It's Deja Vu All Over Again With The Iranian Deal

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I hear that Iranian dicks are pretty small.

How many pictures of Iranian JUNK have you downloaded from the Internet, JDrunk?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That was Odumbo's false dichotomy, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

Not false. Without a deal, the probability of a war is more.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Speaking of Odumbo's false dichotomy....


Obama’s False Iran Choice

There was a better alternative to his deal. He never pursued it.

The debate is raging over President Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, and Mr. Obama held a rare press conference Wednesday to say that “99% of the world community” agrees with him. Then why bother with a press conference? Mr. Obama made other claims we’ll address in coming days, but for today it’s worth rebutting his assertion that “none” of his critics “have presented to me or the American people a better alternative.”

Specifically, Mr. Obama resorted to his familiar default of the false political choice. “There really are only two alternatives here. Either the issue of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon is resolved diplomatically through a negotiation or it’s resolved through force, through war. Those are—those are the options,” Mr. Obama said. He added that no better deal was or is possible than the one he has negotiated.

Mr. Obama knows there has always been an alternative to his diplomacy of concessions because many critics have suggested it. It’s called coercive diplomacy, and it might have worked to get a better deal if Mr. Obama had tried it.

Take the sanctions regime, which finally started to get tough in December 2011. By 2013 Iran had an official inflation rate of some 35%, its currency was falling, and its dollar reserves were estimated to be down to $20 billion. Mr. Obama had resisted those sanctions, only to take credit for them when Congress insisted and they began to show results in Tehran.

Yet Mr. Obama still resisted calls to put maximum pressure on Iran. He gave waivers to countries like Japan to import Iranian oil. He was reluctant to impose sanctions on global financial institutions that did business with Iran (especially Chinese banks that offered Tehran access to foreign currency). The U.S. could have gone much further to blacklist parts of Iran’s economy run by the Revolutionary Guard Corps. A bipartisan majority in Congress was prepared to impose more sanctions this year, but Mr. Obama refused as he rushed for a second-term deal.

Mr. Obama now argues that the sanctions could not have been maintained, and that they are sure to collapse if Congress scuttles his deal. But there was no sign sanctions were collapsing as long as the U.S. continued to keep the pressure on. And to the extent support did weaken, one reason was the momentum of Mr. Obama’s negotiations. The more the U.S. gave the impression that it desperately wanted a deal, the more other countries and businesses began to maneuver for post-sanctions opportunities.

This is the opposite of coercive diplomacy, which shows determination so an adversary under pressure concludes that it must make more concessions. This is the diplomacy Ronald Reagan practiced with the Soviets, refusing to budge on missile defenses at the 1986 Reykjavik Summit despite pressure from 99% of the world to do so. The Soviets were soon back at the negotiating table.

Mr. Obama could also have pressured Iran on other fronts, the way Reagan did the Soviets by arming enemies of its proxies. The U.S. could have armed the Free Syrian Army to defeat Iran’s allied Assad regime in Damascus, and it could have helped Israel enforce U.N. Resolution 1701 that imposes an arms embargo on Hezbollah in Lebanon.

On Wednesday Mr. Obama conceded that Iran supplies Hezbollah and Assad, while implying he could do nothing about it. The truth is that he chose to do nothing because he didn’t want to offend Iran and jeopardize his nuclear talks. Instead he should have increased the pressure across the board to assist the negotiations and get a better deal.

As for Mr. Obama’s false choice of war and diplomacy, the truth is that war becomes less likely when diplomacy is accompanied by the credible threat of war. The President removed that credible threat from Iran by insisting war was the only (bad) alternative to his diplomacy, as well as by threatening force against Syria only to erase his own “red line.” In May Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei boasted that the U.S. military “can’t do a damn thing” against Iran. He understood his negotiating partner all too well.

Mr. Obama is now presenting his deeply flawed deal to Congress and the public as a fait accompli that must be embraced or war will result. Congress shouldn’t be any more impressed by his false ultimatums than the Iranians were by his weak diplomacy.

