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pjorourke · 11-20-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Doove

Just for the record, i would like to state that PJ and RK are 2 of the most intelligent human beings i have ever encountered anywhere. Honest!

I'm glad to hear that. Your opinions are so very important to me.

charlestudor2005 · 11-20-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pjorourke

I'm glad to hear that. Your opinions are so very important to me.

Shit, PJ, you don't give a damn about anyone's opinions, much less Doove.

angelinadream · 11-20-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I've never told a lady she's been a lousy f*ck. OTOH, I've never always been fully satisfied. If that's a white lie, I'll live with it. If that's a gray lie, I'll live with it. If that's a cruel lie...sorry, I'll live with that one, too.

There's a big difference between telling a white lie to protect someone's feelings, and abondoning being a gentleman in order to be cruelly blunt.

me too.....

FLWrite · 11-20-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by atlcomedy

White lies are fine.

Disagree.

Respectfully.

Adamantly, but respectfully.

pjorourke · 11-20-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Shit, PJ, you don't give a damn about anyone's opinions, much less Doove.

Well duh!!!

a) You missed the sarcasm smiley
b) This is a thread on white lies. My comment was just as sincere as his was.

I hate having to explain jokes to the feeble minded.

Sisyphus · 11-20-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Shit, PJ, you don't give a damn about anyone's opinions, much less Doove.

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Originally Posted by pjorourke

Well duh!!!

a) You missed the sarcasm smiley
b) This is a thread on white lies. My comment was just as sincere as his was.

I hate having to explain jokes to the feeble minded.

CT2005...my man...at this point I can only infer that you actually enjoy this type of treatment as you walk right into it so often.

Whatever floats your boat, 'bro.....

atlcomedy · 11-20-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pjorourke

Well duh!!!

a) You missed the sarcasm smiley
b) This is a thread on white lies. My comment was just as sincere as his was.

I hate having to explain jokes to the feeble minded.

I suspect JB appreciates you making that effort to explain, otherwise Tudor would be hitting the "Report Inappropriate Post" button about 25 times a day instead of his current 10.

:shak ehead:

charlestudor2005 · 11-20-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I suspect JB appreciates you making that effort to explain, otherwise Tudor would be hitting the "Report Inappropriate Post" button about 25 times a day instead of his current 10.

:shak ehead:

Damn, atl, who's breaking the rules by feeding you PM info???

Guest083011 · 11-20-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TexTushHog

What the hell did I lie about??!!

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Originally Posted by pjorourke

I thought you said you were a lawyer.

LOL

How white is the lie? I am out right lying to my wife about see other women (paid or not).

I am curious when a woman has posted that she wants a honest man. But then will sleep with me knowing full well I am screwing around behind my wife's back. I find it just curious that's all. I guess she can deal with the transgression when the money/gift is placed on a purse or table. Probably what makes the world go 'round.

I can agree that lying to a spouse is WAY more than a white lie to avoid a social engagement (BTDT).

discreetgent · 11-20-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SR Only

LOL

How white is the lie? I am out right lying to my wife about see other women (paid or not).

Yeah, I think PJ covered that in his original post "We probably all ... acknowledge that outright lying is not something any of us aspire to (yes, even in this world)."

Camille · 11-21-2010, 01:38 AM

White lies...hmmmmmm....

Expose or protect?
Using the old "does my arse look fat in this....?" example...
If the reasonable risk of protecting them with a white lie is higher than exposing them to humiliation..go for it. If it's the reverse, do not proceed.

C

Guest083011 · 11-21-2010, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Camille

Using the old "does my arse look fat in this....?"

C

Talk about a no win. Head for ze hills. Run away, run away!

Or another:
The check is in the mail.

WTF · 11-21-2010, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FLWrite

Disagree.

Respectfully.

Adamantly, but respectfully.

Expound , please.

FLWrite · 11-21-2010, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WTF

Expound , please.

I will try although I have just a moment. I believe we all agree that lies are inappropriate. Lies, by definition, are an attempt to deceive. White lies, as being defined here, are an attempt to deceive for a greater good.

Succinctly, that lies are bad must come from some authority. I'll not argue the origins right now. Just let the point stand: some authority greater than me gets to say what is "good" and what is "bad." If I begin to interject subjectivity into the process, saying that I respect the authority but I indeed have the authority to determine what is a "shade of good" then I am assuming I am also an authority on the subject of what is good and what is bad. I do not relish that role.

I believe it is in the heart of us all to use the "white lie" to protect others. But I believe diplomacy to be the art of avoiding the lie while STILL being able to protect the other. Just because I lack diplomacy skills to accomplish my task does not give me license to resort to the use of tools which are "bad."

Do I lie at times? Guilty. Do I excuse certain lies as being acceptable because of their rank and grade? I do not. All of my lies are lies.

WTF · 11-21-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FLWrite

I believe it is in the heart of us all to use the "white lie" to protect others. But I believe diplomacy to be the art of avoiding the lie while STILL being able to protect the other. Just because I lack diplomacy skills to accomplish my task does not give me license to resort to the use of tools which are "bad."

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I won't argue the origin either but can we for arguments sake state that evolution has the final say? ( at least in this world)

So if white lies in essence is nothing more than a form of rhetoric , isn't it then a battle between lies and diplomacy? People not blessed with the art of diplomacy are then faced with a dilemma and from what I have read the really good liars are winning!

"MSNBC is reporting that a Columbia Business School study shows those who hold power over others make better liars. According to one of the study's coauthors, 'It just doesn't hurt them as much to do it.' For the average liar, she said, the act of lying elicits negative emotions, physiological stress and the fear of getting caught in a lie. As a result, she added, liars will often send out cues that they are lying by doing things like fidgeting in a chair or changing the rate of their speech. But for the powerful, the impact is very different: 'Power, it seems, enhances the same emotional, cognitive, and physiological systems that lie-telling depletes. People with power enjoy positive emotions, increases in cognitive function, and physiological resilience such as lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol. Thus, holding power over others might make it easier for people to tell lies.'"

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Originally Posted by FLWrite

Do I lie at times? Guilty. Do I excuse certain lies as being acceptable because of their rank and grade? I do not. All of my lies are lies.

I agree, there are no shades, only lies.