The glory days of the HDH are over.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by Camille

So true. The term HDH is so ambiguous. It would be more accurate to say "Exclusive companion"....because that's exactly what the HDH was originally..very very exclusive. Such things typically appeal to the cognescenti..who know the difference between high priced and high end.

C xx

Very true. I do not consider myself high priced companion. But I would definitely consider myself more of a semi-exclusive and high class companion due to my interests, background and preferences.

Lina

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by Camille

..who know the difference between high priced and high end.

"High end", would that be the ass on a tall woman?

[John Bull]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

"High end", would that be the ass on a tall woman?

Right on PJ

I don't consider a $400 per hour lady to be a HDH. Maybe that's just me but my cutoff would be $800 with a 2 hr minimum to be a HDH. Now, as always, the ladies who are on the cutting edge may say, "but I'm this close. I should be one too". But it doesn't work that way.

In addition to the dollar amount, the HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date.

She must also have some above average social graces and be able to talk about something beyond who Johnny Depp is dating this week.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Right on PJ

I don't consider a $400 per hour lady to be a HDH. Maybe that's just me but my cutoff would be $800 with a 2 hr minimum to be a HDH. Now, as always, the ladies who are on the cutting edge may say, "but I'm this close. I should be one too". But it doesn't work that way.

In addition to the dollar amount, the HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date.

She must also have some above average social graces and be able to talk about something beyond who Johnny Depp is dating this week.

Oh noour esteemed "Super Moderator" is trying to define an HDHWhere is the "popcorn" smilie when you need it?

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Right on PJ

I don't consider a $400 per hour lady to be a HDH. Maybe that's just me but my cutoff would be $800 with a 2 hr minimum to be a HDH. Now, as always, the ladies who are on the cutting edge may say, "but I'm this close. I should be one too". But it doesn't work that way.

In addition to the dollar amount, the HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date.

She must also have some above average social graces and be able to talk about something beyond who Johnny Depp is dating this week.

Should we have a term of Medium Dollar Hotties for those of us who do not impose minimum of 2h/800, have face and body of plus size magazine cover page model, comfortable at black tie affair as much as in swing club and have no idea who Jonny Depp is dating this week?

Lina

[Camille]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Right on PJ

I don't consider a $400 per hour lady to be a HDH. Maybe that's just me but my cutoff would be $800 with a 2 hr minimum to be a HDH. Now, as always, the ladies who are on the cutting edge may say, "but I'm this close. I should be one too". But it doesn't work that way.

In addition to the dollar amount, the HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date.

She must also have some above average social graces and be able to talk about something beyond who Johnny Depp is dating this week.

JB you make me laugh lol
You know, I was going to say that anyone who has an hourly rate would not really be considered high end if applying the statement I used above (meaning "exclusivity). But someone say charging $1k per hour probably is. I'm not sure that even $800 for 2 hrs would be high end these days..because it's not an uncommon rate/timeframe..therefore lacks exclusivity. It's all relative though isn't it? Especially in certain geographical areas. High end in one state/country is not necessarily so in another. I'm not sure I agree with your contention about cover model looks. I've known several women with a 4 hour minimum above $2k that are good looking..but not cover girls. It's the exclusivity that sells first and foremost. Like I said though, it's all relative to the eye of the beholder and geographic terrain.

Now, about Johnny Depp....

[Carrie Hillcrest]

Psh. EVERYBODY knows that Johnny Depp's been in a relationship with French singer/actress Vanessa Paradis since 1998.

(Whoops, my Medium-High Dollar Hottie status is showing!)

[WTF]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Conceptually I agree with you. But bank bank runs are very ugly, particularly on the scale we were talking in 2008. The problem that most banks had was not one of too little capital to take the hit from bad mortgages (although capital did need to be higher), what they were missing was liquidity.

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Liquidity my ass. What they were missing was moral hazard and you know it as well as I do.
The real problem is/was that they were to big to fail. That is the problem, period.

Originally Posted by pjorourke

AIG is another fucking mess that shouldn't have been done the way it was. We will do better there than WTF thinks, but will probably lose something. Most of the trading positions are being unwound and the healthy subs are being sold off to pay back the loans. The US will end up owning 80% of whatever is left.

We will never get back what we put into AIG. Oh we might pay back ourself with money that has half the buying power of the money we loaned but really, is anyone going to buy that dog and pony show?

