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[Marshall]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I can tell you unequivocally that high-end ladies are the last ladies to partake in BB.

Nina said it, debate it with her.......

[John Bull]

There are no political threads on D&T anymore. And no unkind comments to others either.

[pjorourke]

And damn few posts too.

[guest043013-2]

These boards are all about helping providers and clients get together.

For some, it is all about price points. Here in D&T, price should take a backseat I would think. Guys willing to pay the higher prices are looking for

(1) Discretion - So perhaps having your face plastered all over the world wide web ain't such a good idea for these clients.
(2) Looks - I suspect that when these guys pay this amount, they are hoping to get a model (Playboy style, fashion style, to each his own definition) and maybe less of a girl next door look.
(3) Special activities - Yeh, that may include BBFS, but I am really talking about guys who discreetly want to receive some special activities, something to make them feel like they are special and not just a product of their wallet. Some of the fetishes described in the Other Realm perhaps, who knows. BBFS is probably the least of these activities.
(4) A Connection - They are not looking for a wham-bam, thank you maam session usually. Again, see #3, they may want some rough and tumble activities, but they also want to connect with a lady. Something they have lost with their SO, their family, the little guys at work. Too often we try to use the internet, email, telephone, etc. to forge our relationships. We try to use ECCIE, how often is there a thread about relationships between providers and clients? But the real connection requires a real interaction, not a cyber contact. We have many senses, and to touch, taste, smell, hear and see a wonderful lady fills a void that the world today is missing. Until Bill Gates or Apple learns how to create a scratch and sniff screen, a lick & taste screen, a keyboard that feels like the soft skin of a beautiful woman, a speaker that really transmits a true representation of a lady's voice, her moans, her laugh, until then, we are at best stuck with a high definition 3-D screen representation that falls way short of our needs.

This is where a true HDH makes her mark. ECCIE is/can be one way to begin that sort of client-provider interaction, but perhaps it was not filling the bill for these matches.


P.S.: Unless the fetish desired is to be treated like scum by a lady, or to treat a lady like scum, rude comments don't really fill the needs of the D&T crowd.

[Guest050715-1]

Tigercat, I would agree with your comments to some degree or another. Personally, I offer both the courtesan and the escort experiences. The escort experience is the shorter engagements that every lady, no matter what they say or state on their websites, takes to fill in her dance card and balance out her finances. The courtesan experience is the multi-hour engagements (I personally address this with an off the clock approach.) that are the mainstay of our support. There is a big difference and the requirements are different.

Discretion is just as important if you are in for a penny or a pound.

Looks are important regardless of price point also. I wouldn’t qualify myself as a Playboy model type, but I hold my own. A specific look / type is more important at the escort experience level than over all beauty. I tend to think that the shorter, more escort-type the experience tend to be less focused on intangible beauty than the longer engagements.

Intangible beauty such as intellect, humor, life experiences, age appropriate companion (particularly for public appearances), class, manners, education levels, chemistry, etc. are significantly more important at the courtesan level where the focus is on sweet fun as well as entertaining.

Special activities are just as important at either level. Unfortunately for those on a limited budget, some activities take more time or are just plain more expensive for a couple of reasons. Uncovered sex is ludicrous. I wouldn’t consider it one of the special activities that the gentlemen I see crave. They get that from their wives or mistresses. When someone has a special request it typically leans towards the BDSM. If a gentleman has certain tastes the wander towards the BDSM world and likes to be dominated, I feel one hour is insufficient time for those activities. If a gentleman wishes to dominate me, which I thoroughly enjoy, well then that is significantly more special and has its own costs and rewards.

As to a connection, all people everywhere seek a connection with one’s fellows because we are all human. It may be different for the 20-Somethings of the world; wam bam thank you ma’am may apply. But when a gentleman comes to see me, they are looking for a connection of some kind beyond the obvious.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

This is a recent topic of conversation in Main Discussion too;

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=240632

Of course, all the ladies say business has never been better! It will be interesting to see how this one goes here.
I doubt that many ladies are going to say publicly "Yes business sucks, and I have dropped my rates to the basement level and still can't get any business"

Interesting. Yes, I've dropped rates, but then, I have a steady base of clients I've been seeing for years. In those cases I already made compensations in my fees for how much I liked them, basically.

Something I wouldn't have admitted to before, but now - OK.

[Marshall]

Originally Posted by tigercat

Yeh, that may include BBFS, but I am really talking about guys who discreetly want to receive some special activities, something to make them feel like they are special and not just a product of their wallet.

the mandatory cash payment makes everybody special.....LOL

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by John Bull

After all, one of the benefits of working with ladies from a board like this is that most were experienced and knew how to protect not only themselves but the hobbyist. The MILF or the young girl out for a thrill on Facebook won't have that knowledge

Well, you can use a fake name on Facebook. I also know that a lot of female escorts got their list of names seized when arrested, and one sent out a mass email my s.o. saw. Another sent out a mass email, and I could see all of her customers.

I don't tell these girls my full name when I first meet them, but I do come to trust some of them over time. As for the potential for psychosis among these women, I don't want to say it does not exist, but for the most part, the hottest women have so many options it is ridiculous. I still am stunned at how many men shower money on these women and get nothing sexual in return.

By the way, no one has pointed to a HDH under 30 yet. Anybody come up with anyone?

[John Bull]

I don't tell these girls my full name when I first meet them, but I do come to trust some of them over time.

IMHO the worst mistake a hobbyist can make. Especially a married one or one with a SO. It will come up to bite you one day!

[WTF]

I think woodyboyd is one intuitive MoFo.

[Marshall]

Originally Posted by John Bull

IMHO the worst mistake a hobbyist can make. Especially a married one or one with a SO. It will come up to bite you one day!

WOW!.......didn't think anybody here would be allowed to say what your post implies....

[John Bull]

Don't see why not Marshall. It says what it says and as far as I can see, it violates no Eccie rules. Not only that but the Mod approved it. LOL

[Marshall]

Originally Posted by John Bull

IMHO the worst mistake a hobbyist can make. Especially a married one or one with a SO. It will come up to bite you one day!

Trusting a provider is a mistake for a hobbyist because.....because why?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

I don't buy the notion that the women left because of any "treatment" issues. Maybe that was the case with a few, I don't know, but in the past, the women participated because there was money to be made in a forum like this.
Agreed

And the supply has exploded. When I was in Daytona for Bike Week this spring, the best looking women by far turned out to be working girls. .

Great chapter in the book Freakenomoics about this very thing.


http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6879237.ece

turns out that the typical street prostitute in Chicago works 13 hours a week, performing 10 sex acts during that period, and earns an hourly wage of approximately $27. So her weekly take-home pay is roughly $350. This includes an average of $20 that a prostitute steals from her customers and drugs accepted in lieu of cash.
Their income of roughly $18,000 a year is next to nothing compared with what even low-rent prostitutes in Chicago earned 100 years ago. A woman working in a “dollar house” took home the equivalent of about $76,000 today annually, while prostitutes at the Everleigh Club, the city’s top brothel, could earn the equivalent of about $430,000.
Why has the prostitute’s wage fallen so far? Because demand has fallen dramatically. Not the demand for sex. That is still robust. But prostitution, like any industry, is vulnerable to competition.
Who poses the greatest competition to a prostitute? Simple: any woman who is willing to have sex with a man for free.

[John Bull]

Originally Posted by Marshall

Trusting a provider is a mistake for a hobbyist because.....because why?

I don't know Marshall. You said it, I didn't. Why don't you tell us?