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01-26-2019, 07:59 AM
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Really....do you say that because of the Trump oil embargo on Iran?![Wavetowel2](https://cdn-w.eccie.net/images/smilies/modern/wavetowel2.gif)
Oh wait , there is no oil embargo. Trump is just extending the Obama policy. Which I have no problem with. We should have stabilized relations with Iran long ago.
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The Iranians played Odumbo like a cheap fiddle.
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Trump reimposes sanctions on Iran.
(WaPo)
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01-26-2019, 08:02 AM
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The Iranians played Odumbo like a cheap fiddle.
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And that cheap fiddle is still playing! ![Nopity](https://cdn-w.eccie.net/images/smilies/modern/nopity.gif)
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01-26-2019, 08:07 AM
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Trump's sanctions are still playing, and Odumbo's legacy is a mere shadow withering under the harsh light of reality.
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01-26-2019, 08:16 AM
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Trump's sanctions are still playing, and Odumbo's legacy is a mere shadow withering under the harsh light of reality.
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HaHa...sanctions that do not include oil are not sanctions.
Be like fining the New England Patriots and still letting Brady use deflated footballs!
I still hear that fiddle playing.
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01-26-2019, 08:19 AM
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HaHa...sanctions that do not include oil are not sanctions.
Be like fining the New England Patriots and still letting Brady use deflated footballs!
I still hear that fiddle playing.
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Trump's sanctions trump Odumbo's gift of billions, and Odumbo's legacy is a whiff of smoke caught in the grasp of the harsh wind of reality.
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01-26-2019, 08:21 AM
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Trump's sanctions trump Odumbo's gift of billions, and Odumbo's legacy is a whiff of smoke caught in the grasp of the harsh wind of reality.
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I still hear that fiddle playing!
Starting to sound like a broken record!
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01-26-2019, 08:23 AM
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I still hear that fiddle playing!
Starting to sound like a broken record!
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The only broken record would be those trying to defend Odumbo's legacy after Iran played him like a cheap fiddle.
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01-26-2019, 08:26 AM
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The only broken record would be those trying to defend Odumbo's legacy after Iran played him like a cheap fiddle.
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I still hear that fiddle playing....
Nothing to defend...I was for the deal and I'm for Trump not doing any oil sanctions to Iran.
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01-26-2019, 08:28 AM
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I still hear that fiddle playing....
Nothing to defend...I was for the deal and I'm for Trump not doing any oil sanctions to Iran.
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Iran is continuing its nuclear weapons program, and the screeching you hear is the sound of of Odumbo's legacy being shredded by Iran's treachery.
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01-26-2019, 08:31 AM
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Iran is continuing its nuclear weapons program, and the screeching you hear is the sound of of Odumbo's legacy being shredded by Iran's treachery.
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If so...they are continuing it under Trump.
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01-26-2019, 08:35 AM
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If so...they are continuing it under Trump.
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Trump reimposed sanctions even as Odumbo's legacy withers.
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01-26-2019, 08:49 AM
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Okay and your point Iran has been doing what they want - always it was just an Odumbo political stunt
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01-26-2019, 10:18 AM
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I B, Could you please explain how Obama enabled Iran. Honestly, I don't know nearly as much about this as you, or probably as much as the poster whose name I refuse to mention, because he professes to be a Libertarian when he's only three-quarters Libertarian.
This is my impression. The agreement that Obama and others negotiated appeared to potentially give us 10 more years before they'd have nukes. Given the political and economic situation in Iran, in 10 years we could be in a totally different world. The Revolutionary Guard could be history. We and the rest of the free world may have relatively good relations with Iran. The only real alternative, if you absolutely didn't want them to have nukes, appeared to be a land invasion of the country. Sanctions didn't prevent an economic has been like North Korea from getting nukes and they weren't going to prevent Iran either.
Also you mentioned the money Obama sent to them on a plane. My impression is that this is money that we stole from Iran and were returning.
You can probably poke holes in this, if you're so disposed.
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01-26-2019, 10:45 AM
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I B, Could you please explain how Obama enabled Iran. Honestly, I don't know nearly as much about this as you, or probably as much as the poster whose name I refuse to mention, because he professes to be a Libertarian when he's only three-quarters Libertarian.
This is my impression. The agreement that Obama and others negotiated appeared to potentially give us 10 more years before they'd have nukes. Given the political and economic situation in Iran, in 10 years we could be in a totally different world. The Revolutionary Guard could be history. We and the rest of the free world may have relatively good relations with Iran. The only real alternative, if you absolutely didn't want them to have nukes, appeared to be a land invasion of the country.
Also you mentioned the money Obama sent to them on a plane. My impression is that this is money that we stole from Iran and were returning.
You can probably poke holes in this, if you're so disposed.
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It's simple. Odumbo lied about what he accomplished, and Iran lied about being in compliance. Odumbo ended the crippling sanctions against Iran and paid Iran off with $1.7 billion in cash.
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No evidence Iran abandoned nuclear weapons program
Experts say that despite claims and 2015 nuclear deal, there is no evidence Tehran ever abandoned its atomic weapons program.
The material studied by the ISIS team “conclusively shows that the Parchin site did house high explosive chambers capable for use in nuclear weapons research and development.”
The conclusions in the report contradict an IAEA report from December 2015 which stated that the Agency assessed that Iran’s activities at Parchin “did not advance beyond feasibility and scientific studies, and the acquisition of certain relevant technical competencies and capabilities.”
The faulty conclusions of the IAEA were to blame on a lack of access to Parchin and the fact that IAEA inspectors only examined one of the buildings there while the Iranians were allowed to take samples of the ground which were then examined by the Agency in Vienna.
Iran also refused to answer all the questions about Parchin raised by the IAEA.
(Arut Sheva)
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Iran Was Closer to a Nuclear Bomb Than Intelligence Agencies Thought
If Tehran pulls out of the 2015 deal, it could have a weapon in a matter of months.
Iran would still need to produce weapons-grade uranium. If it restarts its centrifuges, it could have enough in about seven to 12 months.
(Foreign Policy)
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01-26-2019, 11:44 AM
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