[Camille]

Originally Posted by Carrie Hillcrest

Psh. EVERYBODY knows that Johnny Depp's been in a relationship with French singer/actress Vanessa Paradis since 1998.

(Whoops, my Medium-High Dollar Hottie status is showing!)

And can I just add...how the hell does he wear so well?
He's 47 for goodness sake. He looks the same as he did 15 years ago.
Yeah...he's scrumptious

See what you started JB

And PJ..I saw that ass comment cheeky lol

xx

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by Carrie Hillcrest

Psh. EVERYBODY knows that Johnny Depp's been in a relationship with French singer/actress Vanessa Paradis since 1998.

(Whoops, my Medium-High Dollar Hottie status is showing!)

Thats it .. your reputation is ruined!!! And its all Jonny's fault

Not to derail the conversation .. but if you are in Dallas week of 11th, would love to meet you!

Lina

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by Camille

And PJ..I saw that ass comment cheeky lol

xx

Punny!

[guest012511]

Originally Posted by Carrie Hillcrest

Psh. EVERYBODY knows that Johnny Depp's been in a relationship with French singer/actress Vanessa Paradis since 1998.

I'm with Carrie:

V.P is also extremely intelligent and very popular in France....

[guest060911]

I have a lot to say…go figure!! lol

Originally Posted by Camille

I'm really struggling to understand (and always have) why some people find it REALLY hard to grasp that different strokes for different folks do exist…It's not that hard to figure out what a woman is looking for (or not looking for) in the demi world when you look at her minimum time or packages…$2500/4hrs is looking for a "dating" experience…The rate does not mean she is "better" at anything..other than marketing well for what she wants.

Goodness, this is so true, because when I finally get up to $1000 minimum one day...trust that!...the experience will still be the same fabulous one I’ve been offering since day one, because your reputation precedes you and genuine character has never been and never will be based off of rates…rather YOU as a person. So a provider either has the ability to offer a highly sought after experience or not, which does not correlate with rates, and most men with money can see value. And some would see an overnight ($2500) as having more value than a 4hr date ($2500) simply because he can spend more time with an exquisite companion (assuming both are superb despite rates or time minimum). And one may conceivably think the lady with the 4hr date could afford nicer amenities, but to be realistic, securing 4-5+ venue is not difficult and most men with real money will pay for it anyway. And in some cases, a lady who can bring in an additional ON a month vs. the 4hr engagement provider at $2500 may have more cash flow for superior facilities as well (if this is a determining factor). And in the scheme of it all, everything balances out in the cosmic world...and it’s all good.

Originally Posted by Rudyard K

…Once one becomes a regular, the provider knows a lot more about the regular. What he likes...what he doesn't like...is he into sports...does he like wine...does he like 'em looking sexy and hot or prim and proper...does he like to play games...etc...

This is so true and when a regular emails me and can automatically recall if he likes a bowl of cherries vs. strawberries or Riesling vs. H2O, etc. Regulars are great to have, because while you may know a lot about them, there are always new quirks to discover, which is always nice.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

…What is different now is the money customers have is down, the supply of providers is up, and these providers have more aged and presumably less frisky clients. They also have to compete with an old business model but one that has surged in popularity, the sugar baby…Instead of embracing the new model, adapting to it, and potentially making more money than ever…CD business like the HDH business IMO will never return to its former glory. Those HDHs then are like the record companies who think that they can wait out the downturn IMO are making a big mistake…Just as there are always people who are going to buy CDs instead of MP3s, there are going to be people who see HDHs. However, that number IMO is going to be less and less…So my questions on value were nothing personal towards anyone but to provoke thought. Why would anyone pay $16 for a CD when they can download the music on the CD for $10?...And similarly, Why would anyone pay thousands to a HDH for a dinner date when they can see a sugar baby and pay her thousands for multiple dinner dates?...Maybe all you HDHs can get together, accept the new reality, adapt to it, put together a new product like Jobs did, and make more than ever before. I am not sure how, but I think it would be worthwhile to at least think about it.

