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Old 02-28-2013, 01:11 PM   #16
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how does Obamacare work ?

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

apparently theres a select few who insist on remaining total idiots ...

study up, pop quiz YESTERDAY 8am sharp !
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:20 PM   #17
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We have been sold down the river. The Democrats lied about Obamacare from day one. The cost was certified by the CBO to be below one trillion dollars before it was passed. Then two years later the CBO says it's going to be closer to three trillion dollars. That's not an honest mistake; that's fraud.

Every politician that participated in passing this monstrosity should be removed from office and put in prison, starting with Obama.
You've got me wondering now if the National Debt is really nothing but a hoax and Obamacare is nothing but an elaborate scam under the guise of " Health Care" because that sounds so nice and good and benefits all.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:23 PM   #18
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how does Obamacare work ?

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

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Yeah I read that before. Sounds dam good on paper doesn't it. We'll see how it all plays out.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:53 PM   #19
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Based on what? You last tax return. You last pay stub? What? What is the provision for loosing your job. What if your spouse looses their job and that job was needed to meet your monthly bills, but you are still over the $14,400 a year in income? Then what?
I haven't studied the law as extensively as others have, but presumably since the penalty is based on your income and kicks in essentially as an additional tax, I would presume that it's based off of your tax return.


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It's easy to sit around and demand everyone have insurance when you work for a company that supplies insurance as a benny or if you're generationally poor and everything's just handed to you like it was your great-grandparents, grandparents, parents, you and now your kids.



Why should poor people get free health care and the middle class doesn't? Of the people on welfare now, how many generations into the past do you think have been on welfare? How is the physical well being of the poor more important than the middle class that can't afford health care or health insurance? Answer these questions in any way other than: The poor are just going to stay poor, and he middle class are going to be taxed. And maybe, just maybe it will stop fucking GALLING hard working Americans that liberals think that the lives of sponges are more important than the backs of the working and middle classes. Maybe, but not likely.

HEALTH CARE ISN'T A RIGHT! As a wealthy nation we have a duty to see that all people are covered - minus heroic care for end of life and beginning of life - but it's not a right. Everybody should have access to reasonable healthcare or no one. Poor people aren't any more special than middle class people.
First, I think you may be mistaking my previous post as some sort of advocacy on the merits of the AHA. It was not intended that way, but as a clarification to the OP's questions and to highlight the differences between Medicare and Medicaid.

I do think it's particularly sad that we tout ourselves as a shining beacon of first world countries but we can't even do things like provide affordable health care to all of our citizens (which many other countries have been able to do while keeping costs down). I would love to see affordable health coverage for everyone, but given that we're not going to do that anytime soon, I believe we should focus our efforts first on covering those who have the hardest time getting coverage on their own.

Second, I don't believe in an all or nothing system. Like most things, our health care system is a work in progress. Very few things on as large a scale as national health care, in the private nor public sector, ever go perfectly the first time - adjustments always have to be made. In our current situation, our society has deemed that it is better to cover those who need it the most (those who can afford it the least) as our first priority. Yes, someone's going to have to pay for it and currently, unfortunately the majority of that burden falls to the middle class (note the upper class, while making a much higher % of our income these days, doesn't actually pay that much of the burden).

Yes, there will always be some poor people who will choose to stay in their current situation, sad as it is. However, I would like to believe that there are those who aren't happy with the way their current state is and are trying to move up out of it and those are the ones we should be giving a hand up.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:59 PM   #20
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Yeah I read that before. Sounds dam good on paper doesn't it. We'll see how it all plays out.
I'm sure there will be problems with implementation as well as other unforseen issues.

However, we know the status quo isn't working and sitting around doing nothing is definitely not going to fix the problem.
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:05 PM   #21
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If we can find money to give healthcare to the poor, we can find it for the middle class.

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So yo are for free health care to all but the rich?

What do you have aganist the rich?

Your logic makes no sense to me. You seem to think we all deserve free health care but it isn't a right. Whatever that means....

Can someone that makes sense of Olivia's posts , please try and explain it to me.



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Still, waiting to hear what you have against the middle class.
I said I would rather be middle class than poor. How is that having something aganist the middle class?
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:26 PM   #22
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So yo are for free health care to all but the rich?

