Senile Biden's Assault on Free Speech

[eyecu2]

Try to twist it anyway you like.

The covid conspiracy and election fraud accusers, have proven nothing -zero wins in court, & their accusations bear have no weight. Empty words but used to incite & agitate others.

Those who suggested that COVID vaccines caused all kinds of secondary and tertiary negative results- " stays in your system forever as an active agent" and further false info.

Where is the proof, and where is the supposed election fraud conspiracy?

Often time the narrative of accusations shift with you ppl on the right so you can try to demonize any liberal ideas. So called censorship for wanting truth and even citing the bodies who used to keep the publications accountable vs. the say anything about anything- culture you are embracing, is two very different views. I won't reply to the allegations of a lack of prior political acceptance of elections, and it's one thing to make an allegation, but at some point, put up or shut up.

Keeping the ruse of the allegation without proof is now just a lie.

I'd prefer that those deniers to stop spouting off - leading ppl to act out because of it. Jan 6, Paul Pelosi, the fake news van dude and all the other kooks ....incited to action and violence.

But yeah, we should just promote any false state because we can- right?

Pizza shop pedophiles

Cabal's

And on and on.


I could cast many accusations like the right is a blood cult who make baby sacrifices on an alter to get Trump or any GOP person get elected...but I don't. I don't need to.

Is Freedom of speech- Freedom to lie and to incite people to take action or harm others?

I guess you think so.

[chizzy]

so let me get this straight.... you think the federal goverment should have the right to decide what is said on social media if they consider something misinformation? in other words the goverment controls what people are allowed to hear?
do you realize what that is sounding like? germany 80 some years ago

its already proven and admitted by facebooks douchbag that bidens henchmen asked them to keep the cover on hunters laptop before the election and the same with all the usuals abc cbs and so on. russian interference my ass

I cant believe any sane person would want the goverment deciding what can be posted. Would you be saying the same thing if the republicans controlled the white house and congress? I think not

watch this and then reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp_47cRqxXk

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Try to twist it anyway you like.

The covid conspiracy and election fraud accusers, have proven nothing -zero wins in court, & their accusations bear have no weight. Empty words but used to incite & agitate others.

Those who suggested that COVID vaccines caused all kinds of secondary and tertiary negative results- " stays in your system forever as an active agent" and further false info.

Where is the proof, and where is the supposed election fraud conspiracy?

Often time the narrative of accusations shift with you ppl on the right so you can try to demonize any liberal ideas. So called censorship for wanting truth and even citing the bodies who used to keep the publications accountable vs. the say anything about anything- culture you are embracing, is two very different views. I won't reply to the allegations of a lack of prior political acceptance of elections, and it's one thing to make an allegation, but at some point, put up or shut up.

Keeping the ruse of the allegation without proof is now just a lie.

I'd prefer that those deniers to stop spouting off - leading ppl to act out because of it. Jan 6, Paul Pelosi, the fake news van dude and all the other kooks ....incited to action and violence.

But yeah, we should just promote any false state because we can- right?

Pizza shop pedophiles

Cabal's

And on and on.


I could cast many accusations like the right is a blood cult who make baby sacrifices on an alter to get Trump or any GOP person get elected...but I don't. I don't need to.

Is Freedom of speech- Freedom to lie and to incite people to take action or harm others?

I guess you think so.

So once AGAIN you prove that you DO NOT believe in the US Constitution. And

1. You DO believe the US Gov't should be restricting free speech

2. You DO believe the US Gov't should influence / control Big tech censorship programs

Just come out and admit it - you want speech you disagree with banned. You have basically said so in multiple posts now. You would have fit in well with the Third Reich since you believe only government should have the right to determine what people can say and believe.

And of course you

I won't reply to the allegations of a lack of prior political acceptance of elections

because you were OK with libtards questioning election results. I bet you joined with them in doing so. So it was ok for them to do so but not others because you disagreed with the evidence and opinions of conservatives.

Here to refresh your memory watch Democrats Conveniently Forget Their Party’s Long History Of Denying Election Results:

https://youtu.be/XX2Ejqjz6TA

and

https://rumble.com/embed/v1od272/?pub=88gnf

Or read OVER 150 EXAMPLES OF DEMOCRATS DENYING ELECTION RESULTS

https://gop.com/research/over-150-ex...n-results-rsr/

You were perfectly fine with that speech not being censored.

[berryberry]

And here is award winning FAR LEFT journalist Glenn Greenwald speaking out on the need for different opinions, skepticism, etc.