Ok first, I get what you’re saying about companions being comparable to record companies, but I think where we disagree is that being a companion is highly individual and some are not here to make the biggest profit possible. You see, some of us are content with seeing a handful of guys that will ensure an income of 5k/month, rather than 5k/week. So if that’s a companion’s goal and it fits well with her priorities and lifestyle, then she does not have to adapt to a SD model and she can simply wait it out. Of course several of these companions will simply become flexible and more generous with their time to sustain their regulars, although it’s not an expectation right off the bat (which is what you had my panties in a bunch about last week…lol), rather it becomes a you scratch my back, I scratch yours because we are regular friends type of situation for lots of people now...I am certain.

Also, I think you will find some ladies will wait it out depending on their personal financial needs. If they live a simple life, it’s possible to do so. And they can always tour (being less available to locals which creates a greater desire) or get a real job in order to prevent the market from dictating their highly personal financial choices. And maybe it’s the fighter in me, but every time my market says publicly that I cannot maintain a rate because I’m not a spinner or blonde, I fight until I can. So some ladies will get a job if need be…and who is to say they don’t already have one? Because after all, this is highly personal as we are delving into other’s finances.

And while the industry is not perfect and I understand the masses are hurting, there are still men who will drop $$$$$ regularly. And perhaps they aren’t spending it on the $1k/hr provider, but instead the $1k/dinner date companion who is generous with her time because she wants a return visit...and in many cases, he will tip a be $1k (no joke)...just because he can and he realizes the lady is worth just as much as the HDH with the 4hr minimum. So I guess until these men stop paying, ladies will maintain their relatively higher rates…whatever they are.

And to each their own. I just truly wish the best for all of the lovely ladies here (especially my twitter friends) that they are able to meet their financial goals, etc…whether that’s about making a profit or simply keeping a roof over one’s head. Hugs.

Lastly, in terms of CDs and purchasing expensive products when there is an inexpensive alternative, it will always be this way. If a person can afford something and they really want it, they will pay for it.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

…I stated discuss not bitch…And since you seem so certain of what drives the market, please share it with the rest of it…I posted about the amount of wealth lost, the supply of younger women, and the decreased demand from aging men.

Bitching aside, because it’s not very nice (j/k), I agree with you that the supply of women has increased. Just being in the industry two and a half years, I’ve seen an influx of ladies, which most definitely drives the market. And I have found that living in a market that isn’t saturated with women like me to be beneficial. And I understand this can’t be the case for all ladies, but THANK GOODNESS I am not a blonde hair, blue eyed Minnesotan.

Originally Posted by Laurentius

…But what I CAN tell you is this: High Dollar Hotties EXIST…And for HDHs to exist, SOMEBODY must be paying them…So...why don't you tell me...since HDHs indisputably exist...WHO is booking them?...There are rich guys who do NOT hang out in your locker room, do NOT participate on message boards and do NOT write reviews who will book these ladies overnight…and they don't tell you that they are doing it.

Yes, a lot of the overnight type gentlemen I know aren’t on any boards, but some are, and I would venture to say this is because the internet is more prevalent now and so even “high end/dollar” gentlemen periodically visit boards to see if there are any recent busts, etc. And I don’t know what your definition of these guys with money are, but I found that gents who typically drop over $1k or more regularly do NOT participate in the review system/board culture, as it's…THIS IS RARE…even if a few do. However, it would seems this entire discussion is worthless given there is no standard definition of what constitutes high dollar. lol

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

…might be a customer once again if the model were right…As of right now, there is no way I would. I can't justify spending the money…That said, if the women in the HDH world aren't hurting, then there is no reason to adopt a new model… Besides, who is to say that if a woman drops her rates, that her gross income goes down. She may make more money by getting a higher volume….

I think in the long-run it is simply best to do what works well for your particular situation. After all, this industry is supposed to be about fun, not stress over money. So keep a look out and you will meet the right lady, I’m certain. However, just don’t be surprised if the lady you really want to meet isn't up to negotiating straight off the bat. Some ladies prefer to invest a little time into developing a friendship before progressing to said discussion. And you might find that there are some ladies who offer both models. Good luck.

Originally Posted by John Bull

Been thinking back to earlier in the thread when SugarBaby's were mentioned. I've never done the SB thing and therefore have no firsthand knowledge of it but… Now he spends hours and hours on the SB sites trying to get a date. Apparently it is very hard for an older guy to negotiate that venue. He's lucky if he gets a date twice a month and the quality...

