A Change in the Hobby

[willro]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

The main reason I advertise there, though, is because BP/CL allows me the opprtunity to reach out to a new market sector--the hobbiests in the making. I have brought fresh blood to ASPD & Eccie. Every client that sees me also goes on to see other providers and become an active part of our beloved hobbying community--how can that be a bad thing? I know in the past couple of months, there have been several old-school providers that have called me for a reference on someone that had never done this before they met me! I think thanks are in order here, not resentment or disdain.

I agree Dana. My introduction to the hobby came in steps. First an AMP, second some agency girls (mainly because they were easy to find and I didn't know what to look for, or who to trust on CL/BP). Finally, I had a provider point me toward ASPD where I was a lurker for several months and then eventually a participator. Now, I have the same handle on six different boards (I like this one best), and I have made several friends. The introductory avenues to the hobby are value-adding in my opinion.

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

. & without a provider such as myself, other girls...even more established ones...wouldn't have any new clients.

Babe, I do agree with you on this!!!! Without us girls taking the newbies than the others wouldn't have ever met them, unless they did the same!!

Just like JAXAR... everyone had to start somewhere, just like most of my regular clients that have now joined our ECCIE family, I met most of them on CL / BP!!

I myself didn't know about BP untill a few weeks or months into it and then I still didn't use it, I still stuck to CL and then I heard about BP from a client and I joined it as well as ESCORTS then I heard about ASPD and gave it a shot and here we are on ECCIE! I mean we all have to start somewhere just as the other girls have mentioned, and I too still stick with BP, so older clients in the past to find me, the ones that don't know about ECCIE!

[MrGiz]

Sadie…. I’m pretty sure I know where you’re coming from…. You are concerned with screening… or lack of. Let me try to take a stab at explaining. This might become a little wordy… so please be patient and read.

First…. Sites like ASPD.net , Bigdoggie.net , TheEroticReview.com , Escorts.com , ECCIE.net , etc… have established databases of escorts , hobbyists , and escort reviews. If someone wants to checkout the history of a certain guy or girl… it’s relatively easy to do so. For a girl… check her reviews. For a guy… check his posting history, board presence, and maybe check any reviews he may have posted on other girls. It pretty easy to get a “feel” for a guy or girl from those sites.

Sites like BP or CL do not offer that same ability. There are no reviews of the girls… and no way for someone looking at the site to know anything about the guys who are seeing those girls either!

For the Standard Hobby Reference Screening System (which should be used) to work… there has to be established legitimacy, both ways… for the guys… as well as the girls! Until a girl moves over to one of the established escort review and discussion sites, and begins collecting legitimate reviews from legitimate guys… there is NO WAY that girl can be safely or securely used as a reference! There is no way to know if she is screening her clients, or not! If she is not screening her clients… she creates a risk for all concerned… and should not be trusted! If we don’t know… WE DON’T KNOW!!

Second… The easiest girls to trust as references, are the girls who are already proven, well reviewed girls from one or more of the generally accepted escort review and discussion sites. Those girls generally prefer to use the Standard Hobby Reference Screening System to keep themselves and their clients safe and secure. If they do not receive any reference requests from some of the newer, less established girls. . . it’s very reasonable for them to wonder about the screening methods being used by those newer girls.

I believe most of us want the newer, proven, legit girls to take advantage of the experience of their sisters who have been here longer. . . . and ask for references!! We also want the newer girls to return reference requests when asked by other girls. You owe it to the younger, newer client/guys that need to begin building their own legitimacy.

We have a nice handful of new girls in the area who have become proven, legit providers. Some are using the reference system. . . some are not! (Ya’ll know who you are)
Please start making everyone feel more comfortable by becoming an integral part of our fine little Arkansas Hobby Community!!

I've been fortunate enough to meet and play with most of the newer girls, here on ECCIE.... ya'll are all fantastic!! To the very few I haven't yet met.... I can't wait!

Giz

P.S. - Hey Sadie.... Did I cum close?

[sadie]

EXCELLENT GIZ!! You truly have a gift for making complicated topics more easily understood.

Like I stated in the beginning.. I don't want this to be a pissing contest between the girls. WE ALL have our own unique qualities that make the hobby a great place to play. I just want us ALL to be on the same page if were are going to be here together.

