Man sentenced to 16 years in prison for burning stolen LGBT flag outside of a strip club

[friendly fred]

So in this country you can now burn the US flag and that is protected free speech, but if you burn an LGBTQ flag you get 16 years in prison?

The left is so fucked up they must be foreign agents bent upon destroying the United States.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

What the hell do you understand I was talking about when I wrote symbolic? All flags are, by definition, symbols. The flag was sybolic. The burning was a veiled threat. You're just another simple conspiracy theorist looking for a reason to cry like oeb11. 'sum bitches.









Do you feel like victims?

While I agree with flags as symbols part, I got to strongly disagree with the veiled threat angle. I've never agreed with the idea that our thoughts, beliefs, and most importantly, how others perceive us/our actions (it was a veiled threat) are crimes. The action is a crime, the thought behind it shouldn't be.

[kehaar]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

What the hell do you understand I was talking about when I wrote symbolic? All flags are, by definition, symbols. The flag was sybolic. The burning was a veiled threat. You're just another simple conspiracy theorist looking for a reason to cry like oeb11. 'sum bitches.









Do you feel like victims?

I would note the people who burn the american flag, or Donald Trump or George Bush, or the Koch Brothers in effigy are making a non-veiled threat. What should be done with the folks that do such things?

In Orwell's book, they are all thrown in prison, except for those that threaten the people that are the enemy of those in power(they are held up as heroes, and get extra rations). Do you notice any similarity to your argument. You'd make a good propaganda minister in such a world, and would be ruthless(though your post indicate ineffective). I'd bet you'd love torturing those that didn't have your opinion.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by papadee

While I agree with flags as symbols part, I got to strongly disagree with the veiled threat angle. I've never agreed with the idea that our thoughts, beliefs, and most importantly, how others perceive us/our actions (it was a veiled threat) are crimes. The action is a crime, the thought behind it shouldn't be.

I know you can't prosecute somebody for what they think. The simple act of burning the flag, though it was a clear display of hate, was not a hate crime. The thought behind the action isn't either.

I don't think anyone can agree that feelings and perceptions can be criminal.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by kehaar

I would note the people who burn the american flag, or Donald Trump or George Bush, or the Koch Brothers in effigy are making a non-veiled threat. What should be done with the folks that do such things?

They should be protected indefinitely to keep their feelings alive. I don't think you are making a notation, so much as an argument. The feeling of hate is not veiled. The threat of action is. A veiled threat to burn them alive. Or burn America to the ground.

In Orwell's book, they are all thrown in prison, except for those that threaten the people that are the enemy of those in power(they are held up as heroes, and get extra rations). Do you notice any similarity to your argument?

First, question mark. Second, no. No similarities. How can you say I would do the same?

You'd make a good propaganda minister in such a world, and would be ruthless(though your post indicate ineffective). I'd bet you'd love torturing those that didn't have your opinion.

You'd make a fool's bet. I AM ruthless with my propaganda, (Associated Press video of Reagan, anyone?) to be sure. But I use words. Not action. Unlike the El Paso shooter. Like the Irish say: May he live forever.

https://www.quotes.net/mquote/770097

Edward Rutledge:

Must you be so extreme, Dr. Franklin?

Benjamin Franklin:

[Wryly] I'm an extreme moderate, Mr. Rutledge. I believe anybody not in favor of moderation and compromise ought to be castrated and that all this should be sent down to the... the Parliament for they seem to need - how should I put it? - stones. [He smiles broadly]

[papadee]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

I know you can't prosecute somebody for what they think. The simple act of burning the flag, though it was a clear display of hate, was not a hate crime. The thought behind the action isn't either.

I don't think anyone can agree that feelings and perceptions can be criminal.

Not sure I understand your argument. What then are hate crimes? Thoughts aren't prosecuted, but crimes committed because of those thoughts are prosecuted more harshly than the same crime w/o those thoughts. States have hate crime statutes on their books, which provide for harsher penalities.
If someone receives a harsher sentence because of their hate, aren't they being more severely punished for their thoughts?