I did the sugar baby thing from 18-22 years old. I don’t know what it’s like now, but the shopping, dinners a couple of times a week, $1k every few days or every other week was nice. And while that might not be a lot to some people, most college kids I know would not complain. And I am not opposed a SD model or the clock-free date as long as negotiating isn’t involved at the beginning or an expectation upon first contact to a provider. It just seems crass to me, but to each their own. People do it all of the time, before any type of friendship or foundation is built. Then once they are friends, it might not be so difficult for an old man to negotiate a little, though some ladies won’t go for it, of course.

Lol…the funny thing is that when I decided to become an escort, I thought that gents would be just as generous with me without a history. lol. And having had sugar daddies spoil me, so I was in for a rude awakening when I posted my first escort ad on CL (didn’t know where else to go) at $500/hr. LMAO!!

Originally Posted by Laurentius

…Fair enough. But this is why I posited the issue of wealth distribution. Something like 34% of the wealth in this country is controlled by 1% of the population. THIS group of people is what constitutes most of the demand for HDHs. Some of these HDHs charge $4k/pop... I'm sorry, but because of wealth distribution, I don't think their market has overall been adversely affected. A billionaire who has lost $200M can still afford an HDH with ease.

There will always be the haves and the have-nots. The haves will always be able to afford to play even if the masses cannot…and they will play by their own rules, because they can.

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

Very true. I do not consider myself high priced companion. But I would definitely consider myself more of a semi-exclusive and high class companion due to my interests, background and preferences…Lina

I hear that’s considered high end, which does not necessarily equate to high price. I don’t know, but “high end” gents have always felt compatible (interests, etc) with me and my prices are not high. So I think you can be high end in terms of presentation, culture and background but not $800/2hr. IDK, but growing up around kids with Ferraris etc, I know enough to know that you can have roots in certain social cultures or understand a lifestyle even if your rates are not $800+/2hr. And there are some high priced ladies who get by on looks or providing PSE and are not socially or culturally high end in any form or fashion. So I guess it’s all about perspective.

Originally Posted by John Bull

…the HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date…

I think there are a lot of ladies out there with not so attractive faces, yet they get by on having a nice figure and grace. I guess as long as they have enough to cut it, they can get by as high end/price…whatever.

Originally Posted by Camille

JB you make me laugh lol …It is all relative though isn't it? Especially in certain geographical areas. High end in one state/country is not necessarily so in another. I'm not sure I agree with your contention about cover model looks. I've known several women with a 4 hour minimum above $2k that are good looking..but not cover girls. It's the exclusivity that sells first and foremost. Like I said though, it's all relative to the eye of the beholder…

I agree that it’s all relative. In Minneapolis, they think $300/hr is too expensive and some of them complain about ladies charging $200/hr, where in other locations this would be ridiculously low and quite possibly scare off most gents. Regardless, in generally it helps to be in a geographical location where you can stand out. And if most ladies had the luxury to up and move to somewhere they are considered unique, everyone would be doing well. I just know that if I were in Vegas or NYC, I would probably be starving unless I lost some weight and revealed my face. So you are right about that how geography can influence a provider’s business.

Anyway, what always stumps me is that so many guys insist on a perfect body or pick that over the blurred face, when they don’t realize the lady with the blurred face and relatively less expensive rates with comparable companion experience may overall be better looking in person than the lady with the nice body. And yes, looks are in the eyes of the beholder, but come on now…there are some beautiful ladies with exquisite faces who simply cannot charge as much because they don’t have the body.

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Ok, that was my dissertation for the week. Have a great Tuesday everyone!!

Xoxo.

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Right on PJ
The HDH must have the figure and the face of a magazine cover girl. If she doesn't, then she's just a high priced call girl hoping to get a date.

The 'HDHs' that dominated ASPD and this board have not been like that all. In fact 'fair' would be the best report I generally got from most clients who also knew them.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by Hanna Darling

I'm with Carrie:

V.P is also extremely intelligent and very popular in France....

So true Hannah!
I knew who VP was before I knew who JD was.
Do you remember, "Joe le Taxi?" Wow..that's a longgggg time ago lol.
She's very involved in their other companies outside of the film industry and word has it that she knows how to make a mean bottle of bordeaux on that vineyard of theirs. Anyone up for a wine tasting trip ?

C x