Has Obamacare reached its goal of 7 million sign ups?

[Jackie S]

The big question is, "how many actually now have health insurance"?

I think we had all better wait and see how many checks clear the bank.

[boardman]

What is troubling about that 7 million (actually 6 million) threshold is that we don't and won't know for a while who is enrolled. For some reason pundits seem to agree that 6 million individuals is where enrollment would have to be to prevent any form of repeal. I guess they feel that is where the plan becomes sustainable but...
65 Million people voted Democrat in the 2012 general election. 7 million have signed up for ACA. 10%. Ok some of the states have their own exchange so maybe it's 14 million that have signed up. Some of those are bound to be people who voted Republican though so for a good round number let's say that 10 million 2012 Democratic voters have signed up or about 1 in 6. Why haven't they all signed up. This is what they voted to keep. 60% of people 18-29 voted democrat but those don't appear to be the people signing up.
Here's where things get really fucked up. From video I saw at different places where people were standing in line it didn't appear to be young 20 somethings doing the waiting. Now maybe they are more computer savvy and signed up on line but I personally know several young people(25-35) that have chosen to pay the $95 fine next year rather than the $150/month premium. In three years that fine is projected to increase to around $700 but if young healthy people aren't signing up then taxes or "fines" will have to increase AND cost controls will have to be put in place. So sustainability is very subjective. Liberals would argue, I guess, that as long as the government can keep printing money and paying the bills it is sustainable. Conservatives feel like it should pay it's own way in order to be considered sustainable. The ride is just going to get bumpier and the fat cats in DC will find plenty of ways to keep getting fatter.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by boardman

65 Million people voted Democrat in the 2012 general election. 7 million have signed up for ACA. 10%.

You're missing one key ingredient. There were a significant percentage of the 65 million individuals who voted for Obama that already had a "Pre-Obamacare" health care plans in place. Thus, there was no need for them to purchase another policy

Those individuals should be included over and above the referenced 10% figure.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by boardman

What is troubling about that 7 million (actually 6 million) threshold is that we don't and won't know for a while who is enrolled. For some reason pundits seem to agree that 6 million individuals is where enrollment would have to be to prevent any form of repeal. I guess they feel that is where the plan becomes sustainable but...
65 Million people voted Democrat in the 2012 general election. 7 million have signed up for ACA. 10%. Ok some of the states have their own exchange so maybe it's 14 million that have signed up. Some of those are bound to be people who voted Republican though so for a good round number let's say that 10 million 2012 Democratic voters have signed up or about 1 in 6. Why haven't they all signed up. This is what they voted to keep. 60% of people 18-29 voted democrat but those don't appear to be the people signing up.
Here's where things get really fucked up. From video I saw at different places where people were standing in line it didn't appear to be young 20 somethings doing the waiting. Now maybe they are more computer savvy and signed up on line but I personally know several young people(25-35) that have chosen to pay the $95 fine next year rather than the $150/month premium. In three years that fine is projected to increase to around $700 but if young healthy people aren't signing up then taxes or "fines" will have to increase AND cost controls will have to be put in place. So sustainability is very subjective. Liberals would argue, I guess, that as long as the government can keep printing money and paying the bills it is sustainable. Conservatives feel like it should pay it's own way in order to be considered sustainable. The ride is just going to get bumpier and the fat cats in DC will find plenty of ways to keep getting fatter.

I suppose I would agree, but conservatives paying their own way is bullshit

2 wars
increasing defense spending in every budget
and 3 sets of tax cuts come to mind

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The big question is, "how many actually now have health insurance"?

I think we had all better wait and see how many checks clear the bank.

In February Kathleen Sebelius said that as high as 20% of those signing up didn't pay the premiums.

As of March 12 four of the largest insurance companies estimated that 15-20 still had not paid.

My guess is that number is going to come in around 10%. I can't find any statistics on the percentage of people that don't pay their bills to compare that to.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I suppose I would agree, but conservatives paying their own way is bullshit

2 wars
increasing defense spending in every budget
and 3 sets of tax cuts come to mind

Perhaps you meant Republicans.
I realize that in this free for all forum it is typical for comments to be misread at best or totally twisted out of proportion. The meaning of my statement was that in order for this fiasco to be self sustainable conservatives feel like the ACA needs to take in the same amount of money that it pays out. Administrative costs, of course, have to be taken into consideration. In response to your comment though. My definition of conservatism doesn't necessarily line up with the Republican party platform. There are maybe a handful of what I would consider Constitutional Conservatives in DC if that.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by bigtex

You're missing one key ingredient. There were a significant percentage of the 65 million individuals who voted for Obama that already had a "Pre-Obamacare" health care plans in place. Thus, there was no need for them to purchase another policy

Those individuals should be included over and above the referenced 10% figure.

