Racist Trump and the fallen military.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I don’t know your background but I would bet that General John Kelly has more education about military history than you do.

He’s a highly qualified individual who has worked in the military and public service for most of his life.

He has degrees from multiple institutions.
University of Massachusetts Boston (BA)
Georgetown University (MA)
National Defense University (MS)

If he says that Trump has fascist tendencies I would tend to believe that he knows what he is talking about. If you are going to compare him to a skidrow bum be prepared to back up your claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kelly

"I said, 'Do you mean the kaiser's generals? Surely you can't mean Hitler's generals? And he said, 'Yeah, yeah, Hitler's generals.' I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler," Kelly recalled.


Rommel opposed assassinating Hitler. it would have made Hitler a martyr. Rommel wanted Hitler arrested and face trial for his crimes. Rommel also wanted Hitler to sue for peace with the Allies. Rommel had no role whatsoever with Operation Valkyrie. you won't find one reference to Rommel here


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie


if Kelly is so knowledgeable on military history he'd know that and that Rommel was falsely implicated and only chose suicide because he knew he'd get a Drumhead court-martial something else Kelly should know about. and Rommel was assured his family would not be harmed if he committed suicide.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

"I said, 'Do you mean the kaiser's generals? Surely you can't mean Hitler's generals? And he said, 'Yeah, yeah, Hitler's generals.' I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler," Kelly recalled.

Rommel opposed assassinating Hitler. it would have made Hitler a martyr. Rommel wanted Hitler arrested and face trial for his crimes. Rommel also wanted Hitler to sue for peace with the Allies. Rommel had no role whatsoever with Operation Valkyrie. you won't find one reference to Rommel here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie

if Kelly is so knowledgeable on military history he'd know that and that Rommel was falsely implicated and only chose suicide because he knew he'd get a Drumhead court-martial something else Kelly should know about. and Rommel was assured his family would not be harmed if he committed suicide.

The extent of Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel's involvement in the military's resistance against Hitler or the 20 July plot is difficult to ascertain, as most of the leaders who were directly involved did not survive and limited documentation on the conspirators' plans and preparations exists. Historians' opinions on this matter vary greatly.
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Thus, Rommel's participation remains ambiguous and the perception of it largely has its source in the subsequent events (especially Rommel's forced suicide) and the accounts by surviving participants.[87]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

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But neither of our posts about Rommell, an attempt to change the subject by the way, is relevant. What is relevant is that John Kelly is a highly regarded, respected military officer and public servant that tells us that Trump is not fit to be President of the United States.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The extent of Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel's involvement in the military's resistance against Hitler or the 20 July plot is difficult to ascertain, as most of the leaders who were directly involved did not survive and limited documentation on the conspirators' plans and preparations exists. Historians' opinions on this matter vary greatly.
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Thus, Rommel's participation remains ambiguous and the perception of it largely has its source in the subsequent events (especially Rommel's forced suicide) and the accounts by surviving participants.[87]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

congratulations. you just proved Kelly wrong. at best Rommel was aware of a plot but did not actively participate. Kelly claimed, falsely, Rommel did actively participate. He did not.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

"I said, 'Do you mean the kaiser's generals? Surely you can't mean Hitler's generals? And he said, 'Yeah, yeah, Hitler's generals.' I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler," Kelly recalled.


Rommel opposed assassinating Hitler. it would have made Hitler a martyr. Rommel wanted Hitler arrested and face trial for his crimes. Rommel also wanted Hitler to sue for peace with the Allies. Rommel had no role whatsoever with Operation Valkyrie. you won't find one reference to Rommel here


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Valkyrie


if Kelly is so knowledgeable on military history he'd know that and that Rommel was falsely implicated and only chose suicide because he knew he'd get a Drumhead court-martial something else Kelly should know about. and Rommel was assured his family would not be harmed if he committed suicide.

You are correct, you don't find Rommel mentioned in your link. But he is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

congratulations. you just proved Kelly wrong. at best Rommel was aware of a plot but did not actively participate. Kelly claimed, falsely, Rommel did actively participate. He did not.

No, the documentation doesn’t exist that proves it either way. Another attempt to change the narrative. The point of this article is that Trump wants his military leaders to be loyal only to him and not the constitution.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

You are correct, you don't find Rommel mentioned in your link. But he is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

read your proof. it's ambiguous at best and then there is this ...


What is not debated are the results of the failed bomb plot of 20 July. Many conspirators were arrested and the dragnet expanded to thousands.[96] Consequently, it did not take long for Rommel to come under suspicion. He was primarily implicated through his connection to Kluge.[87] Rommel's name also came up in confessions made under torture by Stülpnagel and Hofacker, and was included in Goerdeler's papers on a list of potential supporters.[97][98] Hofacker confessed that Rommel had agreed to demand for Hitler to step down, and if he refused, Rommel would join the other conspirators in deposing Hitler. Rommel was also planned to become a member of the post-Hitler government in papers drawn up by Goerdeler.[99]


as General Kelly should know ... torture is a unreliable means of extracting information as people will say anything to end the torture.


Kelly is wrong.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

read your proof. it's ambiguous at best and then there is this ...