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Another cut and paste WSJ opinion piece from the cut and king paste himself, Lusty Tard the dog face bitch boy. The dichotomy Obama pointed out wasn't wrong. It was only going to be solved by talking or by shooting. I love how conservatives think that more pressure will simply cause capitulation. They never entertain the idea that it might actually do more harm than good. I love how the writer lauds Reagan, seeing as how he actually GAVE arms to Iran. How interesting. The truth is Obama made the best of a shitty situation. There's no picking up a turd by the clean end.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

How many pictures of Iranian JUNK have you downloaded from the Internet, JDrunk?

He 'hears'...


I've done a lot of listening in my life. Never 'heard' about Iranian dick size though.

[I B Hankering]

You'd be a two-bit, Janus-faced jackass talking out both sides, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. And you're fuckin' moronically stupid if you for one moment imagine that Odumbo's caving into Iran's demands is going to forestall a fuckin' thing, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

[Yssup Rider]

Janus-faced?

Well THAT ought to fucking devastate him, IBIdiot! Well struck!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA AAAAA!

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Another cut and paste WSJ opinion piece from the cut and king paste himself, Lusty Tard the dog face bitch boy. The dichotomy Obama pointed out wasn't wrong. It was only going to be solved by talking or by shooting. I love how conservatives think that more pressure will simply cause capitulation. They never entertain the idea that it might actually do more harm than good. I love how the writer lauds Reagan, seeing as how he actually GAVE arms to Iran. How interesting. The truth is Obama made the best of a shitty situation. There's no picking up a turd by the clean end.

"There's no picking up a turd by the clean end. " That sums up why your Daddy / brother and Momma / sister never gave you a hug when you were growing up woomby !!!!!

[IIFFOFRDB]

fuckers... http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...-imagined.html

Friday, July 17, 2015
If Obama is NOT the Manchurian Candidate, he's sure doing a great job of imitating one. "Worse than we could have imagined."


Because Iran, joined by Russia — our “reset” partner — sprung the demand at the last minute, calculating that Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry were so desperate for a deal that they would cave. They did.


The net effect of this capitulation will be not only to endanger our Middle East allies now under threat from Iran and its proxies, but also to endanger our own naval forces in the Persian Gulf. Imagine how Iran’s acquisition of the most advanced anti-ship missiles would threaten our control over the gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, waterways we have kept open for international commerce for a half-century. . .

The action now shifts to Congress. The debate is being hailed as momentous. It is not. It’s irrelevant. Congress won’t get to vote on the deal until September. But Obama is taking the agreement to the U.N. Security Council for approval within days . Approval there will cancel all previous U.N. resolutions outlawing and sanctioning Iran’s nuclear activities. Meaning: Whatever Congress ultimately does, it won’t matter because the legal underpinning for the entire international sanctions regime against Iran will have been dismantled at the Security Council. Ten years of painstakingly constructed international sanctions will vanish overnight, irretrievably. . .


Iran will be flush with cash, legitimized as a normal international actor in good standing, recognized (as Obama once said) as “a very successful regional power.” Stopping Iran from going nuclear at that point will be infinitely more difficult and risky. Which is Obama’s triumph. He has locked in his folly. He has laid down his legacy, and we will have to live with the consequences for decades.
Posted by Dutchman6 at 11:20 AM

[IIFFOFRDB]

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

The hawks hate the Iranian deal, because they will not be able to bomb Iran.

You're a fucking moron.

Sit down and shut the fuck up.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

The hawks hate the Iranian deal, because they will not be able to bomb Iran.

You are a cunt and a biggen at that...

[IIFFOFRDB]

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion named khamenei looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and khamenei the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog named Odumbo sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked Odumbo the frog hesitantly.

"Because," khamenei the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to Odumbo the frog. But he asked "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed khamenei the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you won't just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said Odumbo the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned khamenei the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?"

So Odumbo the frog agreed to take khamenei the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. Khamenei the scorpion crawled onto Odumbo's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, as Odumbo the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but Odumbo the frog stayed near the surface so khamenei the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, Odumbo the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw khamenei the scorpion remove his stinger from Odumbo's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked Odumbo the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

Khamenei the scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drowning Odumbo's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

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[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

I'm a fucking moron.

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[gnadfly]

It's not like within the past month the Supreme Leader was leading "Death to America" chants and the Iranian Congress passed a law forbidding inspections of nuclear sites.

ooops, yes the did.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me a third time, have the media blame the Republicans.