Another help for those mortgages underwater.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by WTF

I did not stray....PJ strayed. He focused on SS. I had said that people pay regressive taxes. You notice PJ did not post all the fee's that states have that generate $$$. Those are regressive taxes. Unless you live in a cave.

Again my focus was only on FEDERAL taxes, since that is all that is relevant in Washington politics -- which is what we were discussing way back when.

My point was merely that SS is not a tax to low paid, it is a net benefit. TTH, ask yourself the logical question -- would there be a payroll tax if there was no SS? Of course not. Therefore you can't separate the benefit from the "contribution" in considering it -- and low paid folks have a negative contribution. WTF, I'm not criticizing that, just stating a fact.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that only one quintile has a positive cost -- i.e., therefor the damn thing has to be insolvent.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Kind of reminds me of the age old justification...But Mom, everybody was doing it! Didn't really work with my Mom. Didn't work with my kid's Mom. Doesn't work here.

Huh? What did I do?

[Rudyard K]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Huh? What did I do?

Wasn't your graph or quote Peej. Was CT's.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

BTW, has anyone else noticed that only one quintile has a positive cost -- i.e., therefor the damn thing has to be insolvent.

PJ....the thing was set up back in the thirties. I'm not sure what the life expediency was back then but it for sure is higher now. Maybe that is a indirect result of those benifits. Better care for the elderly..wala , they live longer and break the system. Taking care of old people is expensive.

But even with all that Reagan adjusted that tax/benifit and it has been in the black since day one.

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Again my focus was only on FEDERAL taxes, since that is all that is relevant in Washington politics -- which is what we were discussing way back when.

.

True enough...but I said that was a disingenuous discussion the way it was being portrayed. It was stated (AND LINKED) that 50% of taxpayers do not pay Federal Taxes. I pointed out that everyone is not as smart as you and may get confused and may think that these people do not pay any taxes. Then it jumped to SS. That seemed to again be diverting the discussion back to poor people not paying taxes. Which is fine by me. They are poor and don't make shit. I do not want their money. I do want them to quit having kids that continue the ignorance cycle. But that is another thread.

[Rudyard K]

Originally Posted by WTF

As they should.....they are poor as fuc. They are a step above sharecroppers if that. Good Lord what part about helping the least fortunate among us did you not understand?

Oh so noble.

It's interesting, a quick review online says that there are roughly 29,000,000 LE, firemen, active military and veterans in the US. I don't think any of them receive what they deserve for their service. And I would damn sure rather support higher pay and benefits for them than your "poor as fuc". But I don't see you posting ad nauseum for them. Instead, you rant and rave about military spending. But of course, we are using up all the resources for your poor depraved subjects and you want there to be more.

You want a tax increase for those guys and gals?...I'll pony up. And frankly, I think a lot of others would too. But even then, if we want too make a real difference...the middle class is still going to have to bear most of the burden...because that's where there is enough volume to make a difference. Your horse ain't near as high as you'd like it to be.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by WTF

I do want them to quit having kids that continue the ignorance cycle.

Okay John Bull. I'm trying to be a good boy and not comment on WTF and "ignorance cycle". But damn! When he hangs a curve over the plate like that, it is hard.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Okay John Bull. I'm trying to be a good boy and not comment on WTF and "ignorance cycle". But damn! When he hangs a curve over the plate like that, it is hard.

LOL....Knock it over the fence. I deserve it for that one!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Oh so noble.

It's interesting, a quick review online says that there are roughly 29,000,000 LE, firemen, active military and veterans in the US. I don't think any of them receive what they deserve for their service. And I would damn sure rather support higher pay and benefits for them than your "poor as fuc". But I don't see you posting ad nauseum for them. .

Don't forget teachers and garbage collectors!

You obviously did not hang around the HPF back in the day. I advocated our boys in the service pulling down the same salary we were paying private contractors working overseas. I advocated companies making a certain % of their business off government work CEO's to be paid like our generals. So what I was preaching about was for our inlisted men to make more money and benifits and the CEO's profiting off war to make less.

I still believe that...that does not change the fact that I think we are not doing the correct thing in trying to break the cycle of poverty. Poor people should not be having kids they are not capable of taking care of.

[Rudyard K]

Originally Posted by WTF

Don't forget teachers and garbage collectors!

You obviously did not hang around the HPF back in the day. I advocated our boys in the service pulling down the same salary we were paying private contractors working overseas. I advocated companies making a certain % of their business off government work CEO's to be paid like our generals. So what I was preaching about was for our inlisted men to make more money and benifits and the CEO's profiting off war to make less.

I still believe that...that does not change the fact that I think we are not doing the correct thing in trying to break the cycle of poverty. Poor people should not be having kids they are not capable of taking care of.

Yep, I'm sure if they would peruse your 888 posts here, they would see your heart pour out for them. I once said I felt sorry for a homeless guy and gave him $20. I feel better already just thinking about that.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Some teachers yes, garbage collectors? And BTW I have a son on his third tour to keep us safe. I will contribute to their success.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Yep, I'm sure if they would peruse your 888 posts here, they would see your heart pour out for them. I once said I felt sorry for a homeless guy and gave him $20. I feel better already just thinking about that.

thanks. that was the best bottle of bourbon I'd had in years

what's your address. I wanted to send a thank you. maybe I can visit. stay a few days.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

thanks. that was the best bottle of bourbon I'd had in years

what's your address. I wanted to send a thank you. maybe I can visit. stay a few days.

The stories I could tell you about panhandlers in this country that I've come across.

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by WTF

. Poor people should not be having kids they are not capable of taking care of.

Politically we are in the same ballpark. But I have to ask, how the heck are we going to prevent that? How are we suppose to prevent people from having kids?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

Politically we are in the same ballpark. But I have to ask, how the heck are we going to prevent that? How are we suppose to prevent people from having kids?

Quit giving them the incentive to have kids....make them pay the true expense. Why is a kid a deduction on our tax forms? I do not have any kids yet I pay out the ass in school taxes. Provide the poor with birth control options and education. THat is just a start.

[pjorourke]

... and loose shoes.