High end market

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'd take a sure thing bbj over a mystery any day

Lmfao! And there's nothing wrong with that love. Different strokes for different folks (no pun intended).

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

So I guess the appropriate response is for a gang of HDH fans to go over to that forum and incessantly post about how just being naked, hot and toned is not the be all and end all of escorting and how guys that only value that and bbbj's are stupid.

you can be sooooo mean!!!!!!!!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

@ Nina. Just for the record, my mythical comment was sarcasm.

ok......;-)

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Good questions, Brad. Let me throw in my two cents. In Dallas, the highest end providers used to be brought in by a lady named Sydney who used to work in the business. The charge was $600 an hour, and to be honest, they couldn't get much more desirable: Maxim models, Playmates, Penthouse Pets ETC. With the great recession, even Sydney stopped bringing in said women. In part, I think it was a lack of clients, but there may have been personal reasons as well. She still brings in ladies every three months or so though. If you want her email, PM me. This is pretty much IMO the best Dallas has to offer as far as escorts go, and you are getting much of the best the country/world has to offer without traveling.

As for the women she brought in, I almost always preferred the ones who were from out of the country. My favorites were from England, Canada, and New Zealand, but there was one from California that was top notch too. Also the more titles a woman typically had, the lamer she was in bed.

I used to think then that American women were pretty lame. Two of the best hobby experiences that I had were with Suzy Solaris of Tampa and Morgan Marie of Atlanta, so let's put them in the top ten of my escort list. Both cost about a $1000 for two hours, so the assumption is that given that they are in my top ten, they are worth the price. However, it really depends on you: what is your time worth, and how much hassle are you willing to go through for getting the best in the escort world because seven of my top ten were in South America.

Getting to South America is a hassle, and the best places i found to hobby (Brazil, Paraguay, and Bolivia) all require not only a passport but a visa, and there is a language barrier. If you are making two grand a day or more, it is probably not worth it for you to go. The going rate for TLN (todas la noche or all night) is $200 to $400, so $1000 would buy you a week with one of these chicas. About half of these women actually think the right way to wake a man is not with an alarm clock but with a BBBJ. Sorry Folger's, but IMO that is the best way to wake up.

In the past, I had been critical of American women thinking that they were overpaid and underworked for their BCD skills, but let's face it, the hottest American women don't have to be escorts to pay their bills. And then there are the legal issues and the stigma, which may be the worst in the Western world.

The other place that is off the hook is not the better known Amsterdam but the FKK clubs in Germany. I haven't been, but everyone who has been says you can get women who will blow your body and mind for reasonable rates. The guys who go also say the stigma that exists in Germany for both men and women is much less than it is here.

As for American women, I found that while few of the "best" were willing to be escorts, a much larger portion of women were willing to be sugar babies. The places where you find these women are on the website seekingarrangement.com (and others), strip clubs, and the Hooters type restaurants. Unlike escorts who advertise being exclusive, many of these women really are. On the websites, the arrangement is advertised such that women get a monthly allowance for theoretically unlimited sessions, but in reality, I have not found a woman unwilling to take a per session amount or accept an unlimited amount of sessions. I pay $400 for two hours (or more if we both have more time) and have bedded women that would make your jaw drop.

The issue with the sugar babies again though is time. You have to put time into meeting and in some cases wooing the sugar baby, and that means kissing a lot of frogs to meet your princess. Seeing an escort is much less of a hassle on the time front, and there are times your sugar baby may not be available. Again, the question of value then depends on how much your time is worth.

I agree with Nina that a lot of the HDH market is in fact for guys looking to go bare back FS, but it is one of the almost taboo subjects here. Because the sugar baby relationship is more intimate than one with an escort, the BBFS is going to be offered up more often and likely for a whole lot less if that is what you are into.

A lot of guys have different ideas about what makes a good session (exclusivity, looks, skills ETC). For me, it is passion. Does the woman want to get me off, or is she just in it for the money doing as little as possible to justify her fee? Is she passionate about giving me the best session ever?

Once I got to know Morgan and Suzie, I swear both would be willing to give me oral for the whole two hours session if I asked them to. They may not have had an oral fetish, but both acted like they did.

Suzy even told me that she saw a guy for whom two hours meant two whole hours of fucking. Most women didn't want to see him because he wore them out, but Suzie saw that as a challenge and went for it. That is just the kind of gal she is.

The other part with me is intimacy, and no matter how great Suzie and Morgan were, when the clock strikes, they are done. The running out of the room was a reminder the intimacy with them was a fantasy,and I know that they will be out the next day or so with another client. That come down from seeing a great escort is quite the letdown, and so far, I have not felt that or at least not felt it as often or deeply with many of my sugar babies.

After having been with my SBs, my faith in American woman has been restored. As of now, my top five best of all time are my past and present American SBs.

As to Sydney: to you happen to know a german called "Candy girl" (Julie?). Blonde bombshell?


Thanks for that post. :-) loved to read it. As to bareback: i see it problematic for two reasons: most clients are married (or have GFs that are not aware they are doing it) and because sexwork is not like in europe "institutionalized" which means that you are required to make STD tests regularly.

ps: as to south american countries requiring Visa: THat is specifically for americans only as a reaction to the fingerprint and visa stuff everyone (also south americans) have to go thru when entering the USA. I don`t need a visum for Brazil :-))))) (lol)

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

you can be sooooo mean!!!!!!!!

