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Old 12-17-2010, 04:56 PM   #16
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Am I so odd in wanting to enjoy a little more time with a provider? Any suggestions in helping me with my search? Thoughts on outcall vs. In call for a longer visit?
First, no, you are not at all odd, and it's unfortunate you've had so much trouble in your search!

Based on your reviews here (sorry, I'm nosy! ), I'd recommend more research on the ladies you schedule to meet with, and maybe looking at avenues other than BP. Not that everyone on BP is a flake or rip off -- there are plenty of awesome ladies here who advertise on BP -- but there ARE a higher portion of 'em. ECCIE, of course, is a great place to browse, and P411 as well. For all I know you could be doing all of that already, and just posted about your less-than-stellar experiences, but I thought I'd throw it out there just in case.

As you've found, not all ladies are interested in longer visits. If she has options for longer dates on her website, that's always a good sign. If she doesn't, it never hurts to ask if that's something she'd consider.

For longer visits I prefer outcalls to hotels or incall. Unless I know the gentleman really well, I'm not very comfortable spending that much time in someone's home. And even then, he'd have to live alone -- I don't want to risk someone interrupting us.
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:39 AM   #17
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I have met with a number of providers, but I am really not an hour at a time kind of guy.* I like to find a girl to spend several hours with...* I had a girl that I used to see and we would meet about once a quarter for an overnight and I really enjoyed the time together.* we had a lot of fun!
Since it seems you prefer overnights over two hour or shorter meeting, why not just seek what you want the first meeting. Their are an influx of ads in multiple areas that advertise overnights availiable....some which include rates. If you are only hobbying, or prefer to hobby "quarterly" as you say....that's every 3 to 4 months roughly. Surely that's enough time to do research, screen, and mesh preferences with a provider prospect before meeting. Some ladies are very patient in regards to clients of you type.

Patient in meaning they will either have a silent confidence and demeanor on the phone that they can definitely overwhelm you no matter your characteristics....and some who will ask you questions to make sure your desires and her preferences mesh. You would be vastly surprised in how often your interpretation of an overnight may differ from hers and what she offers.

Now some ladies also will be "silent" as they know they can't really fulfill overnight type activities. So they will cleverly use the time for other things to shave it. I will touch on that later in this thread....but it would be helpful to the thread if you touched on the type engagement u seek with these ladies.....don't fall for the okkie doke booking smaller hours first then if it works out booking more.......if a lady presents any trepidation as far as meeting besides normal things (safety, discretion of incall or outcall, payment of services) pass on her. Many can and will step to the plate.

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She left the business and I have had a really hard time finding a replacement.
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Definitely feel your difficulty there, on the plus side its generally easier to book other 1st time overnights if you have more than a few under your belt. When they call your refs they will build a strong comfortability with you somewhat prior to meeting, making them more open to pursue it the first time.

For me personally I have excitement initially going into a new rendevous...as opposed to someone I already know or think I know. The first time overnight is more an attraction to me.

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When I do find someone to schedule a multiple hour with - they generally try to flake on me.
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Stop messing with BP ladies and try out a few of the established and reputable independents. You will have less associated problems. Although of course the bp ladies seem to always be availiable at the drop of a hat to accommodate you....there's usually a catch to that that won't work in your favor.

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I know that life is easy an hour at a time, and it can be hard to spend several hours with someone that you don't have a lot on common with but I just wish it wasn't so hard to fnd someone that at least is willing to try!*
You answered your own question there. But why would life as a provider necessarily be easier hourly as opposed to what you seek. Divulge your preferences so we can all grasp what you mean......Some ladies think of those types of bookings as too much work to pursue or not worth the time they could make for more clients. (Wear and tear, the large block of time prospective new clients can't book, etc.) Not always physically either. Sometimes they lack the capacity mentally and personability wise to keep you entertained pass just getting your jollies off. Some can mesh the two very well.

Some of the more common issues I see tend to be these.

1. The provider aren't the morning type mentally (chipper I mean, not looks) and know they can't function well without sufficient sleep in a comfortable surroundng under than with a stranger. This is usually the younger type.

2. They have kids or nightly responsibilities during the week that limit overnight capabilities. Add school to this as well.

3. They either don't feel comfortable cuddling (due to a past experience or simply because they consider that too homely for this type of engagement), sleeping (some consider this letting their guard down especially on outcalls), eating or drinking (same as above, mainly in outcalls...not dinner dates)

4. They rather not do dinner dates.

Of course not all overnights involve dinner dates. Let's face it....not all women you have a strong urgency to see will be the public type for your preference. At least for me not all are. On the same token, not all hobbyists are the pro dinner date type either....or the lady would rather not be seen in public. But of course if she is personable from the start, you might be more inclined to step out the box from time to time.

