voter ID

[jmichael]

Notice how they started to bring up the lack of response after the first few posts. Why give anything they say, any value by responding

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jmichael

Why give anything they say, any value by responding

Or, to put it another way...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

It's ok, we understand!

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by chizzy

maybe some of the wise liberals can explain why voters should not have to show ID to vote and at least have signature verification for mail in voting

liberals screamed that showing ID kept poor people from voting..... WTF?

you need ID to fly, U need ID to write a check, U need ID to buy Beer or cigs and you need ID to obtain food stamps and welfare

so please explain to me why you shouldnt have to show ID to vote

You should have to show ID. But if you're going to make it a requirement, standardize it, roll out efforts to streamline the ID processes, minimize the paperwork and remove as many barriers to obtain them as possible.

That will help remove some of the usual bullets in the lawsuit gun and the excuses for not getting an ID.

I don't like the idea of a national ID, but even with the real ID enhancements there are still 50 states with 50 different procedures, fees and bureaucracies to get one.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

You should have to show ID. But if you're going to make it a requirement, standardize it, roll out efforts to streamline the ID processes, minimize the paperwork and remove as many barriers to obtain them as possible.

That will help remove some of the usual bullets in the lawsuit gun and the excuses for not getting an ID.

I don't like the idea of a national ID, but even with the real ID enhancements there are still 50 states with 50 different procedures, fees and bureaucracies to get one.

Excellent post, thank you

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by jmichael

Notice how they started to bring up the lack of response after the first few posts. Why give anything they say, any value by responding

And here is a post which offers nothing but sarcasm

It's not a hard question, what possible agruement is there against voter id verification unless the liberals want fraudulent votes?

Tell me

[El-mo]

If you’re calling for voter ID, but not a free, national ID program, you're simply looking for voter suppression.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Oh shit! Did someone just bring up Hitler?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

"...when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress."

This is THAT Godwin

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/statu...634232320?s=21

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by El-mo

If you’re calling for voter ID, but not a free, national ID program, you're simply looking for voter suppression.

No. There's definitely layers of context for why national ID's are a terrible idea that you gloss over that have nothing to do with voter suppression.

Even the ACLU can see that.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

If you’re calling for voter ID, but not a free, national ID program, you're simply looking for voter suppression.

please explain how it is in any way vote suppression by confirming with ID who you are?

seriously explain that please

anyone who has the right to vote also has ID. my god,you need it to register to vote

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by chizzy

please explain how it is in any way vote suppression by confirming with ID who you are?

seriously explain that please

anyone who has the right to vote also has ID. my god,you need it to register to vote

Is that the case in all states?

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Is that the case in all states?

In addition to the laws governing what identification all voters must show at the polls, first time voters may face additional requirements. The federal Help America Vote Act (section 15483(b)(2)(A)) mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who register to vote by mail and have not provided verification of their identification at the time of registration. The act lists a "current and valid photo identification" or "a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter” as acceptable forms of ID.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

No. There's definitely layers of context for why national ID's are a terrible idea that you gloss over that have nothing to do with voter suppression.

Even the ACLU can see that.

The ACLU is also not calling for voter id. You can’t have it both ways. If you are insisting that everyone needs to present a valid photo ID in order to vote, but you don’t support a standardized free photo ID program, you are essentially supporting a poll tax, which is voter suppression and also unconstitutional.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

The ACLU is also not calling for voter id. You can’t have it both ways. If you are insisting that everyone needs to present a valid photo ID in order to vote, but you don’t support a standardized free photo ID program, you are essentially supporting a poll tax, which is voter suppression and also unconstitutional.

you need ID to register to vote, so if you have ID to register, you have ID to show when you DO vote

You need ID to register for welfare or any other assistance
you need ID to virtually do anything so the agruement that this causes voter suppression is unfounded and untrue unless you can come up with something else

please give an example

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by chizzy

please explain how it is in any way vote suppression by confirming with ID who you are?

seriously explain that please

anyone who has the right to vote also has ID. my god,you need it to register to vote

You do not need ID to register to vote in most states. You simply need to provide your ssn. The state election board then verifies that the name, ssn and DOB all match the same person.

https://www.headcount.org/voting-faq...gister-t-vote/

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a valid ID. Especially poor and elderly inner-city minorities. Driver's licenses and state ID's are expensive and poor people, ESPECIALLY those who don't drive are less likely to renew theirs. That's why voter ID is voter suppression. The GOP specifically tries to disenfranchise those most likely to vote DEM.

Again, I am not arguing that we shouldn't have require people to show ID, to vote, but if you aren't also fighting for universal free ID, your motives are suspect.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by chizzy

you need ID to register to vote, so if you have ID to register, you have ID to show when you DO vote

You need ID to register for welfare or any other assistance
you need ID to virtually do anything so the agruement that this causes voter suppression is unfounded and untrue unless you can come up with something else

please give an example

Registrations prior to the implementation. Alternatives to the ID requirements like SSN or bills establishing residence