For the Karens....

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

He changed his advice because of additional evidence. He didn't lie.


Come on man! This guy has been in this business for 100 years and he didn't know whether masks would be effective or not? Were masks effective on seasonal flu pre Covid? He admitted he was less than truthful because he wanted to protect the limited number of what he thought were the only effective masks available, the N95.


I don't know how much Fauci had to do with Operation Warp Speed, but if he had a substantial role he's a hero. He's a hero anyway for his work with HIV.

There have been plenty of hero's who were also liars in history much like our hero's that owned slaves.



Tiny, this is so much more than whether he was less than truthful about masks. It's now about whether he lied about knowing of Gain of Function research in China. It's about whether he was less than truthful because doing so would "open up a can of worms" for himself and for the guy at ECCO Health who thanked Fauci in an e-mail for covering his ass with the "the best evidence shows it jumped form animal to human not from the lab" when the fact was they had no real evidence of either and still don't but now that Trump is gone "EVERYBODY" is connecting the dots.


Now that is a sad state of affairs that the MSM in this country, completely discounted something simply because it came from Trump and now that Trump is gone, is falling all over themselves to make it look, as Fauci is now doing, that they always thought the lab leak was a possibility when all the while what they were truly saying, was that it was a completely debunked conspiracy theory and would ruin anybody that said otherwise until now of course.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Do you work at being this character, or does it come natural?

I hope one day we will have an answer to that question.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

He changed his advice because of additional evidence. He didn't lie.

I'm watching the new version of the movie Midway. If the movie's right, after the Battle of the Coral Sea, the American admirals believed the next major Japanese naval offensive would be in the southwest Pacific. So that's where they were marshalling their resources. But based on intelligence intercepts they came to instead believe the target would be Midway. And so they withdrew resources from the southwest Pacific and sent aircraft carriers and other vessels towards Midway instead. Does that make the admirals liars? No, they were heroes. They and the American seamen and pilots were responsible for the greatest victory in American naval history.

I don't know how much Fauci had to do with Operation Warp Speed, but if he had a substantial role he's a hero. He's a hero anyway for his work with HIV.

Don't be too quick to give Fauci any Kudos. Not all of his emails have been analyzed yet. Besides that he's a Government Bureaucrat and they are not always on the level. I have to wonder, if the Covid-19 Virus was indeed manipulated in a Lab setting for the intentions by specific design to render the virus more transmissible and lethal to the human population what does that say about the Vaccine?

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Don't be too quick to give Fauci any Kudos. Not all of his emails have been analyzed yet. Besides that he's a Government Bureaucrat and they are not always on the level. I have to wonder, if the Covid-19 Virus was indeed manipulated in a Lab setting for the intentions by specific design to render the virus more transmissible and lethal to the human population what does that say about the Vaccine?

Good Lord! You dream up some wild theories! Are you gonna go searching for evidence, now? Bwahahahahaha!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong

That's not true.

He admitted that he purposefully lied in order to stop people from draining the supply of masks. He also lied about the percent it would take to reach herd immunity in order to calm the public. That's his own words.

We agree on lockdowns. But we're at different ends of the scale on masks. You're a mask hater and I'm a mask lover. I worked in Asia during the SARS epidemic, saw people in Hong Kong and Singapore and other places wearing masks, thought they were on to something, and have had a stash of medical N95 masks since 2005. I was masking up when Fauci and the CDC said not to. I was posting about masks here when the CDC said not to wear them. At that time, in March of last year, it wasn't political. Hotrod, who's a strong Trump supporter, was offering good advice on how to get hold of N95 masks for industrial use.

What I'm leading into, I used to agree with you, that the CDC in particular was lying to people so health care workers would have enough masks. I wasn't following what Fauci was saying closely back then, but remember he was a little cagey in his advice. In March I believe he was saying things like don't wear a mask because the hospitals need them. But I was drinking heavily so am not sure. Anyway the Email in the original post leads me to believe Fauci was sincere. He's emailing some university and government big wig and telling her masks aren't worth it. Sounds like he believed it at that time.

As to the herd immunity, I don't remember him saying anything unreasonable about that, and don't see why he'd have a reason to lie about it.

[Jacuzzme]

Fauci admits to lying to the public about masks, explaining he did so because the hospitals needed them, and nobody seems to have a problem with it. He should be canned for that alone afaic.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

Good Lord! You dream up some wild theories! Are you gonna go searching for evidence, now? Bwahahahahaha!

Wild theories sometimes lead to the truth. Cowering in the corner leads to nothing.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Don't be too quick to give Fauci any Kudos. Not all of his emails have been analyzed yet. Besides that he's a Government Bureaucrat and they are not always on the level. I have to wonder, if the Covid-19 Virus was indeed manipulated in a Lab setting for the intentions by specific design to render the virus more transmissible and lethal to the human population what does that say about the Vaccine?

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

There have been plenty of hero's who were also liars in history much like our hero's that owned slaves.



