is an absolute riot. an "antiwar protester" protest song masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpD4RDd7pDs

[Look-at-Stupid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

give me "the last time", and "not fade away" over any early Beatles song.. even if the latter was the Stones borrowing Buddy Holly who ripped off Bo Diddley. the song is good, that's the important thing.

Pat Boone? at least he wore being "square" as a Badge. unlike others of his genre, he never tried to break away from his image (like, say, Donny Osmond did, when he grew a beard, and wore jeans with holes). Boone wrote this song alone, AFAIK, the only song writing credit he ever received. it is an absolute riot. an "antiwar protester" protest song masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpD4RDd7pDs

Sorry my friend, but I would rather have bamboo shoots stuck up my fingernails than listen to anything by Pat Boone.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Look-at-Stupid

Sorry my friend, but I would rather have bamboo shoots stuck up my fingernails than listen to anything by Pat Boone.

I will convict Boone of this.. the fact that his Daughter was super bland, worse than himself! at least Johnny Cash and Nat Cole sired daughters with musical talent.

interestingly (or not), Marvin Gaye and Elvis had daughters who recorded albums that were wretched. Michael Jackson married Lisa-Marie before she ever recorded an album, so she leeched from 2 famous relationships, and still bombed.

[TinMan]

My least favorite early Stones hit is “I Wanna Be Your Man”. Chung, I expect you to appreciate the irony of that statement.