Israeli Gen Z says enough of this. I ain't enlisting and I cannot support the cycle of violence and oppression of Palestinian people

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Bradscott

SpeedRacer and ICU,

“Children account for 40% of the 20,000+ deaths in Gaza that have resulted so far from the Israeli incursion. Women and children account for 67%.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm

The Israeli Likud Party and its coalition partners gave Qatar the green light to support Hamas, which channeled billions into Gaza, some part of which was used by the military wing of Hamas.”

Although you source a UN report, they are getting their data from hamas a terrorist organization . If Israel had that kind of disregard for citizens would they send in troops? They could’ve leveled all of Gaza without sending a single soldier in. They are putting in their troops in harms way to protect civilian lives. What is the real atrocity here is killing innocent civilians at music festival, or in their home with their children.
The suggestion that likud party has any relationship with Qatar is bizarre and totally unfounded. If you have information to this effect, you are probably the only human with it. maybe you got it from the same person who informed the world that Trump took pees on Russian escorts. maybe you should do some soul-searching to find out why you would believe such unfounded things and yes the Holocaust really did happen!

There's a reason why Yssup isn't arguing with me.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces (Times of Israel)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided (Jerusalem Post)

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-c...divided-583082

Mossad Chief Visited Doha, Urged Qatar to Continue Hamas Financial Aid (Haaretz)

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...f-ffd88a960000

A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance (Haaretz)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...f-57ff1be90000

Why Did Netanyahu Want to Strengthen Hamas? (Haaretz)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...b-bfdfd8f30000

Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/w...-up-hamas.html

Qatar sent millions to Gaza for years – with Israel’s backing. Here’s what we know about the controversial deal (Tiny's note: Actually billions, not millions - CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middl...ntl/index.html

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Tiny: There are no good choices for Isrel in this, only least-worst choices. If gnocide of the arqabs in Gazxa was their goal, then tyhey would all be dead already. However, the explicitly stated purpose and goal of Hamas is not just the elimination of Israel as a nation, it is the extermination of all Jews world wide.

That is an existential threat to all Jews as a people. That IS the definition of genocide.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Tiny, it is not an easy choice. Again, in the scenario you describe, what are my choices? As Dilbert pointed out, even a CO can end up on the battlefield. Laws are laws and if we do not follow them we can be prosecuted, no matter whether we believe those laws to be fair or not.

Good replies gentlemen. I may disagree with your conclusions, but you've provided good arguments.

ICU, I questioned your statement that Hamas' goal is the extermination of all Jews world wide. I ran across this,

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...nocide/675602/

After reading it, I can see how you can argue that point.

SpeedRacer, I'm assuming the question is rhetorical. And I agree with your post.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Good replies gentlemen. I may disagree with your conclusions, but you've provided good arguments.

ICU, I questioned your statement that Hamas' goal is the extermination of all Jews world wide. I ran across this,

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...nocide/675602/

After reading it, I can see how you can argue that point.

SpeedRacer, I'm assuming the question is rhetorical. And I agree with your post.

Isn’t the goal of all radical Islamic Terrorist the conversion or elimination of all Infidels……..which, by the way, all of us are.?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Isn’t the goal of all radical Islamic Terrorist the conversion or elimination of all Infidels……..which, by the way, all of us are.?

No, it's not. For example, Hamas' goal specified in its 2017 charter is much more limited. It wants Palestinian control over all of the area in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. Which is never going to happen.

But yes, there must be some radical Islamic terrorists who favor the conversion or elimination of all infidels. And there will be more as a result of what's happening in Gaza right now. ISIS arose as a result of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and the deaths of many Iraqi civilians was great for recruiting new members.