That's a valid point. I need to research that a bit.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by boardman

Perhaps you meant Republicans.
I realize that in this free for all forum it is typical for comments to be misread at best or totally twisted out of proportion. The meaning of my statement was that in order for this fiasco to be self sustainable conservatives feel like the ACA needs to take in the same amount of money that it pays out. Administrative costs, of course, have to be taken into consideration. In response to your comment though. My definition of conservatism doesn't necessarily line up with the Republican party platform. There are maybe a handful of what I would consider Constitutional Conservatives in DC if that.

no I meant conservatives too ... these days

[Yssup Rider]

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT.

The "Sbuttering" RWW idiots around here drone on day in and day out.

Do you honestly think you're going to change anybody's mind?

OK, I guess "honestly" was too harsh a word...

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by boardman

What is troubling about that 7 million (actually 6 million) threshold is that we don't and won't know for a while who is enrolled. For some reason pundits seem to agree that 6 million individuals is where enrollment would have to be to prevent any form of repeal. I guess they feel that is where the plan becomes sustainable but...
65 Million people voted Democrat in the 2012 general election. 7 million have signed up for ACA. 10%. Ok some of the states have their own exchange so maybe it's 14 million that have signed up. Some of those are bound to be people who voted Republican though so for a good round number let's say that 10 million 2012 Democratic voters have signed up or about 1 in 6. Why haven't they all signed up. This is what they voted to keep. 60% of people 18-29 voted democrat but those don't appear to be the people signing up.
Here's where things get really fucked up. From video I saw at different places where people were standing in line it didn't appear to be young 20 somethings doing the waiting. Now maybe they are more computer savvy and signed up on line but I personally know several young people(25-35) that have chosen to pay the $95 fine next year rather than the $150/month premium. In three years that fine is projected to increase to around $700 but if young healthy people aren't signing up then taxes or "fines" will have to increase AND cost controls will have to be put in place. So sustainability is very subjective. Liberals would argue, I guess, that as long as the government can keep printing money and paying the bills it is sustainable. Conservatives feel like it should pay it's own way in order to be considered sustainable. The ride is just going to get bumpier and the fat cats in DC will find plenty of ways to keep getting fatter.

Why do you expect 65 million people to sign up for health insurance in the individual market when there are only about 46 million who are uninsured? According to the projections by the CBO taken in March 2012 the number of uninsured is about 46 million in 2014. See Table 3 in the link.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...0Estimates.pdf


The ACA and Part D are entitlements. They are not going to pay for themselves. The ACA will cost 1 Trillion over 10 years. Part D will cost 800 billion over 10 years.

The ACA is two parts. The private (Obamacare) Plans sold on the government exchanges and the EXPANDED Medicaid for the states that excepted it. The Expanded Medicaid means that a state will put a family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 on their State Medicaid program. A family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 does not qualify for an Obamacare private plan.

So, from the graph the CBO estimates that for year 2014, 8 million people will sign up for health insurance on the exchanges and 13 million people would qualify for the Expanded State Medicaid.

The health insurance companies will continue to sell health insurance on the exchanges as long as they can make a profit. This will depend on the makeup of the risk pool (the ratio of healthy to unhealthy people). So far there are about 7.1 million in the pool.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

What thinking person would put trust in the propaganda and lies that are promoted by Team Obama....

well one thing we know for certain, 7 Million Americans do. Now 7Million just can't be wrong, right lol.

[CuteOldGuy]

This administration does not have a good track record for telling the truth. I'll wait until there is some independent confirmation. Besides, if they are telling the truth, so what? It's still a gigantic clusterfuck.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by timpage

Yes, the clever response when faced with any statistic or fact that cuts against your argument.....LIES. ALL LIES!!!!

Dunce.

The statistic is suspect. Even the Obama administration has admitted it doesn't know 1) how many people have paid and 2) how many people had insurance the previous year. When questioned about the first day of signup Sebelius didn't know how many people had signed up but it was reported that she knew the number was less than 200. Does anyone know of anyone who has signed up in the last month? I don't. I even asked my 20-something kids.

Dunce.

Originally Posted by boardman

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My guess is that number is going to come in around 10%. I can't find any statistics on the percentage of people that don't pay their bills to compare that to.

My guess is more people actually drop out of Obamacare than that. Unless the insurance companies go to great lengths NOT to drop people for nonpayment.

[gnadfly]

I heard that all 228 passangers from Flight MH370 signed up for Obamacare yesterday. It's "the Chicago way."

[Yssup Rider]

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT...

Wait a minute, I'm not finished whining ....