Palestine

[ICU 812]

I am under the impression that most if not all "Arabs" came from the southern coastal portion of what is now called the Arabian Peninsula sometime after the emergence of Islam in the 600s AD/CE.

In the late Bronze Age era of the Jewish Exodus, the area they settled in had been variously occupied and ruled by the Hittites from what is now Turkey and the Egyptians. . . .neither of those peoples have ever been considered to be "Arabs".

[ICU 812]

OK, I think I need to repost this now:

Originally Posted by ICU 812

The History Of Palestine


1)Before the modern state of Israel there was the British mandate, Not a Palestinian state .
2) Before the British mandate there was the ottoman empire, Not a Palestinian state .
3) Before the ottoman empire there was the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt, Not a Palestinian state .
4)Before the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt there was the ayyubid dynasty, Not a Palestinian state .Godfrey of bouillon conquered it in 1099.
5) Before the ayyubid dynasty there was the christian kingdom of Jerusalem, Not a Palestinian state .
6) Before the christian kingdom of Jerusalem there was the Fatimid caliphate, Not a Palestinian state .
7) Before the Fatimid caliphate there was the byzantine empire, Not a Palestinian state .
Before the byzantine empire there was the Roman empire, Not a Palestinian state .
9) Before the Roman empire there was the hasmonean dynasty, Not a Palestinian state .
10)Before the hasmonean dynasty there was the Seleucid empire,Not a Palestinian state .
11) Before the Seleucid empire there was the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon, Not a Palestinian state .
12) Before the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon there was the Persian empire, Not a Palestinian state .
13) Before the Persian empire there was the Babylonian empire, Not a Palestinian state .
14) Before the Babylonian empire there was the kingdoms of Israel and Judea, Not a Palestinian state .
15) Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judea there was the kingdom of Israel, Not a Palestinian state .
16) Before the kingdom of Israel there was the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel, Not a Palestinian state .
17) Before the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel there was the area kn own generally as Canaan, Not a Palestinian state .


In fact, in this corner of the earth there was everything but a Palestinian state

[VitaMan]

Borders were pretty much determined by war spoils and annexation up until the beginning of the 20th century. The area of Palestine would likely have been annexed by the war victors too, except the period of colonization was near its end.


Even so, it came close to that. It was only the objection from the USA that prevented it.

[ICU 812]

Please re-read the previous post carefully.

There has never been a Palestine. While the Romans called the Jewish Kingdome of the first century AD/CE "Palestine", the Jews there never did.

[VitaMan]

You are mistaken. There was a region called Palestine. If you are saying the Jews there never called an area named Palestine, that does not mean it did not exist. Dozens of official documents refer to a region called Palestine. Do those need to be shown to you ?



There was never a state called Palestine. You presented a nice list....twice. No idea what you are trying to present further.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Likely you are mistaken here. Not a state as it is defined today.

The concept of a "Nation State" is quite recent in history. Until the modern era (however you want to define that), I think only Ancient Athens was even close to the modern concept of a nation. That lasted for less than 100 years from about 500 BC/CE to 400 BC/CE

At the time the Roman Empire conquered all of that region, the Jews were ruled by a King. . . .as were about everyone else. If not a "King", then an "Emperor."

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

There was never a state called Palestine. You presented a nice list....twice. No idea what you are trying to present further.

I reposted the list a second time because several posts following my first list seemed to not have read it the first time.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

77% of the region known as Palestine was provisioned for the creation of Arab states. The Arab leaders agreed to this.

However after Israel formally declared statehood, 5 Arab states attacked it the next day.

It's not that way now is it.

[VitaMan]

What percentage is it now ? Please research and report your findings. Would a good estimate be
75% of the region known as Palestine is now with the Arab states ?

The West Bank was included in the 23% mandate for the creation of a Jewish state. The Arabs attacked and occupied it. Years later they were driven out - I believe it was 19 years later.

The Gaza strip was part of the original mandate. Thanks to Egypt's Nasser, it became a war zone along with the Suez Canal. Fortunately for him, Israel gave back the Sinai peninsula.

The Golan heights is occupied by Israel as a security measure, to keep the Arabs from lobbing shells into Israel.


The fact is that if the Arab states had not kept attacking Israel, the mandate of 1922 would have remained.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

It's not that way now is it.

Actually yes it is.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

What percentage is it now ? Please research and report your findings. Would a good estimate be
75% of the region known as Palestine is now with the Arab states ?

The West Bank was included in the 23% mandate for the creation of a Jewish state. The Arabs attacked and occupied it. Years later they were driven out - I believe it was 19 years later.

The Gaza strip was part of the original mandate. Thanks to Egypt's Nasser, it became a war zone along with the Suez Canal. Fortunately for him, Israel gave back the Sinai peninsula.

The Golan heights is occupied by Israel as a security measure, to keep the Arabs from lobbing shells into Israel.


The fact is that if the Arab states had not kept attacking Israel, the mandate of 1922 would have remained.

Iam referring to what is known as Israel. Before 1947 most of that area was occupied by Arabs, there were some Jews and even Christians. Seventy Five Years later more of the region is occupied by Jews or so called Jews and the Arab population is dwindling by the day.

[VitaMan]

No idea what your posts or train of thought mean anymore.

You questioned this: 77% of the region known as Palestine was provisioned for the creation of Arab states.
With this: It's not that way now is it.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

No idea what your posts or train of thought mean anymore.

You questioned this: 77% of the region known as Palestine was provisioned for the creation of Arab states.
With this: It's not that way now is it.

At this point and time does really matter?

[VitaMan]

Are you referring to your posts and train of thought ? There is not much use to reply to your posts anyway.

[ICU 812]

The bottom line to most of this is that there is no Palestine and there has never been a Palestine.

The Jews had a homeland with Jeru slime its capitol up through the Roman destruction of the Temple around 70 AD. They have a homeland now, with their capitol in Jerusalem again.

If anyone thinks that will ever change, I suggest that they re-read the Old Testament story of Sampson. I think it is in the Book of Judges, but I am not a Tora scholar.