Why Hillary will obliterate Drumpf.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The rules and regulations are quite clear, flighty. Anyone receiving or handling classified information is ultimately responsible for securing that classified information no matter how it came into their care, flighty. Allowing it to be stored on an unsecured server in someone's bathroom closet is gross negligence, flighty.

IBH, you have a big problem with your post. The emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED. The emails that were deemed sensitive were changed to CLASSIFIED retroactively. Your post simply does not apply. Here are the USC rules taken from the "Dead Candidate Walking" thread. It has not been proven that Hillary broke any of these rules. THE BURDEN IS ON THE SENDER NOT THE RECEIPENT to use the correct security classification. This was already stated in the Washington Post. You have NOTHING and at this point in time, the FBI doesn't have anything either.

18 USC 1924
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
18 USC 793
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense (like classified satellite photographs) which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, (like her lawyer David Kendall) or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
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[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

That's an utter lie.

No. It's not. If you think I'm lying, prove it. But you can't, because you are unable to think. Besides, if it was a lie, you'd support it, because you support liars, like Hillary. To you, lying is a good thing. And you're a good liar, because you once said lying is wrong. That was one of your better lies. AssupLiar, you're a liar.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

IBH, you have a big problem with your post. The emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED.

You have a big problem with your post. That statement is not true.

Information has already been released confirming there were CLASSIFIED (even so highly classified they could not be "identified" or "released" to the public) emails on her PRIVATE SERVER. Possession is all the government has to prove, and the mere FACT that the GOVERNMENT "harvested" them from her computer system is sufficient proof of possession.

[CuteOldGuy]

What about all the emails she erased after they were subpoenaed? That's the act of a guilty person. It is also destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice. Hillary should already be in jail.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

What about all the emails she erased after they were subpoenaed?

What is actually amazing about the Hillarious-No-More "Loyalists" ... is they would actually want someone as President who believes that SHE can "erase" emails so as to "hide them" from the very GOVERNMENT SHE desires to "lead" while at the same time "believing" that one can only have one email account on A PHONE!

They can pick:
1. The dumbest, brain dead old hag on the block, or
2. The WORST LIAR IN HISTORY.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

IBH, you have a big problem with your post. The emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED. The emails that were deemed sensitive were changed to CLASSIFIED retroactively. Your post simply does not apply. Here are the USC rules taken from the "Dead Candidate Walking" thread. It has not been proven that Hillary broke any of these rules. THE BURDEN IS ON THE SENDER NOT THE RECEIPENT to use the correct security classification. This was already stated in the Washington Post. You have NOTHING and at this point in time, the FBI doesn't have anything either.

18 USC 1924
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
18 USC 793
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense (like classified satellite photographs) which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, (like her lawyer David Kendall) or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
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You have a serious problem with understanding that Hildebeest's intent is clear, flighty. Hildebeest willfully intended to conduct the business of Secretary of State over an unsecured server, flighty. The U.S. Secretary of State cannot functionally do his/her job without dealing with classified material, flighty. To suggest otherwise is for you to admit Hildebeest is an incompetent buffoon, flighty. Hence, Secretary of State Hildebeest both sent and received classified material through her unsecured server, flighty, because that's the nature of the job.

Sensitive compartmented information (SCI) -- top secret national security information derived from sensitive intelligence sources -- was found on Hildebeest's server, flighty. An even more restricted subcategory of SCI called “special access programs" (SAP) -- stripped of its classification markers -- was found on Hildebeest's server, flighty. Someone with willful intent sent, received and stored that information on an unsecured, flighty. We've already established what Hildebeest's intent was, flighty. But per regulations, flighty, as the head of the Department of State, it was Hildebeest's assigned responsibility to insure that all security protocols were being followed to prevent "spillage", and she knew her own server violated those protocols, flighty.

And don't forget, flighty, Hildebeest willfully contravened the requirements of the FOIA. That's a violation of law, flighty, and that's why the judge is backing the inquisition of Hildebeest and her minions. Hildebeest directed and oversaw the deletion of public records in violation of that law, flighty. As evidence to that fact, the Department of State has produced copies of emails written by Hildebeest that were not among the undeleted documents from Hildebeest's server that she delivered to the State Department, flighty.

It's a crime to willfully violate the tenets of the FOIA, flighty. It's a crime to willfully violate security protocols, flighty. It's a crime to mishandle classified material -- even unwittingly -- flighty.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

IBH, you have a big problem with your post. The emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED. The emails that were deemed sensitive were changed to CLASSIFIED retroactively. Your post simply does not apply. Here are the USC rules taken from the "Dead Candidate Walking" thread. It has not been proven that Hillary broke any of these rules. THE BURDEN IS ON THE SENDER NOT THE RECEIPENT to use the correct security classification. This was already stated in the Washington Post. You have NOTHING and at this point in time, the FBI doesn't have anything either.

18 USC 1924
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
18 USC 793
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense (like classified satellite photographs) which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, (like her lawyer David Kendall) or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
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Can I start calling you Leo? Fooiefighter is so long but the idea of you splashing around in the cold Northern Atlantic looking for something to cling to....

As someone recently said, "classified is classified" whether it's marked or not. I do have to ask, do you really believe that with all the legalistic gymnastics coming out the Hillary/State Department camps that NOTHING is going on?

[lustylad]

Two things leap out at me after reading flighty's latest desperate attempt to pedal cover-up lies for the Hildebeest:

1. The familiar Hillary-defending talking point is that "none of the emails were marked classified at the time they were sent to her". Notice how flighty now takes it a step further and claims "the emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED". I'm calling bullshit. Got a link for that, flighty? Prove to us that every email found on Hillary's private server carried a big unmistakable label screaming UNCLASSIFIED, flighty. Or admit you made it up!

