Mangement/Pimp

[guest010313]

I worked for an agency for a couple of months, I did pay a portion of what I made to them. But they also took photos, put up ads, and screened. You can define that as a pimp, but it was never a question of feeling pressured.


And once I got the hang of it, I went Indy. The only people who get any of my money are my hairdresser and the sales clerks at my favorite store.

As for the doubles/referral thing? Lol. I certainly don't expect a kickback if I can't see someone and they see my recommendation. Not my money, took zero effort, why should she pay me? But maybe one day she is busy or sick and she tosses my name to someone.

[Old-T]

If a person—man or woman—decides who a lady sees, how much she works, how much she charges, helps with advertisements, arranges for in-calls, makes appointments, etc., with her free consent then that is a manager or agent in my mind, regardless of what their “official” title may be. She is the employee.

If they do those things through force, intimidation, manipulation, etc., it’s a pimp in every bad connotation of the word.

If SHE chooses the schedules, decides on who the client is, how much she charges, and pays an agreed upon fee for specific services (answering phones, etc.) then she is the employer. Just because a man (or woman) is involved, or related, it doesn’t mean they are in charge (though often they are).

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by KristenDiAngelo

The internet has changed this business drastically...as you know and women of all kinds enter into it. Most of them only knowing or think that they know what they see on TV. When I started in Nevada, there were really three types of girls...1) Those with the traditional pimps...the messy kind, 2) Those with what were what I call the Real pimps...(not at all what you would ever imagine) 3) Girls like me who were called outlaws.

The term outlaw came from the idea that you operated out side law of the profession. Meaning we worked for ourselves. At the end of the day we were handed cash that was ours and to do with what we wanted. No man lived off us and most often we were single or with a woman who was working at the house as unions were often made while there.

The pimps that most of you conjure up in your mind when hearing the word, were just that. Often they would bring their girls up to Nevada and make an agreement with the madams so that the money was turned over to them and not the girls...she would get only what she needed for supplies and such...or if she clipped money that neither of the two knew about. However, these types of pimps were sort of frowned upon, but tolerated as they supplied a constant stream of girls.

The real pimps were simply business men who would really look after the girls. Many of these girls were not educated and had problems which made it hard for the girls to take care of themselves. These men would actually make sure that when the girl was not at the ranch she had a place to stay of her own, a roof over her head, and if she had a child, that the child was taken care of. Many of these men put money in savings for these woman and did for them what they couldn't do for themselves...

However today, times have changed...and you see everything...but basically, I still think that most women will fit in one category or another. Even if a girl has a boyfriend or a husband it is possible for her to be an outlaw...

I hope this helps, I guess this is an area that most women never talk about...a taboo I guess. I hope this sheds some light on the matter...

k

Kristin just saved me a whole lot of time typing!
Many of the ladies that I am personally familiar with and others I know of, have "someone, male or female" in the background helping to run their business. In the vast majority of the cases, it is what she is calling #2, "The Real Pimps". Someone who may or may not derive any monetary benefit from their assistance nor are they coercing anyone to do anything. The best operators are the ones that the clients never knows they exist. Suffice to say, it is very common in our little world.

In other cases, there most certainly are the stereotypical "pimps" and all of the things that come along with that. It's not just the streetwalkers either. I maintain, you would be very surprised at how common this arrangement is as well.

The good agencies out there I do not consider pimps in the least. They are legitimate businesses providing legitimate business services (booking, photos, advertising, etc) to ladies who choose partner with them.

I will leave it at that.

[Rebecca]

I just wanted to jump in real quick with my two cents. I am what is often called a booker. I answer the companion's business phone and emails, I screen new gents to the companions specs and I keep track of her schedule so she doesn't have to worry with missing a meeting.

I don't take a cut. I make a flat weekly rate. That rate does not change depending on how much or how little the companion works. I am her personal assistant and she is the boss. I'm not a "manager" or an "agency" or a "pimp". (Although I would like one of those purple fur hats!) I just handle the pre visit details so my boss can relax and enjoy her time with you. That's it!

There are quite a few ladies out there who do the same work I do. I've been told what I do helps keep a lady in charge of her business. She decides who, when, where and how much. I am her employee. It's kinda nice to not have to call all the shots. Sure it's a stressful gig but I love the ladies I work for and I can't imagine what I'll do when I retire. Let's hope I don't have to worry about that.

And now back to your regularly scheduled thread!

[MsKriss4Play]

I like this thread.. It is interesting and it pertains to myself.

I am a kept woman from a married man. As Kristen put it.. the real pimps..

He pays my rent and utilities. I must cover all the other expenses.. (OMG! Have you been to the grocery store recently? And, I'm just a one person household..)

I met him as an Independant Escort, he likes to call himself a 'Sugar Daddy'.

He gets no/zero monetary gifts from me.. as he's the 'Daddy'

Did this thicken the gravy a little more on this topic?

[Guest101811-4]

Originally Posted by Rebecca

I just wanted to jump in real quick with my two cents. I am what is often called a booker. I answer the companion's business phone and emails, I screen new gents to the companions specs and I keep track of her schedule so she doesn't have to worry with missing a meeting.

I don't take a cut. I make a flat weekly rate. That rate does not change depending on how much or how little the companion works. I am her personal assistant and she is the boss. I'm not a "manager" or an "agency" or a "pimp". (Although I would like one of those purple fur hats!) I just handle the pre visit details so my boss can relax and enjoy her time with you. That's it!