Is turnabout not fair play?

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Is turnabout not fair play?

It is!! I appreciate highly

[1Jannessa]

This topic is certainly intriguing to me because I would love to know makes an "expensive" provider a "better" than an "ordinary" like perhaps, myself.

[Guest061612-1]

If you really want to spend more...here you go. I would be very happy to just live
in the Dallas area. Belive me there are a lot more there and really provocative, erotic
providers than almost any other area.


http://bodymiracle.com/default5.html

[WTF]

Folks, a so called HDH is really just someone that you are compatible with. Not rocket science here. If you like to sit around an brag about where you have eaten in the world then I am sure you can find some chick that likes to brag about where she has eaten. She is a HDH to you.

I forget the old aspd moderator, Anna Marie, she was compatible with geeks from the silicon valley. That was her market niche. It just so happened at the time that those fuckers were the one's making money hand over foot. That in turn was what drove the definition of a HDH at the time.
When in reality if manure farmers become the next hot ticket money makers then you will see a whole different lot of HDH ! They will then be versed about the perfect ammonia content of caca.

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Alot of the HDH market is in fact for guys looking to go bare back FS

Bullshit.

If a woman finds herself offering that to maintain HDH status it's because she doesn't have what it takes to be there in the first place. There's plenty who wouldn't dare, successful men are guarded about their lives. They have families - sometimes with reputations that go back generations, careers that they had to fight hard to reach and maintain and reputations to protect. Most have an IQ, it's how they got there, and they aren't going to take stupid mistakes that could make all their hard work climbing to the top null and void. The women that belong at higher levels of companionship never have to make such an offer, because their men will walk away satisfied without taking stupid risks and the men will have enough respect for her not to ask.

There are women at every level that are stupid enough to offer BBFS, it's petty and spiteful to assume that women cannot be successful without it. A typical case of: I can't reach those grapes, so they must sour.

[Guest042611]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

And i am talking about someone in OUR league that brags about how smart she is. Smarter than others. And you seemed to underline that facts, although i don`t see you as someone being so braggadacious. But this distinction as if something else than the rate actually was different i regard as wrong.

Other than that i agree with what you said here. I know plenty of men that would not even bother buying an escort no matter what rate she charges because they find the whole escort scene stupid. Some pay 10 000 for some VS models . Some pay 600 an hour for some bareback wanna be HDH. what ever.

The point is not what the client wants. the point is the perception of the women about themselves. clients are easy to satisfy ;-)). we all know that And i am also charging 500 an hour, but i don`t htink anything about me is different to someone that charges less.

Unless you know this lady personally, how do you know how she perceives herself? It's just advertising. Maybe that advertising has been advantageous to her in drawing clients for some reason. It doesn't reveal what she thinks about herself. I don't think anyone would say, "I'm of average intelligence, slightly overweight and have to wear a lot of makeup in order to look pretty," even if that's how they sincerely felt, when the whole point is to attract clients.

Most people who aren't in the biz assume all escorts have ego issues (among many others!), so I guess I'm a little hesitant to make assumptions just based on a woman's web text.

I also used to charge $500 an hour, and there was something different about me than ladies who charged less: I am exceptionally lazy and don't want to see a lot of clients to make ends meet. If I'm working too often, I'm less cheerful. I think volume is the only thing that's predictable (and it's not even extremely predictable) when looking at price. If your minimum is $2500, there are simply fewer people who can/will pay that compared to the perhaps equally stunning/educated/refined/worldly woman who charges $200 an hour.

[Guest042611]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

a lot of the HDH market is in fact for guys looking to go bare back FS

This is something I would probably say too, if I was a man who wished it were true. Maybe if you post things like this all the time, escorts will believe you and think they have to do it with you in order to keep up with the competition. Good luck!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by 1Jannessa

This topic is certainly intriguing to me because I would love to know makes an "expensive" provider a "better" than an "ordinary" like perhaps, myself.

Nothing makes an expensive provider better than you

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Natalie

Unless you know this lady personally, how do you know how she perceives herself?

That is my point! I used to know "her" personally, or how would you think i get such an information? Especially about barebacking clients? Whenever she entered some arrangement with some client (whether it was fucking for a job or some other arrangement that she thought was beneficial for her career, or when the client in question was some fancy high roler) barebacking was inclusive. And i know what she thinks of herself, otherwise i would not have posted this? Do you really think i judge people by what they write on their homepage? If i did that, i would have had a way better opinion about the ladies in question.

[Guest042611]

Got it, my apologies! I thought it was an internet friend for some reason. I "know" plenty of escorts whom I've never met in person, so I misunderstood you.

Unfortunately, the stereotypes society has about us does cause insecurity and consequential elitism among providers—escorts who believe they're somehow superior do so (I believe) because of an ingrained judgement against the entire industry that can be very hard to overcome, even when you've been in it for a while. The same way a lot of women can be misogynist or gay people can be homophobic. They're afraid/disgusted/disappointed by who they really are.