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by papadee

Not sure I understand your argument. What then are hate crimes? Thoughts aren't prosecuted, but crimes committed because of those thoughts are prosecuted more harshly than the same crime w/o those thoughts.

Yes. Let's say, for arguments sake, a person is assaulted for bothering somebody. Just for being a pest. Crime. If a person is assaulted just for wearing (and I swear I've seen this) a T-shirt that reads "CAN YOU TELL I'M GAY?", a rainbow colored headband, short "seventies" style shorts and fluorescent socks with running shoes, then I consider that a hate crime. There's no reason what that person is wearing should bother anyone. I saw that at a major chain restaurant and sports bar.

States have hate crime statutes on their books, which provide for harsher penalities.
If someone receives a harsher sentence because of their hate, aren't they being more severely punished for their thoughts?

Yes. The motive and action. I have thoughts of jumping on women when I see them in a certian yoga pose. But I don't do it.

It's a special case. Crimes for the sole reason of hate should be treated differently. Hate is no excuse for breaking the law. Nor is lust. Tack an extra penalty for it. A deterrent.

This is my hard-line opinion. My position. Not based on any study or scholastic background on the subject.

[dilbert firestorm]

hate crime laws should be tossed as unconstitutional.


you already have exiting laws that deal with those things, adding hate crime just encumbers it with unfairness.


I should point out that law is not applied equally. it is never used against minorities who commit similar hate crimes. at least, i've not seen one reported in the news.

[dilbert firestorm]

oh here a similar thing too in britain on transgenders... this is a WTF moment too.



https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...m-speech-case/

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

oh here a similar thing too in britain on transgenders... this is a WTF moment too.



https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...m-speech-case/

In his ruling, employment Judge Taylor said that Ms Forstater’s gender-critical position “is incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others”.


BAHHAHHAHHAAAAAAA

[oeb11]

When Anti-Fa burns confederate flags - the DPST's are all in favor of it.

This is a restriction of freedom of speech - and I do hope it is appealed.

A hideous sentence that is clearly politically motivated to punish a conservative point of view.

Not that i advocate burning flags - but when it is a freedom of speech for DPST's to burn Old Glory - holding up the LGBTQ flag as protected above old Glory is inappropriate and offensive.

it is special privileges above "equality under the law" - and puts DPST's as more equal than others - something they greatly desire.


Thank you Lenny Bruce

9500 and Eric Swalwell may now go play with their nukes and friends in Iran and hamas.

Don't get "triggered' by reading my post. Take a diazepam first.

[rexdutchman]

WOW , Idiocy and hypocrisy at the same time. If you can burn the us flag all other are fair game right ( well not under socialism )

[WTF]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

So in this country you can now burn the US flag and that is protected free speech, but if you burn an LGBTQ flag you get 16 years in prison?

The left is so fucked up they must be foreign agents bent upon destroying the United States.

I thought you were a JewishLawyer?

You should know the difference between burning a flag you purchased and a flag you stole.

God Damn , you're sounding like a fucking idiot.

[oeb11]

DPST's encourage the burning of the American Flag as "free speech" - but don't think anyone is entitled to free speech regarding their Plantation politics groups such as LGBTQ -

Lousy rotten Hypocrites.

NY Gov Grinch Cuomo will not let gay folks marry before a Federal judge - might be a Trump appointee.

The TDS , hatred, and fear/terror of the DPST's is showing.

LOL

[WTF]

Originally Posted by oeb11

DPST's encourage the burning of the American Flag as "free speech" - but don't think anyone is entitled to free speech regarding their Plantation politics groups such as LGBTQ -

Lousy rotten Hypocrites.

NY Gov Grinch Cuomo will not let gay folks marry before a Federal judge - might be a Trump appointee.

The TDS , hatred, and fear/terror of the DPST's is showing.

LOL

Your dumbass seems not capable of distinguishing destroying private property and destroying your own fucking property.

That said the sentence is way too long and like dilbert, I think "Hate Crimes" are stupid. Who cares why you say murdered someone. Hate , greed, love all the same.