Glenn Greenwald weighs in on the Paul Pelosi attack:

"Skepticism itself can never be wrong ... Even if evidence does emerge later on to prove it, the skepticism itself was not just valid, but necessary."

This to me has almost nothing to do with Paul Pelosi. The key point is this:

Americans are being conditioned -- by "journalists" of all people -- to believe it's immoral or mentally ill not to immediately and uncritically accept whatever institutions of authorities claim.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1587609054389493761

Again, what the US Government and the Senile Biden Admin have done is despicable. This may be the biggest story of our lives. The direct violation of law and the constitution on a scale designed to subvert our elections and control the population

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Paul Pelosi

The fact you believe this was political shows how effective propaganda is.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

The fact you believe this was political shows how effective propaganda is.

Depape was a follower of political conspiracy theories, including the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen.


To quote:

DePape also did not leave after Pelosi called 911, because he felt that “much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender,” according to DePape’s statement to San Francisco police.

DePape told police he intended to take the speaker hostage, talk to her and break “her kneecaps” if she lied, according to the affidavit.

DePape, the affidavit said, “was certain that Nancy would not have told the ‘truth.’” Lied about what??

and
he viewed Pelosi as “‘leader of the pack’ of lies told by the Democratic Party.”

So besides this guy being out of his fucking mind- he was incited to action because of right wing media about democrats. This is EXACTLY the kind of bullshit that happens when opinion talking heads- spout off about nonsense that has no truth, and is for the weakminded- right wingers. Now- this may be the guy who would jump off a bridge if he was told, or he may be just one of many people who if told often enough and with exertion of inflamming and gaslighting, to take action into their own hands. Hell- how many dumbasses went to the Stop the steal rally? 70-100k, and thats just enough to tell me that this is a dangerous message. I know you guys think it's a first amendment thing, but at what point do the messengers get held accountable for some of the actions? I would say that FOX news channels and most of the conservative movement is nothing more than empty threats and creating a narrative of the boogey man who lives in the lefts' pedophile pizza shop. It's horseshit that is just ridiculous.


No need for violence- VOTE. on the other hand- I do think the message from the GOP side has gathered more momentum on economy and energy etc., and that's ok. All things need moderation and my point is always been- why do so many extremists find their way into politics or talk shows. A current affair- was the original salacious mind porn of Murdoch in the past, and all he did was change the focus onto the democrats- cause you have the have a villain and a hero to sell comic books and "news Opinion" shows.

But the gaslighting that creates this type of action- needs to stop. Or would the tit-for tat political tribe here on the right rather see a political civil war?

Uneducated people might agree that a war would be a good cleansing of the souls, but nobody has all the right answers, and there is always another person behind who has a bigger gun.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Depape was a follower of political conspiracy theories. . . he was incited to action because of right wing media about democrats.

LOL, ok, please explain how a crazy nudist hippie that was part of a pro BLM commune AND who is in this country illegally is right wing?

Better yet, explain exactly what conspiracy theory moved him to walk in only his underwear from Berkeley to the ultrarich neighborhood in San Francisco and enter Paul Pelosi's mansion while avoiding security cameras?

As Jacuzzme stated - "The fact you believe this was political shows how effective propaganda is."

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I would say that FOX news channels and most of the conservative movement is nothing more than empty threats and creating a narrative of the boogey man who lives in the lefts' pedophile pizza shop. It's horseshit that is just ridiculous.

Do you mean like this:



or maybe like this:



Or perhaps like this:



or this:

[eyecu2]

See, the difference between you and I BX2, is that I tell honestly why I think the guy who is obviously easily manipulated, is also the product of the news cycles he's watching. But even with your copy paste ad nauseam, you still have no ability to refute what that Depape stated.

I'm not saying there isn't blame to go around from both sides, and of course I'm not going to state the obvious defection in your " whataboutisms", as I don't think either side is without blame. But when the rhetoric is the actual motive from the horse's mouth, I take that at face value, and you should too.

When people tell you who they are believe them - famous quote.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

See, the difference between you and I BX2, is that I tell honestly why I think the guy who is obviously easily manipulated, is also the product of the news cycles he's watching. But even with your copy paste ad nauseam, you still have no ability to refute what that Depape stated.

I'm not saying there isn't blame to go around from both sides

No the difference between me and you is I believe reality and you believe in left wing propaganda. You posted a bunch of BS insinuating he was right wing and only did what he did because of what you call right wing conspiracy theories (side note - the fact that the 2020 election had a myriad of election fraud by the Democrats is not a theory but you just continue to ignore those facts).

