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The victim made serious mistakes in resisting arrest and grabbing a stun gun. But his original “offense” was sleeping in a car. When he starts to run away, you don’t shoot him in the back. My guess us the cop won’t get charged, though the prosecutor could present the case to the grand jury with no recommendation and see what they do (which I suspect would be indict). Cop’s only defense will be he thought the guy grabbed his partner’s gun, not a taser. I think that’s a lie, but I could win the case on that basis if the client will agree not to testify. But I thunk we all know that had the victim been white, the outcome would have been different.
wrong on all counts as usual. his crime was public intoxication i.e. he passed out in his car, he wasn't there to catch some Z's. public intoxication is a crime, counselor. and once the guy grabbed a weapon, yes a taser is a weapon, he then become an armed felon for resisting arrest, attempting to injure a police officer and fleeing with the taser and trying to fire it at the officers. he probably did think he grabbed the cop's gun. and what if he had? do you expect the police to stand there and let him shoot them? at this point you should know that this guy was now a menace to the community and many states do allow officers to pursue such a suspect and fire at them even in the back.
with the taser if he had escaped he could have used the taser on an innocent person in an attempt to steal a vehicle. what if that person was old and he tasered them and caused their death?
and last, NO. the outcome would have been exactly the same if the suspect was white and did the same things.
what do Devon Bailey and Allan George have in common? both were shot from behind while ignoring police instructions to halt. both were reported to be armed and both were armed. Bailey was stopped as matching the description of an ARMED ROBBERY suspect.
let's meet the now deceased Mr. Bailey ..
now let's see what Mr. Bailey does when told he would be searched for weapons ..
the video should start at the moment the officers stop Bailey and his cousin.
now let's meet Mr. George ...
Mr. George also did not obey the police and began jogging away
similar circumstances. similar results. one black suspect, one white.
Colorado law tends to favor police who shoot “fleeing felons”
Experts say case of De’Von Bailey appears to fit within law
The victim made serious mistakes in resisting arrest and grabbing a stun gun. But his original “offense” was sleeping in a car. When he starts to run away, you don’t shoot him in the back. My guess us the cop won’t get charged, though the prosecutor could present the case to the grand jury with no recommendation and see what they do (which I suspect would be indict). Cop’s only defense will be he thought the guy grabbed his partner’s gun, not a taser. I think that’s a lie, but I could win the case on that basis if the client will agree not to testify. But I thunk we all know that had the victim been white, the outcome would have been different.
I think if a white perp broke free of two cops, aimed and fired (even a taser) he can expect to get shot. I don’t disagree about the cop possibly lying about being confused. The perp fired the taser, turned and ran as the cop was in the process of firing. At that specific moment the cop had no idea if he would turn and run or charge him. Should the cop have waited to see what he would do next? Wait and possibly have a hostage situation?
It’s unfortunate that this incident took place. But to say this cop is racist is a stretch.
Remember all the riots and protests over Dallas PD causing the death of Tony Timpa?
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Anyone here heard of Tony Timpa ?
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yeah me neither because it didn't happen yet Dallas PD had a very similar incident in 2016 which led to Timpa's death. where were the protests then? doesn't Tony Timpa's WHITE life matter?
After Timpa fell unconscious, the officers who had him in handcuffs assumed he was asleep and didn’t confirm that he was breathing or feel for a pulse.
As precious minutes passed, the officers laughed and joked about waking Timpa up for school and making him waffles for breakfast.
Body camera footage obtained Tuesday by The Dallas Morning News shows first responders waited at least four minutes after Timpa became unresponsive to begin CPR. His nose was buried in the grass while officers claimed to hear him snoring -- apparently unaware that the unarmed man was drawing his last breaths.
The officers pinned his handcuffed arms behind his back for nearly 14 minutes and zip-tied his legs together. By the time he was loaded onto a gurney and put into an ambulance, the 32-year-old was dead.
The News obtained Dallas Police Department body camera footage after a three-year fight for records related to Timpa's death. A federal judge ruled Monday in favor of a motion by The News and NBC5 to release records from his death, saying "the public has a compelling interest in understanding what truly took place during a fatal exchange between a citizen and law enforcement."