But some providers don't like dinner dates because they can't truelly be themselves. Everthing from the way they eat, the way she carrys herself, to what she talks about requires to some degree a bit of discretion and fakeness creativeness for some. Some ladies would rather keep it bcd rather than public with bcd. Some ladies actually consider dinner dates more challenging.

Also be forwarned dinner dates are a good time waster to drain the time you have paid for if she truelly doesn't enjoy prolonged bcd time. By the time you eat....your less likely to have sex with the same gusto. I always do bcd early first, then when the appetite has been motivated, the dinner date is the cherry on top. The awkwardness of idly table cchatter as u get to know each other is less...because you are both more comfortable and in a relaxed state and not thinking and responding in a horny state....or the please don't say nothing stupid mantra. Eating first causes me to be too relaxed and lazy.....so unless I booked a sizable portion of hours....Id bcd first. Or just have food availiable at the incall to accommodate not leaving.

5. Sometimes providers are very concerned about size issues. Not just your member or genatailia wise, but your body appearance and if they can accommodate you for a longer booking. For some providers some degree of attraction has to be there for them to even consider it. For others not so much.

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Any suggestions in helping me with my search?* Thoughts on outcall vs. In call for a longer visit?

Thanks!
I touched on it a few times, but outcall is safer looking.

For the providers:

1. Your less likely to act like an ignoramous at your own outcall, perferably hotel. If she screened you good enough she can easily attach your name to the room. I would have said at your home....but that put her in a situation less in a controlled state and less public. So hotel is better initially to establish comfortability.

2. She knows the chances of you ncns is nil because you are either checked in, have reservations, or are waiting for her. She also knows its hard to book another overnight sshould she not make it. She basically has you by the balls. Lol


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Visit her once or twice for like a 2 to 4 hour visit so that you guys can get comfortable and see if you guys are compatible enough
I understand where you are coming from. But what if minus her personability and demeanor in session we focused on physical for a sec.

If I booked 2 hours and was actively engaged in some sort of sexual activity for one and a half hours of it.....or a 3 hour where the majority of the time we were engaged.....would you percieve that as the client potentially being to handsy on an overnight?

Like most people. After a few bells I require a little rest to recharge. But I'm young too (under 30) what I seek in a 2 to 4 hour is in stark contrast to a 10 to 12 hour overnight. In the overnight I may want a slower lather of an interaction those first few hours.....where as a smaller 2 hour booking would be only a tastetest....still leaving me with a craving for what I really wanted and wish I had booked.

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It is interesting to me, I am pretty generous...* You would think a girl would want a second call
Divulge the type of bookings you seek. It might explain the trepidation some may have. Sometimes money is not the principle reason ladies choose longer bookings. Did you kinda cater to those ladies a bit to provide incentive besides being safe and paying? Did you have drinks availiable, offer her a massage, daty her, make her feel appreciated...........

I know this stuff sounds relationshipy..but if you don't incorporate some of these into a few of your sessions...the chances of them wanting to see you again might diminish. Some ladies seek a good time as well.......yes they want you to feel pleased and well taken ccare of.....by why shouldn't they get some enjoyment as well. If you implement something such as those....they always repay back to you session for session ten fold. She will also usually if she likes you as a client pass that on to other ladies when you use her as a reference. It helps dude.

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FYI- I am clean, white and generally fit!* Nothing to run away from.
1.Being clean is easy....no need to say it and proclaim it....it diminishes the value. Just say you care about your health and get tested regularly.

2.Being white might help as opposed to being black maybe....but now I'm curious what stereotypical reasons you have for assuming that makes you a better prospective client who in your words....."is nothing to run away from."

3. Being fit an in shape can be good eye candy for providers, but for some they know you may have more sexual endurance and stamina than the normal type they see and be more demanding.......I wouldn't fucus to much on telling providers you are fit unless they ask.

They may think intially you are the type of client who feel the provider should be privileged to spend time with you......of course you pay rate of course. But its merely just a tip for her to marvel in your statuesqe brilliance.

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Providers do make great friends beleive it or not.

..and Jahaira..I seriously doubt you would look bad in the morning...
I agree with this statement. And jahaira is hot. She could definitely get it makeup or not as she is a fine specimen of woman to wake up next to. Lol

But never forget that donation though, great friends to providers almost always carry this around and would never think without one friendship is possible. Lol
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:54 AM   #18
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I cant speak for the other ladies but I do not book overnights with clients that I do not know. Maybe you should pick a lady. Visit her once or twice for like a 2 to 4 hour visit so that you guys can get comfortable and see if you guys are compatible enough to spend an extended period of time together.
Then take it from there. Thats just my opinion though.
Never expected to here this from a porn star, but....