Tiny, this is so much more than whether he was less than truthful about masks. It's now about whether he lied about knowing of Gain of Function research in China. It's about whether he was less than truthful because doing so would "open up a can of worms" for himself and for the guy at ECCO Health who thanked Fauci in an e-mail for covering his ass with the "the best evidence shows it jumped form animal to human not from the lab" when the fact was they had no real evidence of either and still don't but now that Trump is gone "EVERYBODY" is connecting the dots.


Now that is a sad state of affairs that the MSM in this country, completely discounted something simply because it came from Trump and now that Trump is gone, is falling all over themselves to make it look, as Fauci is now doing, that they always thought the lab leak was a possibility when all the while what they were truly saying, was that it was a completely debunked conspiracy theory and would ruin anybody that said otherwise until now of course.

Gentlemen, I don't buy the whole China/Fauci conspiracy thing. I just tried to find out what kind of budget Fauci's overseeing. The 2022 budget for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is 6.2 billion. Did $600,000 end up in the hands of the Wuhan virus lab over some period of years? It wouldn't surprise me. That's a tiny % of the budget that Fauci oversaw. And most likely a small % of the Wuhan lab's funding. Who are you going to blame it on? Whichever bureaucrat decided to spend the money? Fauci? The Secretary of HHS? Trump? Hell if I know. And it's a little premature to go assigning blame yet. We don't know if the virus leaked out of the lab yet, or if gain of function research was done on COVID 19 in Wuhan. Maybe it made sense to provide some funds to them to have some kind of input into their safety protocols, etc. I recall from a post here that their safety was found lacking around 2018 by some outfit like the CDC or the WHO. Well, it probably makes sense to be on the same team with them, encouraging them to use best practices, IMHO. I know you disagree.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Fauci admits to lying to the public about masks, explaining he did so because the hospitals needed them, and nobody seems to have a problem with it. He should be canned for that alone afaic.

I see where he was advising people not to wear masks as late as March 8. If you've got a link to where he admits he was lying I'd be very curious to see it.

The CDC coming into this was advising people not to wear masks to avoid getting the flu. Presumably they'd have the same advice for coronaviruses. And that was when there was no shortage of masks. That's not to say that part of the reason for the advice was to try to discourage a run on masks by the public if something like the Spanish flu hit us.

[Jacuzzme]

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauc...e-start-2020-6

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Gentlemen, I don't buy the whole China/Fauci conspiracy thing. I just tried to find out what kind of budget Fauci's overseeing. The 2022 budget for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is 6.2 billion. Did $600,000 end up in the hands of the Wuhan virus lab over some period of years? It wouldn't surprise me. That's a tiny % of the budget that Fauci oversaw. And most likely a small % of the Wuhan lab's funding. Who are you going to blame it on? Whichever bureaucrat decided to spend the money? Fauci? The Secretary of HHS? Trump? Hell if I know. And it's a little premature to go assigning blame yet. We don't know if the virus leaked out of the lab yet, or if gain of function research was done on COVID 19 in Wuhan. Maybe it made sense to provide some funds to them to have some kind of input into their safety protocols, etc. I recall from a post here that their safety was found lacking around 2018 by some outfit like the CDC or the WHO. Well, it probably makes sense to be on the same team with them, encouraging them to use best practices, IMHO. I know you disagree.

Who cares who gets blamed. Even if it is Trump Criminals don't get a pass. There is no reason for the United States to fund any type of Scientific Research in China or any other Communist Country. There is way too many unanswered questions. The Wet Market Theory has been long been proven to be bullshit. There's not much else that remains to explain the origin of this Pandemic. The theory that Covid was born in a Lab is certainly not a stretch.

[myren1900]

What is hilarious is that all these people who call Fauci a liar are trusting Trump!!!

Talking about a weird wired brain !!!

[Strokey_McDingDong]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Now that is a sad state of affairs that the MSM in this country, completely discounted something simply because it came from Trump and now that Trump is gone, is falling all over themselves to make it look, as Fauci is now doing, that they always thought the lab leak was a possibility when all the while what they were truly saying, was that it was a completely debunked conspiracy theory and would ruin anybody that said otherwise until now of course.

THey're now blaming T R U M P for them being blatantly biased and retarded.

[Strokey_McDingDong]

Originally Posted by Tiny

As to the herd immunity, I don't remember him saying anything unreasonable about that, and don't see why he'd have a reason to lie about it.

He started out by saying we needed 60% of the population to be vaccinated or with antibodies to reach herd immunity. Then he said 70%, and at one point that number went up to 90%. When asked why he kept changing his answer, he said that he didn't want to alarm the public.

[Strokey_McDingDong]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Anyway the Email in the original post leads me to believe Fauci was sincere. He's emailing some university and government big wig and telling her masks aren't worth it. Sounds like he believed it at that time.

Idk. The dude just seems to make up random shit every time he opens his mouth.

I was never really against people wearing masks. I'm mainly against lockdowns and the government enforcing masks and turning the country into a police state to enforce retarded CDC guidelines.

I personally don't enjoy wearing masks, though.