Its not about competing rates...every lady has the right to set her own, and some purposely choose a higher rate to attract the type of clientele that fits best for her.

The experienced ladies that have been around awhile "just may" have some valuable insight to offer you new girls...so don't let egos get in the way of becoming a better provider.

Wonderful friendships can be an added bonus, and I am very thankful for mine.

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

I believe most of us want the newer, proven, legit girls to take advantage of the experience of their sisters who have been here longer. . . . and ask for references!! We also want the newer girls to return reference requests when asked by other girls. You owe it to the younger, newer client/guys that need to begin building their own legitimacy.

Absofreakinlutely! But like I said before--only ONE experienced lady has ever reached out to me to encourage me to screen and check to see how I was coming along. ONE. When she did that, I thought to myself "hey, this is how it's supposed to be." Yes, we're competing, but we still are in a business that's not always safe and who else can we rely on but each other? Ever since then I've made an effort to check up on the other girls and stay in contact. I send little texts and notes to some of the girls asking how they are, I keep track of who's posting what to make sure everything looks ok (if a girl disappears for a while or suddenly lowers her price, i check up on her ). A few of us reached out to Kyla when she came on the scene to pass on whatever advice we could.

So someone is concerned about how/whether I screen?? Then just ask--it's not a giant mystery. And if you don't like the answer I give you in return, then you say "No ma'am, get it together, here's how it's done...." Trust and connections are made in such ways. Refusing to take our references and looking down at us is definitely not the solution.

[TechOnex]

All this info is great...but I have a question that needs an explanation. A few guys have been arrested and their logins to such sites have been taken or turned over to LE to lessen the charges. Faked references are given to fake providers giving them the appearance of being legit. How to we handle this? A provider gets careless and gets busted and convinced to turn over her profile and photos to LE. How does the community handle this? Mr. Giz has said before that if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but there has got to be a better way to reduce the risk. Not sure I still have the nerve to keep up the hobby. I have my favorites, but unless I have a high frequency with them, I never know who will be the next trap. Ugh!

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Sadie…. I’m pretty sure I know where you’re coming from…. You are concerned with screening… or lack of. Let me try to take a stab at explaining. This might become a little wordy… so please be patient and read.

First…. Sites like ASPD.net , Bigdoggie.net , TheEroticReview.com , Escorts.com , ECCIE.net , etc… have established databases of escorts , hobbyists , and escort reviews. If someone wants to checkout the history of a certain guy or girl… it’s relatively easy to do so. For a girl… check her reviews. For a guy… check his posting history, board presence, and maybe check any reviews he may have posted on other girls. It pretty easy to get a “feel” for a guy or girl from those sites.

Sites like BP or CL do not offer that same ability. There are no reviews of the girls… and no way for someone looking at the site to know anything about the guys who are seeing those girls either!

For the Standard Hobby Reference Screening System (which should be used) to work… there has to be established legitimacy, both ways… for the guys… as well as the girls! Until a girl moves over to one of the established escort review and discussion sites, and begins collecting legitimate reviews from legitimate guys… there is NO WAY that girl can be safely or securely used as a reference! There is no way to know if she is screening her clients, or not! If she is not screening her clients… she creates a risk for all concerned… and should not be trusted! If we don’t know… WE DON’T KNOW!!

Second… The easiest girls to trust as references, are the girls who are already proven, well reviewed girls from one or more of the generally accepted escort review and discussion sites. Those girls generally prefer to use the Standard Hobby Reference Screening System to keep themselves and their clients safe and secure. If they do not receive any reference requests from some of the newer, less established girls. . . it’s very reasonable for them to wonder about the screening methods being used by those newer girls.

I believe most of us want the newer, proven, legit girls to take advantage of the experience of their sisters who have been here longer. . . . and ask for references!! We also want the newer girls to return reference requests when asked by other girls. You owe it to the younger, newer client/guys that need to begin building their own legitimacy.

We have a nice handful of new girls in the area who have become proven, legit providers. Some are using the reference system. . . some are not! (Ya’ll know who you are)
Please start making everyone feel more comfortable by becoming an integral part of our fine little Arkansas Hobby Community!!

I've been fortunate enough to meet and play with most of the newer girls, here on ECCIE.... ya'll are all fantastic!! To the very few I haven't yet met.... I can't wait!

Giz

P.S. - Hey Sadie.... Did I cum close?