Meanwhile you completely ignored the facts that this nudist hippie that was part of a pro BLM commune AND who is in this country illegally is just plain crazy and believed left wing conspiracies just as much as any others.

I quote:

Additionally, according to a lawyer who has been in touch with DePape’s former girlfriend, DePape has embraced left-wing and right-wing conspiracy theories.

Taub’s attorney, Christopher Dobbins, told The Epoch Times on Nov. 2 that based on his conversations with Taub the theories about DePape being a right-wing extremist seem to be off base.

Dobbins thinks DePape tends to believe conspiracy theories in general, whether they’re left-wing or right-wing.

“He’s all over the place,” Dobbins said.

Statements from Dobbins and a neighbor shed new light on DePape’s unorthodox lifestyle, his apparent homelessness, and his thought processes.

“Even though he’s probably Public Enemy No. 1 right now,” and DePape and Taub have apparently been estranged for a while, Taub still cares for her ex, Dobbins said.

She thinks he’s deeply troubled and has serious mental issues, Dobbins said. The two have known each other for many years and both were pictured in San Francisco newspapers in 2013 when they were protesting city ordinances banning public nudity.

But you only want to see what you want to believe and that is to frame this libtard nutcase as a right winger.

Originally Posted by eyecu2

of course I'm not going to state the obvious defection in your " whataboutisms", as I don't think either side is without blame.

There was no "whataboutisms". You specifically made the false statement:

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I would say that FOX news channels and most of the conservative movement is nothing more than empty threats and creating a narrative of the boogey man who lives in the lefts' pedophile pizza shop.

And all I did was provide 4 very recent examples of libtards making actual threats and creating a death and destruction narrative if you don't vote for them - far worse than anything Fox or other conservative media put out.

And on that subject, look at how the biased libtard loving media blew up this Pelosi story to try and gain an advantage in the election for the libtards. Meanwhile, have you heard anything from them on these violent libtard attacks on Conservative politicians which happened in the last day:

1. NC Republican candidate Pat Harrigan's CHILDREN ALMOST KILLED after gunman opens fire at North Carolina home – This after Dem rival Jeff Jackson FILMED CAMPAIGN AD outside his property..

MEDIA DEAD SILENT ON THIS...

2. Republican New Hampshire Senate candidate Don Bolduc dodged a punch from a would-be assailant before stepping onstage to debate Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) on Wednesday, according to reports.

Bolduc, 60, a retired Army brigadier general, was apparently unharmed, and the individual who attempted to assault the Senate candidate was arrested

CRICKETS by the Networks on this . . .

So save all your Pelosi nonsense and handwringing

[eyecu2]

On and on about ancillary topics to deflect on the topic. Holy ADHD - I thought we were citing opinions of the guy who ACTUALLY DID assault someone, not the myriads of those attempting or the like. Or- ppl who have an opinion on why he did it. Holy minimization- We could bring up the John Wilkes Booth in the next blathering of conspiracy and actions, or we could stay on topic...Biden is trying limit hate speech, not free speech.

There is a difference ya know.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

On and on about ancillary topics to deflect on the topic. Holy ADHD - I thought we were sighting opinions of the guy who ACTUALLY DID assault someone, not the myriads of those attempting or the like. We could bring up the John Wilkes Booth in the next blathering of conspiracy and actions, or we could stay on topic...Biden is trying limit hate speech, not free speech.

There is a difference ya know.

[IMG

You were the one who went off on the silly Paul Pelosi tangent. That is not the topic of this thread so glad you agree. getting back on the topic of this thread

1. Why DO YOU NOT believe in the US Constitution.

2. Why do YOU believe the US Gov't should be restricting free speech

3. Why do YOU believe the US Gov't should influence / control Big tech censorship programs

Come on now, you have admitted that you want speech you disagree with banned. You are against free speech

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

On and on about ancillary topics to deflect on the topic. Holy ADHD - I thought we were citing opinions of the guy who ACTUALLY DID assault someone, not the myriads of those attempting or the like. Or- ppl who have an opinion on why he did it. Holy minimization- We could bring up the John Wilkes Booth in the next blathering of conspiracy and actions, or we could stay on topic...Biden is trying limit hate speech, not free speech.

There is a difference ya know.

Originally Posted by berryberry

You were the one who went off on the silly Paul Pelosi tangent. That is not the topic of this thread so glad you agree. getting back on the topic of this thread

1. Why DO YOU NOT believe in the US Constitution.

2. Why do YOU believe the US Gov't should be restricting free speech

3. Why do YOU believe the US Gov't should influence / control Big tech censorship programs

Come on now, you have admitted that you want speech you disagree with banned. You are against free speech

Again you misconstrued what I said. Or perhaps try to just align it to your narrative. In fact what I did say was that I am against any hate speech or speech that insights people to violence.