Timpa called 911 on Aug. 10, 2016, from the parking lot of a Dallas porn store, saying he was afraid and needed help. He told a dispatcher he suffered from schizophrenia and depression and was off his prescription medication. The News first reported Timpa's death in a 2017 investigation that showed Dallas police refused to say how a man who had called 911 for help ended up dead.
The newly obtained video and records, part of a lawsuit filed by Timpa’s family in federal court alleging excessive force, contradict key claims Dallas police have made in defending the officers’ actions.
Police incident reports recounting the officers’ version of events claim Timpa’s behavior that night was aggressive and combative. The video shows Timpa writhing at times and clearly struggling to breathe, asking the officers to stop pinning him down.
On a custodial death report submitted to the state in 2016, the department answered "no" to questions about whether Timpa resisted arrest, threatened or fought officers.
Police had previously claimed to use only enough force necessary to block Timpa from rolling into a busy section of Mockingbird Lane. In the first minute, Timpa rolls around near the curb. But the video shows a police car clearly blocks traffic about a minute later near the bus bench where the officers had pinned him. Several officers continue pressing his restrained body into the ground.
He had already been handcuffed by a private security guard before police arrived. He never threatens to hurt or kill the police.
The footage also shows the officers mocking Timpa as he struggled to live. Shortly after one officer ridicules Timpa’s repeated cries for help, an officer notes that he appears to be “out cold.”
They joke that he’s merely asleep and try to wake him: “It’s time for school. Wake up!”
One officer mimics a teen saying: “I don’t want to go to school! Five more minutes, Mom!”
They joke about buying him new shoes for the first day of school and making him a special breakfast, laughing loudly.
It’s unclear from the video why Dallas Fire-Rescue medical responders don’t intervene immediately after Timpa loses consciousness.
“I was unable to assess the patient due to his combativeness,” said one of the first responders in a newly obtained affidavit.
However, the medical responders appear to take Timpa’s blood pressure while he is still conscious, about five minutes before administering Versed, a powerful sedative. By the time the paramedic gives Timpa the sedative, officers already are questioning if Timpa is awake.
A Dallas Fire-Rescue spokesman declined to comment on the paramedics’ actions, citing the family’s pending lawsuit in federal court. The Dallas Police Department also declined to comment.
Timpa died within 20 minutes of police arriving, and at least 15 minutes before an ambulance eventually transported his body to Parkland hospital.
As the officers and paramedics struggle to load Timpa’s lifeless body onto the gurney, they begin to panic, seeing his glassy, open eyes and blades of grass stuck to his mouth.
Tony Timpa died in August 2016 at age 32.
His family has fought since then to find answers in his death.
One of the officers asks: “He didn’t just die down there, did he?”
An autopsy ruled Timpa's cause of death was a homicide, sudden cardiac death due to "the toxic effects of cocaine and the stress associated with physical restraint."
The city of Dallas and Dallas County officials had fought since September 2016 to prevent public release of the records, arguing it could interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation. Officials then said the records could not be released because a criminal case against three of the police officers never made it to trial.
Those three officers -- Kevin Mansell, Danny Vasquez and Dustin Dillard -- were indicted by a grand jury in 2017 on charges of misdemeanor deadly conduct, three months after The News published its investigation into Timpa's death. Following two days of testimony, the grand jury's indictment stated that the "officers engaged in reckless conduct that placed Timpa in imminent danger of serious bodily injury."
Creuzot previously told The News that he met with "all three medical examiners" who had testified to the grand jury. They reportedly told him they did not believe the officers acted recklessly and "cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."
Records recently obtained by The News show the Dallas Police Department's internal affairs investigation related to Timpa's death was completed months before the officers were indicted. Dillard, Mansell and Vasquez were disciplined for "conduct discrediting" the department, but those allegations were dropped when the criminal charges were dismissed. Vasquez and another officer present at Timpa's death also received written reprimands for "discourtesy" and "unprofessionalism."
According to internal affairs records, Mansell and Vasquez were placed on administrative leave in December 2017. Dillard was also placed on leave in March 2018, internal affairs records show.