All this was very nicely said GIZ!!!

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About the ref.'s... sometimes I feel like because of certain reasons that girls might not want to provide a ref. or they don't answer their phones for other providers either because they dont know the number or they would rather not talk to them... soooo I have found it easier to just have the client call the girl and say he need's a ref and then the girl will normally call me to verify him ( I would not mind doing this and I do not mind giving out ref's to any provider's, I would LOVE to that way we can all play safe! ) ... Also I have heard from a client that the provider told him that she verifed him through me and then come to find out... I never even talked to that provider? Do not do this girls!! CALL ME if you need a verification, even if there has been some issues/lack of communication with us providers. I wouldn't want anything to happen to any of you when I could of told you Yes he is ok or No he is not.

[HSP]

Well on the BP thing ... KellyTNT of Dallas, 10 years in the biz, FINE moderator here on ECCIE ...

http://dallas.backpage.com/FemaleEsc...r-p411/9872407

Everything is just an avenue. If someone doesn't use one of the sources then so what? Who cares? I am not a member of those hobby sites. I can find everything I need here. Does that make one a bad hobbyist? I understand from a provider's prospect, advertise everywhere necessary but in essence to each is own.

HSP

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by HSP

Well on the BP thing ... KellyTNT of Dallas, 10 years in the biz, FINE moderator here on ECCIE ...

http://dallas.backpage.com/FemaleEsc...r-p411/9872407

Everything is just an avenue. If someone doesn't use one of the sources then so what? Who cares? I am not a member of those hobby sites. I can find everything I need here. Does that make one a bad hobbyist? I understand from a provider's prospect, advertise everywhere necessary but in essence to each is own.

HSP

Oh totally, exactly. If Babee does it then it's good enough for me. I don't remember exactly how long she's been in the biz but she's definitely one of the classiest ladies I've ever come across--and nothing but totally polite and helpful if I ever asked anything of her. If anyone could look down at Babee, then I'm not quite sure you have anyone else to look up to.

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Oh totally, exactly. If Babee does it then it's good enough for me. I don't remember exactly how long she's been in the biz but she's definitely one of the classiest ladies I've ever come across--and nothing but totally polite and helpful if I ever asked anything of her. If anyone could look down at Babee, then I'm not quite sure you have anyone else to look up to.

I agree! PLUS... We have worked for it, so we deserve to be able to do whatever we want with our reviews!! lol...

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by HSP

Well on the BP thing ... KellyTNT of Dallas, 10 years in the biz, FINE moderator here on ECCIE ...

http://dallas.backpage.com/FemaleEsc...r-p411/9872407

Everything is just an avenue. If someone doesn't use one of the sources then so what? Who cares? I am not a member of those hobby sites. I can find everything I need here. Does that make one a bad hobbyist? I understand from a provider's prospect, advertise everywhere necessary but in essence to each is own.

HSP

P.S. Nice tatas Kelly

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never mind

[MrGiz]

I get the impression that some of us have a communication "hump" to cross.... not just the new guys and girls, either! I wish everyone would just be open, and realize that we all share this little community we enjoy.... and that it's in everyone's best interest for us all to look out for each other!

I'm not talking about holding hands and singing kumbaya.... but simply give and take!

That includes traveling men and girls, too!

Giz

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

I get the impression that some of us have a communication "hump" to cross.... not just the new guys and girls, either! I wish everyone would just be open, and realize that we all share this little community we enjoy.... and that it's in everyone's best interest for us all to look out for each other!

I'm not talking about holding hands and singing kumbaya.... but simply give and take!

That includes traveling men and girls, too!

Giz

Yes we do all need to stick together, afterall we are a big happy horny family just trying to get through life and keep some friends and make new ones!!....LOL!

holding hangs...? i wanna hold more than a hand right now. ha ha ha Im bored if you can't tell? I am normally not on here for this long... Great subject though and I love when someone comes up with a good one!!!

[sadie]

Well I was going to agree with some very valid points DeAnna made but she erased it all. lol

She had mentioned how reliable are boards like this now anyway...and I AGREE!! There is no trust anymore, so many lame reviews by WK's don't mean much!! You used to have to work harder to establish yourself and build a reputation. Now any unexperienced newbie can write a bunch of crap reviews and people that don't know any better take it as valuable.

Ok...off to bed.