By their fruits ye shall know them...

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

And big business Telcom companies cooperate with LE to provide cellphone locations to murders, rapists and other criminals to associate them with the crime scene.


They are not part of the "enforcement arm", but merely providing data that prosecutors may use to present to a jury for judgement.

Some businesses are smart and know when the better business decision (from their profit motive as we all respect, presumably)is to cooperate with non-warrant requests.

Some criminals are smart and know how to not leave a paper or minimal electronic trail. As Forrest Gump said "Stupid is as stupid does". If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Originally Posted by reddog1951

"I will say that providing information to prevent a further crime is one thing but to provide information when it has not been adjudicated that a crime even occurred is something else."

It's called gathering evidence. LE does it all the time...it's basically their job.

I think you need to walk this back. this is not a good look from you.

LE gathering evidence based on what??? as barley says, gathering info on a crime is one thing. a non-crime/non-event/person is a different matter.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

ministry of truth bill? that has to be a joke.

The headline seems searchable. You know how the J6 was festered with government agitators, infiltrators, conductors, aka handlers and what not? Pfffftttz, that peanuts compared to how many actual and former Feds have infiltrated social media. Not even counting all the other agencies and supposedly non affiliated groups. You can Googlie search: Twitter Files

So it's one thing to listen in - and listen in they do. Edward Snowden showed us a peek behind the curtain. Then turning around and censoring or banning voices that they don't like. And then there is old bag Hellery and Obamma who only want you to listen to "approved" news outlet of their choosing.

The vacuum then gets turned up to turbo mode and now the government wants all the banking records (papers) and other forms of communication. Does anyone believe that the IRS sucking bank account info is a good thing? Anyone excited to get their 1099-Ks next year? Because it won't just be the elite that get them.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Our leftist friends want to allow unreasonable searches in the pursuit of a possible crime. Sounds like Beria to me..."show me the man and I'll show you the crime"

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Our leftist friends want to allow unreasonable searches in the pursuit of a possible crime. Sounds like Beria to me..."show me the man and I'll show you the crime"

We should amend the Constitution to prohibit unreasonable search and seizures. That should fix the problem. Oh hell's bells, we pretty much did A-N_D without it we wouldn't even have a Constitution. Go figure...

From the questionable folk at Wikipedia:

...The Fourth Amendment was introduced in Congress in 1789 by James Madison, along with the other amendments in the Bill of Rights, in response to Anti-Federalist objections to the new Constitution. Congress submitted the amendment to the states on September 28, 1789. By December 15, 1791, the necessary three-fourths of the states had ratified it. On March 1, 1792, Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson announced that it was officially part of the Constitution....

Side question: They do still teach this stuff in school. Right?