American Women and Getting Paid

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Honey, I make damn good money doing what I do outside of the hobby world alone. I don't have a man taking care of me. I never said male dominance was a good thing (well in the bedroom it is but that's another thread). What I am saying is that: If a man decides to ask me out he better be ready to foot the bill. Was that so hard to understand my dear friend?

That is not what you said but if that is what you meant fine.

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I was also brought up in a culture where the man pays for everything.
Where I'm from, there's not such thing as a woman paying half for a date.
It's shameful and comical. If a man is going to take me out.. he's paying for everything.
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I do think you are missing the bigger picture though. A woman should want to pay for a date...means she/they have all the money. That is who pays for dates btw. The person with the money in the long run. How it has always been and how it will always be. If the resources are equal than there is a better chance that the dates will be split.

[NinaBrooke]

I think its no coincidence that in regular conservative marriages the men earn more money, so if you are planning on marriage maybe you should get a man pay :-)..Its a financial contract.... No wonder during divorces there is so much focus on the financially ripping each other apart.

Money is a powerful tool to make people submissive that is somethign that should not be underestimated.

And one more thing i have heard: Its not my opinion but i find it interesting: Someone (a woman) has once told me that men have more time to "play" and fool around wiht women, so of course a man should pay to give alady a great time for a date.
A woman`s time is limited: we are desirable for males from lets say 18 til maximum 50, and a man can have young lovers also when 60 or 70. A man gets more attractive when older , a woman looses attractivity. Also when you want children, you only have a certain amount of timeframe. You can`t do that anymore with 50 so easy.
Therefor she thinks men should make themselves worhy of a woman`s attention and by paying or doing something nice they actually show sincerity. I am not sure, but i am sure of the fact that if a man could support a woman and decides not to do so, he lacks character or interest.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by WTF

A woman should want to pay for a date...means she/they have all the money.

WTF, I disagree. Maybe I missed the point but I'm calling BS on this statement. It's very unrealistic. So because someone wants to pay for a date means they're rolling in dough? means they have money? That is not true. I can have a purse full of money and not offer to pay. I have done it several times. I will not elaborate further. We'll just agreed to disagree my dear. Smooches!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

I do think you are missing the bigger picture though. A woman should want to pay for a date...means she/they have all the money. That is who pays for dates btw. The person with the money in the long run. How it has always been and how it will always be. If the resources are equal than there is a better chance that the dates will be split.

That is good in theory and gets my biggest support. It lacks reality though, because most men have younger women. Lets say it like that: The older men get the more likely it is that their women are younger. If they are married then that`s the mistresses i am talking about. Most men who are married have mistresses that are younger. Some people stay married for whatever reason, but i am talking about reality here. Why is that? I don`t know. (And honestly , i don`t really want to know......) At least in Europe that is, and as far as i am concerned in the USA as well. Women are mostly significantly younger than men. I am not saying its always like that. It might be good to have equal income and equal contributions to a relationship when in the same age category, but that also would require dating within the same socioeconomic areas. What about a poor man and a rich woman? What about the other way round? So what abut the age gap? And even if they have older wives its even more reason to pay :-))) (lol). Its not that easy.
Last time i was in Nice with a young lover (we broke up) I paid the expenses because he could not afford a hotel and i did not want to stay in some shitty hostel. Period.

[Black Sedan]

Originally Posted by Leah Ireland

I am constantly teaching American women to get looked after/paid for by their men.
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Any gentleman worth his salt knows he has to pay for his date. That's what I'm teaching American women that I meet - the more a man spends on you, the more he respects you.
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It's a matter of respect.

I am completely uninterested in an emotionally intimate relationship with any woman with this attitude. Such women with the attitude you espouse reduce themselves to merely a sex object; property.

Further, I doubt that a thinking provider would expect her personal relationships to mirror her hobbyist in this way, and still hope to be happy.

[pjorourke]

In the long-run, all good relationships are partnerships with equal effort/input on both members. Input/effort comes in many forms -- money is just one.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Black Sedan

I am completely uninterested in an emotionally intimate relationship with any woman with this attitude. Such women with the attitude you espouse reduce themselves to merely a sex object; property.

Further, I doubt that a thinking provider would expect her personal relationships to mirror her hobbyist in this way, and still hope to be happy.

You might be consciousnessly not interested in women like that. Nevertheless the real snakey women don`t portray themselves that way. I have heard wives say they are independent while telling me at the same time they NEED their husbands because of the money.
I have heard lovers say they would never take money from a man, while at the same time making sure they only date rich men who provide for them. Its not so simple.
Most of the time the women who are clear about the money and say they want it, are the ones labeled as sluts , while the other ones are not recognised as such and doing the same.
Its no coincidence some women only date wealthy men. Sorry.

[gfeamanda]

I'm pretty sure I don't agree with the OP. In my personal relationships, I find it more fitting that whoever has more financial resources foots more of the financial burden. As PJ eloquently pointed out, this financial exchange can be made up for in other ways, such as the home-cooked dinner brought up by Nina.

I tend to find the notion that we should extract whatever we can from another person without giving anything in return to be quite a revolting attitude. Leah said, "I tell them are they INSANE to pay half of dates, and the very real fact is that people pay for what is emotionally important to them. So if a guy is not paying for you, in whatever world you're in, he thinks very lowly of you." But what does that say about the woman who doesn't pay? How does this not work both ways?

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by gfeamanda

..... this financial exchange can be made up for in other ways, such as the home-cooked dinner brought up by Nina.

Ah if that is the case then I'm all for it. Whatever it is. I can cook my way into anyone's heart.