I'm curious so Ill bite. What characteristics during those shorter booking do you use to determine if they are overnight booking capable? I'm curious to know since. Here and see this a lot on ladies websites. You still wouldn't know him.....you would just know he was safe and know "of" him more so right.

I guess I want to know what at a minumum during those shorter session points and directs you to be comfortable for more time....minus him being screened, unabusive, paying timely, etc....you know the normal stuff.
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:58 AM   #19
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I am a complete Newby at this with yesterday being my first date, and it was for 2 hours. Now understand that I have been married 3 times so I have been around the block a few times. I was going to go with a real young girl for my first time (19-24) but I decided on a 35 year old with very good reviews on Escorts, and I am happy I did. I am real easy to talk to and we hit it off right away. She left asking me to call her back again, and I will.
There are some people that you cannot get along with no matter how hard you try, and it would be like torture being on a long date with somebody like that. The girl I was going to call was 23 and beautiful with medium reviews on Escorts so I thought she may have been a little harder to get to know. I still will try her for one hour to see if anything clicks, because I am very attracted to her pictures. I can sure understand a girls reluctance to set up a long date with somebody she doesn't know.
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I'm curious so Ill bite. What characteristics during those shorter booking do you use to determine if they are overnight booking capable? I'm curious to know since. Here and see this a lot on ladies websites. You still wouldn't know him.....you would just know he was safe and know "of" him more so right.

I guess I want to know what at a minumum during those shorter session points and directs you to be comfortable for more time....minus him being screened, unabusive, paying timely, etc....you know the normal stuff.
Now why would she tell you that? Why would any provider tell you that? That is giving too much away.
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Now why would she tell you that? Why would any provider tell you that? That is giving too much away.
And that precisely my point though. Lol Why risk being prejudged based on a shorter booking hoping for consideration....when you can truthfully book the tye session you prefer?

I'm sure if a lady didn't enjoy a gents company past that preset introductory time of 1 to 2 hours.....the money is no object of course.....and she would gladly return the sizable donation minus her 2 hour rate because she is reputable and just wants to mesh well.....yeah right lol.

It not so secrety as it seems. I just see no correlation really between time booked and comfortability. It just seems you can take care of him....or you can't.

That situation is sorta like getting prescribed two different medications hoping for the desired effect, when one simple one took care of everything in one serving. "Come see me again and it will be much better." Why not partake in those spoils the first time.

What if I booked ladies at there two hour rates, and told them the overnight was a possibility with that extra money on the dresser should we mesh well in my mind. If after said service in that first two hours wasn't up to par or an accurate assestment as to how a whole night might transslate,,...would you find it a waste of time booked if I paid our initial 2 hour rate.......and pocketed the projected extra time booked on that first date"

It seems like a similar scenario. Although of course very awkward. There are many ladies I enjoyes for shorter booking, but knew hands down they couldn't accommodate me fully on an overnight. But I didn't say...if I book you a smaller time and like you.....ill consider booking you for a larger time. They either knew the reasons why I didn't...or they wondered why.

Divulge. Let's learn what both hobbyists and providers think about this.
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There is alot of information on this page for sure,not sure where to start,I would agree to the 2 or 3 hrs to start,maybe even do that a couple of times,but keep some dialog open with the provider if you are interested in seeing her for a more extended time.I have had good luck with most of my experiences and so maybe Im not as gun shy as I need to be..Its in your best intrest to know as much as you can about someone before commiting to an overnighter. I think everyone has their own way of thinking here.There was some talk of how much time is actually spent on adult activities and I for one enjoy taking a provider out to dinner and maybe a drink or two before the main event,Im not as young as I used to be and have some great stamina for my age but Im not unrealistic thinking I can make it happen for hours on end without a break.So take a break open a bottle of wine and talk to each other! there is afterall more to this than seeing if you can set a record,companionship is great in any form,as a guy I think I can tell if things are going well and if we have seen each other a few times already then we should be able to make an overnighter work....Yes I know it sounds like the same advise over and over,but I have to say that I have had much less trouble getting along with a provider on a long date than I ever have on a 1 or 2 hour deal..
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great post j farmer !!!!!
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I think the bottom line is not everyone can size a person up in one meeting. If I don't really know a person, I am not booking more than the casual dinner date...period. Unrealistic demands play a big part in whom I will spend my time with. I am not a robot or a blow up doll....I am a human being, and I book with men who are realistic in their ideals about what a true gfe really is....and it's not just about how many bells you can ring or how long she can stand on her head. If I had to spend more than 2 hours with a guy like that I would shoot myself in the head!