The officers returned to active duty in April after Creuzot dropped the criminal case against them.
In the video, Dillard pins Timpa to the ground with his knee in his back for more than 13 minutes. Keeping someone face-down and bound at the arms and legs is known as the "prone position," a method of restraint that is controversial in policing. Several studies have shown it may increase the risk for asphyxiation and sudden death.
Officers should know the dangers of restraining someone in a prone position, said Erik Heipt, a Seattle lawyer who specializes in cases of in-custody deaths.
“It’s just basic science: People can be essentially suffocated to death when they're lying on their stomachs in a prone position and there’s weight on their backs compressing their chest and diaphragm,” Heipt said.
“As soon as [police] have someone handcuffed, they’ve got to know to turn them on their sides and be on the lookout for any compromised breathing issues.”
For a person who is restrained and gasping for air, the instinct often is to panic and struggle. Officers may interpret this as resisting and apply more pressure to the person’s back.
“It’s a lethal cycle that happens,” Heipt said.
When officers first arrived at the scene, they told Timpa he would be OK. “We’re gonna get you some help, man,” one of the officers tells him.
But within 15 minutes, Timpa’s not breathing and Dillard can be heard saying: “I hope I didn’t kill him.”
Moments later, after the emergency medical technicians tell police he is dead, Dillard climbs out of the ambulance that holds Timpa’s lifeless body.
Dillard turns to someone before shutting off his body camera and says, “Sorry. We tried.”
I think if a white perp broke free of two cops, aimed and fired (even a taser) he can expect to get shot. I don’t disagree about the cop possibly lying about being confused. The perp fired the taser, turned and ran as the cop was in the process of firing. At that specific moment the cop had no idea if he would turn and run or charge him. Should the cop have waited to see what he would do next? Wait and possibly have a hostage situation?
It’s unfortunate that this incident took place. But to say this cop is racist is a stretch.
to claim this cop is racist because he's white is in itself racism.
Bad decision to shoot is easy to say as an armchair qb. The criminal is dead because of one person, himself. Drunk driving, resisting, stealing, assault, firing at officer and fleeing the scene. Sad the officer will be charged do to climate. Love to see him walk, and get a hefty settlement for not getting do process before dismissal thanks to a racist mayor.
Because of the racist undertones of this saying I’m sure I’ll be attacked for using it but it’s appropriate for the situation. This is going to be a ‘’lynch-mob’’ for this cops head! There is no good way for ATL. to handle this in the current atmosphere. I’ve lived there and can tell you this could turn the metro area inside-out. Cross your fingers and hold your breath on this one.
One thing I can say from years of dealing drunks and assholes, you can’t spend 20 min. trying to reason with them. After 5 min. they think they have you fooled and when it doesn’t go their way; they will overreact.
Be polite, calm and firm. The cops only mistake was not cuffing him earlier, he’d be alive right now if the had secured the suspect sooner.
The only ‘’climate change’’ you should be worried about is the political climate we are in now.
DFW Club and BLM are absolutely right with these riots compounding the risks of Corvid 19 which continues to cripple the economy. So much for social distancing and so much consumer confidence and economic recovery. Basically we are fucked
He got what he deserved.
Stupid ass protesters probably burned black employees out of their jobs (as if Wendy’s had anything to do with a fucking drunk passing out behind the wheel) for a dumb ass who provoked it.
Glad he’s dead!
Too bad the third bullet missed... would have been nice if it exited his face so the family couldn’t have an open casket to see the fucking dummy one last time!
And they wonder why the prisons are so populated by a majority?
He aimed a weapon at a cop!
You would be shot just as easily if you lacked common fucking sense.
And before you sing the battle cry of the unintelligent, and claim it is a non lethal weapon, it’s an incapacitating weapon, a cop incapacitated on the ground pissing his pants because of electrical current... is a dead fucking cop!!!
That idiot lacked the common sense to be in society, he was going one of two places, prison, or the grave.
Dumbshit chose the grave!
Good another worthless piece of shit gone.
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Tony Timpa died in August 2016 at age 32. 