What is not debated are the results of the failed bomb plot of 20 July. Many conspirators were arrested and the dragnet expanded to thousands.[96] Consequently, it did not take long for Rommel to come under suspicion. He was primarily implicated through his connection to Kluge.[87] Rommel's name also came up in confessions made under torture by Stülpnagel and Hofacker, and was included in Goerdeler's papers on a list of potential supporters.[97][98] Hofacker confessed that Rommel had agreed to demand for Hitler to step down, and if he refused, Rommel would join the other conspirators in deposing Hitler. Rommel was also planned to become a member of the post-Hitler government in papers drawn up by Goerdeler.[99]



as General Kelly should know ... torture is a unreliable means of extracting information as people will say anything to end the torture.

Reading is fundamental... When Kelly attempted to remind Trump that the Nazi dictator's highest-ranking officials "tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off," Trump responded that "no, no, no, they were totally loyal to him."


So we can all agree that Drumpf is an idiot. That's a start.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Reading is fundamental... When Kelly attempted to remind Trump that the Nazi dictator's highest-ranking officials "tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off," Trump responded that "no, no, no, they were totally loyal to him."


So we can all agree that Drumpf is an idiot. That's a start.

then Kelly should have used anyone else BUT Rommel to make his point. you know .. like the direct conspirators.

Kelly name dropped Rommel because he figured Trump would know who Rommel was .. unlike this guy .. the real conspirator and leader of the assassination attempt ...

Claus von Stauffenberg

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

then Kelly should have used anyone else BUT Rommel to make his point. you know .. like the direct conspirators.

I’m surprised that Trump knew who General Rommel was much less any of the other generals involved.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

then Kelly should have used anyone else BUT Rommel to make his point. you know .. like the direct conspirators.

You're really reaching. Two different points he made. 1. Rommel was forced to commit suicide after a plot against Hitler (you made this point yourself). 2. Hitler's highest ranking leaders tried to kill him 3 times (also true, although the actual number of plots was probably higher).


Sunny and Windy are not mutually exclusive weather observations, both can be accurate.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I’m surprised that Trump knew who General Rommel was much less any of the other generals involved.

nonsense. Rommel was well known. even to Trump. that's why Kelly name dropped him.

no way Trump would know who this guy was ...

Claus von Stauffenberg

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

nonsense. Rommel was well known. even to Trump. that's why Kelly name dropped him.

no way Trump would know who this guy was ...

Claus von Stauffenberg

I'd agree he wouldn't know him. Drump probably only knew Rommel's name because of Hogan's Heros.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

In a prepared statement.

this "prepared statement"? sounds like a complete refutation of The Atlantic's blatant political bias

Vanessa Guillén’s sister says she voted for Trump, dismisses reported remarks about funeral costs

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...report-denied/


Mayra Guillén, whose sister was murdered in 2020, posted online in support of former President Trump and dismissed reporting from The Atlantic about the Republican presidential nominee not paying her sister’s funeral costs after reportedly promising to do so.


“Wow. I don’t appreciate how you are exploiting my sister’s death for politics- hurtful & disrespectful to the important changes she made for service members,” Guillén posted on social platform X. “President Donald Trump did nothing but show respect to my family & Vanessa. In fact, I voted for President Trump today.”


Vanessa Guillén was a 20-year-old Army private who was bludgeoned to death by another solider in 2020 at Ford Hood in Texas. Her burned remains were found two months later in a riverbank and her death sparked national outrage.


The Atlantic’s Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg published an article about Trump and his promise to pay for Guillén’s funeral costs. Trump became angry when he was informed the funeral was $60,000, the article said.


“‘It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a f‑‑‑‑‑‑ Mexican!” Goldberg reported Trump saying. “He later turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: ‘Don’t pay it!’”


The Guillén’s family attorney, Natalie Khawam, told the magazine that she sent the bill for the funeral to the White House but no money was ever received from Trump, the article said.
Khawam said in a post of her own that Goldberg misrepresented their conversation and “outright LIED in HIS sensational story.”


“More importantly, he used and exploited my clients, and Vanessa Guillén’s murder… for cheap political gain,” she wrote.


Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows denied the report and said he was in discussions featured in the article.


“Any suggestion that President Trump disparaged Ms. Guillen or refused to pay for her funeral expenses is absolutely false,” Meadows posted on X. “He was nothing but kind, gracious, and wanted to make sure that the military and the U.S. government did right by Vanessa Guillén and her family.”


In a statement reported by The Atlantic and sent by the Trump campaign to The Hill, the campaign said the reporting was “absolutely false.”


“President Donald Trump has spent his life caring for America’s military heroes…,” Trump campaign adviser Alex Pfeiffer wrote in a statement. “There has been no greater advocate for our brave military men and women than Donald J. Trump.”

[TheDaliLama]

Another Libtard fantasy. It hasn’t worked since the ride down the ride down the escalator. You are the epitome of TDS. Give up guys or seek help.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

nonsense. Rommel was well known. even to Trump. that's why Kelly name dropped him.

no way Trump would know who this guy was ...

Claus von Stauffenberg

Everybody knows that was Mr risky business Tom Cruise in Valkyrie