There are quite a few ladies out there who do the same work I do. I've been told what I do helps keep a lady in charge of her business. She decides who, when, where and how much. I am her employee. It's kinda nice to not have to call all the shots. Sure it's a stressful gig but I love the ladies I work for and I can't imagine what I'll do when I retire. Let's hope I don't have to worry about that.

And now back to your regularly scheduled thread!

I've dealt with Rebecca, and she was extraordinarily professional in arranging a meeting with a provider for me.

Rebecca, thank you for putting me at ease and handling all the details that went in to my recent visit. I sincerely appreciate it.

[shorty]

Why is it, that most of the ladies are staying away from this topic? Is it because of the taboo behind the words Management/Pimp? Or the fact that there are more ladies than suspected out there, that are somehow being managed in one way or another?

[acp5762]

Management/Pimp same thing really. Pimp has always had a negative conotation to it. When you think of pimp you generally think of danger to clients, unhappy women being mistreated. The word "Management" associated with escorting is a modern term which sounds more positive and appealing.

[BDSaint]

i would say not all ""pimps"" are a threat to clients nor are they all painted with the same paint brush to ladies as hollywood and the horrror stories paint them...

care in point: i had been with a provider several years back that was fairly well known on the old site, etc....

sometime after that I began dating a woman and found out she was friends with that provider...

at one point I met a man close to the provider...

after he and I began drinking buddies at the family events he informed me that he in fact had been outside the incall when I had seen the provider...

he was totally cool about everything and never mentioned a word of it to my GF at the time...

[sushiguy]

Thank you for the info Kristen. You've opened my eyes.

[Still Looking]

We all answer to somebody!

[ElisabethWhispers]

Originally Posted by shorty

Why is it, that most of the ladies are staying away from this topic? Is it because of the taboo behind the words Management/Pimp? Or the fact that there are more ladies than suspected out there, that are somehow being managed in one way or another?

Probably the reason why women aren't participating in this topic is that this lifestyle is so fraught with myths and untrue beliefs that to answer questions about the secret life of many women here just either wouldn't be believed or some would argue the point.

Plus, just the attitude of some of the responses are bothering me although I'm not sure why.

I'm an independent. I REALLY like the term "outlaw"! And although there are men who know me WELL, they will still ask outlandish questions about my personal life. And still not believe me when I tell them this or that or actually answer their questions.

It probably stems from men thinking that escorts are consummate liars, which really isn't the truth (ha!) for a bunch of us.

What I am finding after being in this lifestyle for awhile and also being "Old School" is there are some ladies, and yes some are on this board, who will present themselves in one fashion but if you look closer or get to know them, they're batshit crazy or have problems that are over and above what would be considered normal.

And there are women who have controlling SO's in their life that some might consider "management". But also, there are probably some boyfriends out there that just offer a suggestion. Like, "Why don't you offer a special this week?". I do NOT see that as someone being managed. That's just discussing stuff with a close friend.

But I still believe that overall, in the silent majority of us ... like myself, we truly adore men. We love to have sex and the rest of the stuff that goes around, pimps and management and the sort, just doesn't really affect us at all. Not directly.

The preconceived ideas that most people have of the collective "us" are wrong. And so why try to explain it? A thanks goes to Kristin for writing a wonderful response to this topic. And also MissKriss and Rebecca for also explaining, from their perspective, this issue being discussed.

Elisabeth

[shorty]

Very well put EW. This topic was not meant to make any of the ladies mad and I do apolgize to the ladies that I have offended.

[Sweet N Little]

I always thought management meant agency. Either way I can't imagine either

[Katharine Butler]

OK, since I'm on the IPad not only does my spelling suffer I can't get the quotes thing to work. lt.'s do it old school.
Shorty, you said:
BF, Husband, or another family asks how many date's you have lined up or tells you need to run a special because we need the money, then your not an Outlaw or Independent. Then, your a lady working for someone else.
Hmmm, so, if your wife asks or tell you to pull some overtime cause X Mas is coming and the kids want a new XBox.......are you bein pimped by her? (What about if she's gonna make your life a misery if you say "No, 60 hrs a week is plenty. I'm tired!")

I totally agree with both Kristen's excellent summation of the types of pimps/managers and Chica's estimation of the # of ladies with some form of management. I'd say it was easily 60% of independents have either/all/part of the following list: SO with input into household work vs budget ratio, booker or scheduler, security, driver, money manager, etc...

Why is it kept on the DL? For the reasons already listed. three is a wide range involved in that list but all most clients think of is a big, mean, ethnic minority, male, armed, dangerous and exploitive.

A girl friend of mine who is a provider has seizures, they took her driver's liscense. She uses a driver. This lady is upscale, successful and independent. Any complaints?

90% of every provider I know has Someone who always knows where she is, who she's with, where's she at, and what time she should get there and be back in her car. How many of you have daughters? Any complaints?

Some of you see hot, smart, but also dingy and Young girls. You really think she's the one handling screening 15-30 e mails and calls a day and scheduling and rescheduling at least 5 clients a week? And, working that schedule around her schedule at her job at victoria's secret and her college classes. Really??

See what I mean? And, that's just three scenarios.

Kat