2. Notice how flighty assures everyone that "at this point in time" the FBI has nothing. Really? And you know that how, flighty? Are you the friend of a friend of a retired FBI agent who is in regular contact with James Comey? Unless you are privy to some special insider info, you assertion is baseless and you have no authority or credibility to make such a silly blanket statement. Any prudent and objective observer would assume there is more substance to the investigation than what is known by the public at this point.

[Yssup Rider]

So where's the indictment?

Where's the conviction?

Where's fucking Waldo?

Shirley you fellas have that figured out by now.

LMAO!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Two things leap out at me after reading flighty's latest desperate attempt to pedal cover-up lies for the Hildebeest:

1. .....takes it a step further and claims "the emails that were sent to Hillary were labeled UNCLASSIFIED". I

That must be why he stays off BP .... can't read those "CLASSIFIEDS"!

2. Notice how flighty assures everyone that "at this point in time" the FBI has nothing. Really?

Some "special reporters" are "in the know" regarding what FBI has in the way of evidence, because it is marked .... "UNCLASSIFIED" ..... "NONCONFIDENTIAL"!!

[DSK]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You have a big problem with your post. That statement is not true.

Information has already been released confirming there were CLASSIFIED (even so highly classified they could not be "identified" or "released" to the public) emails on her PRIVATE SERVER. Possession is all the government has to prove, and the mere FACT that the GOVERNMENT "harvested" them from her computer system is sufficient proof of possession.

Did the actor, in this case Mrs. Clinton, know she actually had possession?

Obviously, we the public are entitled to incredible security of the secrets of the government when handled by someone so high up.

But can't she legitimately claim she was too ignorant to understand how she had breached her obligations? I think she can make a defense of diminished capacity, which frees her from criminal culpability while proving her incompetency for the Presidency.

I'm willing to trade her going to prison for her admission she is an ignorant person unable to handle the Presidency.

As the late asshole Ted Kennedy might have asked, "Is she stupid, or is she lying?"

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by DSK

Did the actor, in this case Mrs. Clinton, know she actually had possession?

Obviously, we the public are entitled to incredible security of the secrets of the government when handled by someone so high up.

But can't she legitimately claim she was too ignorant to understand how she had breached her obligations? I think she can make a defense of diminished capacity, which frees her from criminal culpability while proving her incompetency for the Presidency.

I'm willing to trade her going to prison for her admission she is an ignorant person unable to handle the Presidency.

As the late asshole Ted Kennedy might have asked, "Is she stupid, or is she lying?"

A "problem" she has when attempting to avoid the "mental" element of the offense is "circumstantial" evidence, which the Government is allowed to prove to satisfy the culpability requirements .. There are already emails of hers released in which she is suggesting to an aid to eliminate the "classification" on the communication so it will download to her computer ... which is sufficient to show the mental elements of the offense ....

... the second piece of data will be the confirmation within the email file that it was opened at least once after it arrived in her server. Her mouth (and stupidity) pretty much sealed the deal on she being the ONLY OPERATOR of the system, so having sold that to the public when she tries to walk that back and "imply" others had access to the "private server" on which she was keeping "sensitive" and "classified" documents .... she's toast..... she will have to name who they are, their purpose for being on the system, and when they were there "on the system" ...

... to further complicate her lie .... she will have to explain why she gave her password to enter the system and allowed someone to "log on" without her presence.

The above is what she's been doing for almost a year ... covering one lie with another and then back-peddling to excuse newly disclosed bad behavior.

She's not as smart as she's led others to believe she is. Bill knows that also.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

A "problem" she has when attempting to avoid the "mental" element of the offense is "circumstantial" evidence, which the Government is allowed to prove to satisfy the culpability requirements .. There are already emails of hers released in which she is suggesting to an aid to eliminate the "classification" on the communication so it will download to her computer ... which is sufficient to show the mental elements of the offense ....

... the second piece of data will be the confirmation within the email file that it was opened at least once after it arrived in her server. Her mouth (and stupidity) pretty much sealed the deal on she being the ONLY OPERATOR of the system, so having sold that to the public when she tries to walk that back and "imply" others had access to the "private server" on which she was keeping "sensitive" and "classified" documents .... she's toast..... she will have to name who they are, their purpose for being on the system, and when they were there "on the system" ...

... to further complicate her lie .... she will have to explain why she gave her password to enter the system and allowed someone to "log on" without her presence.

The above is what she's been doing for almost a year ... covering one lie with another and then back-peddling to excuse newly disclosed bad behavior.

She's not as smart as she's led others to believe she is. Bill knows that also.

Well, you have proven the elements of the offense sufficiently for a conviction, let alone an indictment. Thanks for that excellent reply.

They are going to have to go with the power play to quash it. Lots of goodies they can offer, as well as threats....

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

So where's the indictment?

Where's the conviction?

Where's fucking Waldo?

Shirley you fellas have that figured out by now.

LMAO!

There will be no indictment. Hillary is guilty as hell, but this is not about the law. Obama needs a Democrat to succeed him to cement his "legacy". His Justice Department will not indict the most dishonest and corrupt SOS in history. And just for insurance, remember, Hillary knows enough about Obama to destroy him.


In the current atmosphere, lack of indictment does not equal lack of guilt. You like liars, AssupLiar, no wonder you're happy!

[JD Barleycorn]

When I worked on nuclear submarines the dive station was supposed to be covered and it was most of the time. Some times though, it was not and we could see how fast and how deep our subs could go. At no time did I or anyone else think that because it was uncovered that it was also unclassified.