[WTF]

A purse full of money does not mean you have means..

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

So because someone wants to pay for a date means they're rolling in dough? means they have money? !

I should have phrased it " Wants to be able to pay for the date.''

Which would mean they are rolling in the dough.

What I meant for is to strive for that better goal.
Not to have your dates paid for but have the abality to ask out who ever you want and be able to pay for it. Some will see that larger picture, some will not.

Originally Posted by ninasastri

That is good in theory and gets my biggest support. It lacks reality though, because most men have younger women. Lets say it like that: The older men get the more likely it is that their women are younger. If they are married then that`s the mistresses i am talking about. Most men who are married have mistresses that are younger. Some people stay married for whatever reason, but i am talking about reality here. Why is that? I don`t know. (And honestly , i don`t really want to know......) At least in Europe that is, and as far as i am concerned in the USA as well. Women are mostly significantly younger than men. I am not saying its always like that. It might be good to have equal income and equal contributions to a relationship when in the same age category, but that also would require dating within the same socioeconomic areas. What about a poor man and a rich woman? What about the other way round? So what abut the age gap? And even if they have older wives its even more reason to pay :-))) (lol). Its not that easy.
Last time i was in Nice with a young lover (we broke up) I paid the expenses because he could not afford a hotel and i did not want to stay in some shitty hostel. Period.

I think you missed this below post of mine....We are saying the same thing , I think , maybe in just two different languages, I'll quit talking in English and switch to French should you do me the pleasure of uncrossing your legs

Originally Posted by WTF

What I find nurturing is when another human being helps another human being regardless of sex.

Wouldn't it be great if we all helped each other out depending on circumstances instead of gender and shed stupid stereotypical traditions that were from another age?

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[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by WTF

A purse full of money does not mean you have means..

And that is the point I was trying to make to you. Just because someone offers to foot the bill doesn't mean they have money.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

And that is the point I was trying to make to you. Just because someone offers to foot the bill doesn't mean they have money.

And my point to you was that you/women should strive for equality in income.....

.....That you should want to pay because you have the means to pay. Not a purse full of money but real means in terms wealth.

You should not sit around with an attitude of "I'm not going out with anyone unless they pay!"

That attitude will never offer a means for real wealth. Now if we are talking profession, then by all means get paid!

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Ah if that is the case then I'm all for it. Whatever it is. I can cook my way into anyone's heart.

I'm either hungry , horny or sleepy!

[gulflover]

Originally Posted by Black Sedan

I am completely uninterested in an emotionally intimate relationship with any woman with this attitude. Such women with the attitude you espouse reduce themselves to merely a sex object; property.

Further, I doubt that a thinking provider would expect her personal relationships to mirror her hobbyist in this way, and still hope to be happy.

+1

[Black Sedan]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

You might be consciousnessly not interested in women like that. Nevertheless the real snakey women don`t portray themselves that way.

Ah yes, I must be fooled.

Originally Posted by ninasastri

I have heard wives say they are independent while telling me at the same time they NEED their husbands because of the money.
I have heard lovers say they would never take money from a man, while at the same time making sure they only date rich men who provide for them. Its not so simple.

Lazy isn't sexy to man or woman. It's really not that hard to achieve comfortable wealth in this country, even if you conduct your business ethically.

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Most of the time the women who are clear about the money and say they want it, are the ones labeled as sluts , while the other ones are not recognised as such and doing the same.
Its no coincidence some women only date wealthy men. Sorry.

I'm hardly denying that Leah Ireland's ethos is rare - it's common enough. Many men go along with it, and their resulting misery is well acknowledged.

Thank the lord your ethos is not ubiquitous, even if you and Leah Ireland would like to remake the world in your image. There are fortunately enough ladies with a healthier emotional view around, many of them highly intelligent, and sexy.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Black Sedan

Ah yes, I must be fooled.



Lazy isn't sexy to man or woman. It's really not that hard to achieve comfortable wealth in this country, even if you conduct your business ethically.


Thank the lord your ethos is not ubiquitous, even if you and Leah Ireland would like to remake the world in your image. There are fortunately enough ladies with a healthier emotional view around, many of them highly intelligent, and sexy.

I am not saying you must be fooled, but i am saying you never know where love falls. And if you happen to fall in love with someone that does not have your means of income then you might be intrugued to help out with schoolings or stuff etc. Many men do that. And would not see their wives or women as whores. I am not saying you would. It is just, that you can`t say so easy you would never be attracted to a woman who has that in mind,
after all ,
you are participating in an escort board, and women here only "provide" for money. So its a bit contradictious to say what you just said. I would not degrade escorts to "sex objects" only either, that was my point originally. An escort offers similar services like a therapist does, so its her right to get paid.
I agree with you that women in private should not get paid, but however, things are not so easy.

Sometimes i think it is not so easy to make comfortable wealth anyway, maybe it is easier in the USA, i have never tried, you might be right. Even though, there are simple differences in jobs, like for example if you are an artist, or like. So if someone works on Wall street in finances and dates an artist, who is not so successful, then it might not be the laziness that contributes to the inequality in income.

I don`t like to remake the world in my image, i have just stated my experiences. And i have been honest. And - unlike Leah - i don`t think men should pay me outside of escorting. So i don`t see where you put me in the same closet, really? I am financially independent and have two lovers. NOne of them is paying me for anything. Except clients do. And they do so because they need me to be a secret. That is all.

I'm hardly denying that Leah Ireland's ethos is rare - it's common enough. Many men go along with it, and their resulting misery is well acknowledged.

we agree. I was saying the same.