And further that I do not like speech that has been proven to be an outright lie, which has been linked to hate speech.

As an amendment to the constitution, it has been proven that amendments are not guaranteed to last forever, & can be repealed.
Remember prohibition & Roe V Wade??


https://www.uscourts.gov/about-feder...rces/what-does
The courts state:
Freedom of speech does not include the right:
To incite imminent lawless action.
Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969).

When speech spurs violence or lawless action (such as insurrection or riots), it is not protectedspeech.

Why do you lie about me or the constitution BX2??

You seem to think you can say anything with impunity,& no responsibility.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

In fact what I did say was that I am against any hate speech or speech that insights people to violence.

And further that I do not like speech that has been proven to be an outright lie, which has been linked to hate speech.

When speech spurs violence or lawless action (such as insurrection or riots), it is not protectedspeech.
.

No - here is exactly what you said:

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I don't believe that there should be any GENERAL censorship unless the information being shared, is false, harmful or would insight harm to others. So while yes, that is a nuance of censoring- it's so that false information isn't taken to action or cause of harm. In the case of conspiracies and COVID and the stolen election, more than one of those does create harm.

So you do support the government censoring speech you don't agree with and conspiring with big tech to do so.

And you do not support free speech

Because questioning the government about the origins of Covid, the various treatment options, the safety of the vaccines, the effectiveness of masks and lockdowns, etc, etc is NOT lawless and does NOT spur violence

And questioning the government about the results of an election is NOT lawless.

Again - just admit you want to ban speech and opinions you disagree with instead of pretending otherwise

[berryberry]

Rand Paul Vows To Introduce Bill To Stop Government And Big Tech Colluding To Censor Speech

In the wake of fresh revelations that The Department of Homeland Security has been working relentlessly to shut down speech it deems to be ‘dangerous’ or ‘disinformation,’ Senator Rand Paul has promised to introduce legislation that would make it illegal for government agencies and private big tech to secretly collude on such enterprises.

Appearing on Fox News, Paul said of the Democratic Party, “You know, for all the talk of democracy, it seems to be that they’re undermining the very basic principles of our constitutional republic.”

“Freedom of speech was listed in the first amendment because it was one of the most important rights that our Founders thought should be protected. But having the government collude with Big Tech to censor speech is something that goes against every grain of everything that anyone has ever spoken about as far as freedom of speech,” Paul urged.

The Senator continued, “So when we get back in session, I’m going to introduce legislation that will forbid the government from colluding with private companies to censor speech.”

Paul further explained that “this is a tricky situation because many people believe that the First Amendment doesn’t allow us to regulate the speech of private companies. But without question, we can regulate the government, and we can prevent and forbid the government from colluding with private tech on speech.”

“I think we should also preclude them and prohibit them from gathering up our data,” Paul further asserted, adding “we can’t really tell people on the Internet they can’t collect our data, you know, for sales and for marketing. But we can tell the government they can’t collect that data, because I don’t want the government profiling every citizen.”

“That goes against everything that we all believe in as far as the foundation of our constitutional republic,” The Senator proclaimed.

Paul further charged that Democrats “actually want to emulate China,” noting that “They would weld your doors shut if they could.”

“This is the party of authoritarianism. The impulse to authoritarianism came with COVID. But the impulse to gather our information actually probably started with the Patriot act, all the way back to 2001. There was this impulse — we must be safe, we must be protected from terrorists,” Paul explained.

Referring to his father former Texas Congressman Ron Paul, The Senator noted “my dad warned — he warned early on that this kind of going after terrorists would ultimately be used on us.”

“When they finally came and used the Patriot Act on Donald Trump, that was when we knew this wasn’t about terrorism, it was about suppressing dissent from people they disagree with,” Paul stated.

As we highlighted yesterday, ‘fact checking’ isn’t the real principle driving the Biden regime’s drive to censor, as they continue to pump out their own disinformation on social media.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-censor-speech

[berryberry]

Jonathon Turley:

The President was in full censor-in-chief mode this week, referring to censors as "editors." He asked without such censorship, “How do people know the truth?"

Perish the thought that citizens might be left to pursue the truth on their own without the government or surrogates in the media framing it for them. How could we possibly "know the truth" without our social media overlords?

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/11/0...ns-on-twitter/