What do you have aganist the rich?

Your logic makes no sense to me. You seem to think we all deserve free health care but it isn't a right. Whatever that means....

Can someone that makes sense of Olivia's posts , please try and explain it to me.



I said I would rather be middle class than poor. How is that having something aganist the middle class?
We've been through this before. I'm for free healthcare for all who want it. I believe in a single payer system. I hope this has simplified it enough for you.
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:37 PM   #23
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I'm sure there will be problems with implementation as well as other unforseen issues.

However, we know the status quo isn't working and sitting around doing nothing is definitely not going to fix the problem.
Obamacare is designed to destroy the private healthcare system. Socialized medicine has been Obama's goal from the beginning.

The justification for Obamacare was the fact that a relatively small percentage of people did not have health insurance. After Obamacare is fully implemented we still won't have health insurance for everyone, and we'll be bankrupt.
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:47 PM   #24
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We have been sold down the river. The Democrats lied about Obamacare from day one. The cost was certified by the CBO to be below one trillion dollars before it was passed. Then two years later the CBO says it's going to be closer to three trillion dollars. That's not an honest mistake; that's fraud.
That pretty much describes all Government programs. If you disagree, name one that did not end up costing more than its projections.
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:59 PM   #25
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That pretty much describes all Government programs. If you disagree, name one that did not end up costing more than its projections.
I think the only one that hasn't cost more than the initial estimates may be Medicare Part D. It's actual costs have come in below projections, somewhere between twenty eight and forty percent. Other than that, they all cost dramatically more than original estimates. We're being played for fools.

The old saying is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. The American people get fooled over and over again. It's like we have amnesia.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3775

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nder-budget-b/
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Good call Joe. Anyone else?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nder-budget-b/
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Next, why is it under budget? Santorum says it was because of the program's design, because it was a private-sector operated plan.

One reason it came in under budget is fairly straightforward: Not as many people signed up for the benefit as the government expected. The government projected that about 93 percent of people who use Medicare would also sign up for the prescription drug benefit. But actual enrollment is only at about 77 percent of those eligible, a significant difference. It's not clear why fewer people signed up -- whether they didn't know about the program, didn't need it or for some other reason. But it's hard to say for sure, and we couldn't find any studies on the matter.
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I must disclose that I have been in the tax advice/counsel/preparation business for 30 years. I have told all my clients that neither they, nor their CPA, have the level of sophistication and administrative staff required to comply with the law. Therefore, DO NOT HIRE employee # 50!! (that is "full time equivalent" employee # 50, of course). As I understand it, less than 50 employees and the employer is exempt from compliance - the law doesn't apply! Talk about an excuse to shrink the economy!!
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:37 PM   #28
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I must disclose that I have been in the tax advice/counsel/preparation business for 30 years. I have told all my clients that neither they, nor their CPA, have the level of sophistication and administrative staff required to comply with the law. Therefore, DO NOT HIRE employee # 50!! (that is "full time equivalent" employee # 50, of course). As I understand it, less than 50 employees and the employer is exempt from compliance - the law doesn't apply! Talk about an excuse to shrink the economy!!
Problem is . . . Obamacare has redefined “full-time” employee.

"'Full-time' is defined as 30 hours or more per week, or 120 hours or more per month." http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...art-time-jobs/
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...As I understand it, less than 50 employees and the employer is exempt from compliance - the law doesn't apply! Talk about an excuse to shrink the economy!!
Although I'm not in the tax advice business, that's my understanding as well.

At least in that regard, we seem to be taking little steps toward becoming more like a giant France. (Although with far less good food.)

Here's one reason why:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...oyee-companies
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We've been through this before. I'm for free healthcare for all who want it. I believe in a single payer system. I hope this has simplified it enough for you.
Well ok...but it just makes no sense to say it isn't a right then say everybody should have it. Those two statements are not linear.That was my point/question.


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HEALTH CARE ISN'T A RIGHT! As a wealthy nation we have a duty to see that all people are covered - minus heroic care for end of life and beginning of life - but it's not a right. Everybody should have access to reasonable healthcare or no one. Poor people aren't any more special than middle class people.
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