Did Romney Just Disqualify Himself Today?

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Sullivan is the only "conservative" I know who vigorously supported Obama in 2008.

There were plenty of others. And you would know that if you read something - anything - other than PowerLine and other hard-right websites.

I'm politically and economically conservative, and while I didn't quite support Obama in 2008, I voted Libertarian in protest, rather than vote for McCain and his nitwit VP selection.

The Republicans have now gone at least 2 Presidential elections with shitty candidates I have a hard time stomaching. They probably gone 3 elections - I held my nose and supported Bush in 2004 despite a very unconservative record with respect to spending and government power.

[WTF]

This is wtf is wrong with both parties. You can not say anything close to the truth if it is negative about your party. Look what happened to Cory Booker!

[Whirlaway]

Andrew Sullivan didn't just vote for Obama, he loudly campaigned for him...for anyone with a sane mind to call him a conservative is laughable.

Conservatives didn't actively campaign for Obama in 2008...and Where is your conservative on Obama today ???

He loves Obama.

"Which is why my support is so passionate, because Obama is, in my view, the conservative reformist of my dreams. "
-A. Sullivan.




Andrew Sullivan is not a conservative.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Andrew Sullivan didn't just vote for Obama, he loudly campaigned for him...for anyone with a same mind to call him a conservative is laughable.

How exactly did he "campaign" for Obama?

Did he make public appearances and speeches at Obama rallies? Did he raise funds for Obama? Did he organize political action committees for Obama?

He posts his political opinions and social commentary on his blog. That is not campaigning.

If it is, then most of the posts in The Sandbox qualify as "campaigning" - which is ridiculous.

Words have meaning. Learn them.

Look, I get it that you don't like Sullivan. But that doesn't mean he is not conservative.

Maybe he is a conservative, and you are just a right-wing radical or some Ayn Rand quoting loon.

[JD Barleycorn]

So you are more concerned with what Romney said and when he said it than the fact that two acts of war have occurred and Americans have died? You are a low life piece of work X NYr. Get thee back to your birthplace. By the way, your timeline is wrong. The embassy apologized with an "official" statement whether it was approved by the White House or not it was official and it was because of the rioting. Romney commented on the rioting and the apology after it happened but before the deaths in Libya. You should be asking yourselves, where was Waldo, I mean Obama.

[Whirlaway]

The very definition of campaigning includes writing opinion columns that are disseminated around the world and read by tens if not hundreds of thousands of readers. Plus going on talk TV, radio, and other speaking engagements, all endorsing a "vote for Obama" theme.

He was a campaigner...was he a paid or official volunteer for the Obama campaign ? Probably not.

And after four years of the 1st Obama term, your "conservative" still supports Obama ?

How you can call Sullivan a conservative is laughable, especially in light of Sullivan wanting a 2nd Obama term.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

There were plenty of others. And you would know that if you read something - anything - other than PowerLine and other hard-right websites.

I'm politically and economically conservative, and while I didn't quite support Obama in 2008, I voted Libertarian in protest, rather than vote for McCain and his nitwit VP selection.

The Republicans have now gone at least 2 Presidential elections with shitty candidates I have a hard time stomaching. They probably gone 3 elections - I held my nose and supported Bush in 2004 despite a very unconservative record with respect to spending and government power.

No conservative in his right mind would vote for Obama.

Obama is a Marxist.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

No person in his right mind would vote for Obama.

Obama is a Marxist.

Fixed that for you, Joe. I hope you don't mind.

[JD Barleycorn]

Okay, you say you're a conservative from New York (snick). Help us poor yokels, who is the conservative choice that we should be looking to?


I went and looked it up, the Romney statement was made ten hours after the Cairo embassy was invaded and the flag burned. It was released two hours later. So twelve hours after an act of war occurred Romney made his statement but Obama was no where to be found. Does that tell you something?

[Guest032516]

I address this to the nitwits above, I refer you to the statement released by another Republican, John Boehner:

http://www.speaker.gov/press-release...mericans-libya

This is what Romney should have said in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The very definition of campaigning includes writing opinion columns that are disseminated around the world and read by tens if not hundreds of thousands of readers.

Really? Show me that definition. You have some special dictionary the rest of us don't have access to?

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The very definition of campaigning includes writing opinion columns that are disseminated around the world and read by tens if not hundreds of thousands of readers. Plus going on talk TV, radio, and other speaking engagements, all endorsing a "vote for Obama" theme.

ALL of those things you mentioned are what political columnists do. There JOB is to take positions and explain why. That doesn't make them campaigners. Charles Krauthammer does the exact same things in support of Romney and other Republicans. That doesn't mean he campaigns for Romney.

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

And after four years of the 1st Obama term, your "conservative" still supports Obama ?

How you can call Sullivan a conservative is laughable, especially in light of Sullivan wanting a 2nd Obama term.

Probably because he is picking the lesser of two evils. I'm sure he would prefer someone more along the lines of Ron Paul (without the weird Ayn Rand trappings) or a Barry Goldwater or a Reagan. But that kind of Republican is nowhere in sight, now is he?

I voted Libertarian last time. But this time I might vote Republican in all the House and Senate races and vote Obama for President. Why? Because there is a strong chance that both sides will have to give in and compromise and that may be the only chance we have of balancing the budget.

Gridlock worked when Clinton was in office. Time for a replay?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Andrew Sullivan is not a conservative.

And neither is Ronald Reagan anymore.

[Whirlaway]

So your defense of "Sullivan is a Conservative" hinges on the definition of "campaign" ?

"a series of coordinated activities, such as public speaking and demonstrating, designed to achieve a social, political, or commercial goal ⇒ a presidential campaign, an advertising campaign"

By definition Sullivan campaigns for his point of view every time he writes an opinion piece....and the fact that he wrote and spoke repeatedly during the 2008 campaign, in favor of voting for Obama confirms it.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Okay, you say you're a conservative from New York (snick). Help us poor yokels, who is the conservative choice that we should be looking to?

There isn't one. That's the problem.

See my post above.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

But who can blame him? I have traditionally been a Republican, but the dozen or so Republican presidential candidates this past year was the biggest collection of misfit losers I can recall in my lifetime.

Bachman? Perry? Cain? Santorum? And (in the wings) Donald Trump? Seriously?

Did I die and go to hell? Or is this just a nightmare from which I cannot awaken?

Face it: Romney was the least ugly pig.?

Nothing could be more true. However, "A day that will live in infamy" didn't wait a week, neither should this. We've been at war with these fanatics since the Iranian Crisis. It's a war of attrition, and we won't win it by praising the Arab Spring all dewie-eyed like Obama did as we are being bombed by the Arab Springers. So no, Romney didn't disgrace himself; he distinguished himself.