For me the bell counters and acronym demands are reserved for guys who don't care about anything but the best bang for the buck, and I accomodate those in shorter dates. My extended dates are for the guys who TRULY want companionship, and treat the date as a real boyfriend would.

I have never had a boyfirend demand that I get him 2 pops every hour, for 12 hours lmao. Yea right! It was a slow progression of dinner, a movie, maybe the casino, a sports event, bj in the car, followed by a NATURAL sexual exploration and yes actual sleep!! This is the reason we don't book long periods of time on the first go round.....to save our sanity and save you some money.


Why be with someone and 2 hours into it you are pulling your hair out? I know I sure as heck would not give any refunds since I have already lost money reserving that time, so I just don't take a guy's money to start with....that way the blame is only on me if I am not comfortable after the fact. If it was only about the dollar, most of us could just act our way through it lol. Obviously money is not always the main factor in what we choose to put ourselves through.

Bottom line is everyone is different. I have been accused of giving longer dates priority, but at the same time a blow and go might just be my cup of tea on some days lol. I would love to have a bj only rate on my site, but I know how that would come off so I don't do it. Automatically if you offer such a service you are somehow less than....grrr classy? LMAO I abhor that word here.

I like variety just as guys do, so one day I may want 12 hours with one person and the next a bjcim only date....I like it ALL! I just don't like it all with every single person which is why I try my best to accomodate every guy's needs with a wide range of options.

Farmer you make the ideal candidate for an overnight or dinner date btw!! A true gent who is not all focused on the alphabet soup, and can simply relax and enjoy a woman for all she has to offer.
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Thanks London,I guess Im the odd one here,I have actually just taken providers out on the town for the night and just skipped the rest,I know that info is going to drive some of the hobbiests on here nutts but its all about having the companionship of a beautiful woman that I have the opportunity to be with without all the dating drama that goes on otherwise,
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Oh no you very well should get that bcd but within reason by God. Some of these guys think their money buys them a trip to the ER from us, and they can keep it!

I have maybe only had 3 dates where I did not do a thing bcd and to tell you the truth...it made me uncomfortable. I am like gimmethat in respect to I like a generous amount of playtime first, because once I eat I am going to bed lmao!
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ok so explain bcd..im sure its obvious but never seen it used..
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Behind closed doors hehe. You are new lol!
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well new to here,I just hate the acronym (sp?) thing, So your saying that its not possible for me to call a provider that I know and say "lets run out to the casino for a couple of hours and have a nice dinner together" and then let her go on about her business.? Ive never had anyone tell me no,sometimes its nice not to expect any more than that in my opinion..
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For me the bell counters and acronym demands are reserved for guys who don't care about anything but the best bang for the buck, and I accomodate those in shorter dates. My extended dates are for the guys who TRULY want companionship, and treat the date as a real boyfriend would.

I have never had a boyfirend demand that I get him 2 pops every hour, for 12 hours lmao. Yea right! It was a slow progression of dinner, a movie, maybe the casino, a sports event, bj in the car, followed by a NATURAL sexual exploration and yes actual sleep!! This is the reason we don't book long periods of time on the first go round.....to save our sanity and save you some money.



Farmer you make the ideal candidate for an overnight or dinner date btw!! A true gent who is not all focused on the alphabet soup, and can simply relax and enjoy a woman for all she has to offer.
I completely agree London! Once I have had a date or 2 with a gentleman, I LOVE OVER NIGHTS!

I remember a few I have had vividly! One, I was taken out to a real upscale establishment, wined and dined! OMG his car soooo got me in the mood as well ... varroooom and rumble of a good harley! He spoiled me with several gifts! We had our play time, showered together, had even a decent night's rest to wake to more play time. I went my way and he went his for the day. Best part? We had back to back nights together!

The other encounter was a wonderful experience as well. We nibbled on snacks he brought, had plenty to drink. Experienced MANY new things together that night. He had never had a FMF and asked if he could invite another provider over he had seen before. I saw her photo's and WOW .. of course I said YES! Our evening progressed with lot's of laughter, playing and exploring! I will never forget that night! It was like a MARATHON with plenty of breaks between pops!

I enjoyed both nights equally!

One reason I love the hobby is because it is full of new experiences here that I might have missed out on!
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