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WyldemanATX · 08-09-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by F-Sharp

I am glad we finally agree on something. The ONLY spending besides the $800 billion in stimulus money under Obama that's taken place since Clinton, is money spent under Bush in the form of tax cuts, two wars, plus interest on that money borrowed. These facts are indisputable. I suppose you think the Healthcare bill is free!!!!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/gover...pending-2011-7

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-budget-deficit-2011-7

Says who? It is common fucking sense. This statement is nothing but conjecture on your part and I challenge you to show one shred of proof to back it. I do not need any it is called logic! There's absolutely no correlation I can find that raising taxes a few percentage points has any detrimental effects on small businesses or inflation whatsoever. If anything, our economic history in the last fify years tells quite a different story. Under Clinton the marginal tax rate was 4 points higher and we experienced record growth. Since the Bush tax cuts have been in place, we've experienced record losses. This is in fact true for every tax reduction we've experienced in the last 50 years. Each and every time taxes have been lowered, the result was a recession due to loss of revenue. This has been the case ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the time. Also, notice in the chart here, that even changes of 40 points have made little difference in GDP. The only real thing lowering taxes does is produces deficit while putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy. Again, this is indisputable.

The Bush tax cuts have nothing to do with this sucking economy.... Government Regulation and government spending is what is fucking things up. Have you even owned a business???? IF so was it successful.... I have run my own business and it was a success....

http://www.slate.com/id/2245781/

Our average tax bills are at the lowest they've been since the 1950s. The truth is that low tax bills only truly benefit the rich who can afford to be without essential programs that are usually first to be on the chopping block when revenues due to those low tax rates decline. Canada's tax rates are lower than ours. What makes you think if we get them high enough business will not just jump ship????

"Federal, state and local income taxes consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, the lowest rate since 1950, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports. That rate is far below the historic average of 12% for the last half-century. The overall tax burden hit bottom in December at 8.8.% of income before rising slightly in the first three months of 2010."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...10-taxes_N.htm

Let me know if there's anything else I can clear up for you Wyldeman. I have nothing better to do than waste my time debunking your completely unfounded opinions.

You obviously have no clue about real world economics do you. You have not debunked anything. It is not an opinion it is logic.....Quit wasting my time with your tax the rich and redistribution of wealth ideology. I do not need sources for logic and common fucking sense. Who is to say this shit is true and factual you found it on the internets....Could you just give all of us a rest and stop wasting your time no one likes you anyway. haha......

Do you even like women or are you a fag???

F-Sharp · 08-09-2011, 07:04 PM

You sure talk a lot of shit for someone that has no real reason to believe the things you do.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I suppose you think the Healthcare bill is free!!!!!

It's sole purpose is as a deficit reduction bill. I ask you again, as I've asked many times before, how much have we spent on this bill so far?

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

It is common fucking sense.

Really? That's all you got? It may be "common sense" in the strange fucked up world you live in, but the facts show otherwise. Instead of just saying something and making up shit as you go along, you should try actually looking at some information to form an opinion around. Now either challenge the facts and show something that disproves what I've already said or shut the fuck up about it. These comments only make you look worse.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I do not need any it is called logic!

Exactly. Please refer to my comments above above about living in your own fucked up world. You "don't need any" because you're so completely blinded by your own unfounded opinions and prejudices that there's no room in that tiny little mind of yours to accept anything different, no matter how many facts your nose is rubbed in.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

The Bush tax cuts have nothing to do with this sucking economy.... Government Regulation and government spending is what is fucking things up.

Really? If you're going to deny what the rest of the world accepts as fact, you better be prepared to precisely explain what regulation and spending is responsible. I've shown you charts based on source data and link after link to support my statements. You ever heard the term, "Show me, don't tell me."? Your silly and completely unfounded opinions don't mean shit to anyone but yourself unless you can prove them to be truth. So far you've given zero, nada, nothing but some lame-ass statements that add up to less than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Canada's tax rates are lower than ours. What makes you think if we get them high enough business will not just jump ship????

Wrong again Dickhead. What you completely fail to understand is that U.S. tax rates do not represent the real value of taxes actually paid. Ever hear of write-offs, deductions, and subsidies? The reality is that most Americans pay between 4 and 20% of their income in taxes and anyone who's ever filed a tax form or filed out a Schedule A form knows this to be true. Most countries have nowhere near the deductions and write-offs we allow. Do you even work? Have you ever filed a tax form? As for getting them high enough, look up something called a Laffer Curve.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Who is to say this shit is true and factual you found it on the internets

That's right Wyldeman; Slate, USA Today, Business Insider, New York Times, CSM, and the many, many possible hundreds of other sources I've utilized in my replies are all nothing more than a conspiracy against you and your unfounded opinions.

Don't you think it's time you finally pull your head out of your ass and joined the real world with the rest of us?

I think I've more than made my case at this point, and considering I am on the verge of blocking your dumb ass permanently, I'll just let this thread stand as-is as a tribute to your lack of intelligence and ability to utilize simple reason.

Thanks for playing though, it's been a real hoot.

WyldemanATX · 08-09-2011, 07:17 PM

Well you have dodged the most important question! Have you ever owned your own business??? If you have not then that explains your lack of logic......

Let me help you though.....

You can try and convince me all your facts and links are correct all day still will not change actual logic....

I am a conservative....I believe in smaller Government like it was intended to be...Not this monster that is now fucking shit up left and right pun intended. I am not happy with the GOP or the DEMS...I think you must either be a government worker or a union man. I enjoy fucking with you since it just gets under your skin....If it did not get to you then you would not have so many key strokes and visual errors posted....Taxes do not create jobs and spending tax dollars does not fix the economy....

Thudog · 08-09-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I got an accomplishment for ya! He is the first President in History to lose our triple A credit rating! Way to go Obama! OneBigAssMistakeAmerica!

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give me a fucking break

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

there is no doubt who is to blame for getting here...

and at the end of the day, Obama put medicare and social security on the table for a "grand deal", Boehner walked over a few hundred million in tax increases, and focused on a short deal to buy more time....we got downgraded over not doing enough. Boehner, Cantor, and the Tea Bags own this. But they are the Party Before Country party - so they dont care.

Thudog · 08-09-2011, 10:19 PM

GOVERNMENT REGULATION CAUSED THE RECESSION???????????

WTF????????????

LACK of regulation caused all of this.

two major banking crisis under the last two Republican presidents - and we still should just trust banks to do the right thing and not regulate them?

WyldemanATX · 08-09-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thudog

give me a fucking break

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

there is no doubt who is to blame for getting here... Yes Obama he is the leader the buck stops with his ass....

You can't blame the republicans when you are in charge and when you are not in charge. Obama needs to get a nutsack and own up to his failure to lead.

WyldemanATX · 08-09-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thudog

GOVERNMENT REGULATION CAUSED THE RECESSION??????????? Nope

WTF????????????WTF is right the Democrats blame everyone else when they are in charge and when they are not in charge.....

LACK of regulation caused all of this. Government regulation has a stranglehold on progress in the free market... Fannie and Freddy where incouraged to do subprime lending by the Government (Barney Franks) and not regulated properly by the Government is a true statement. The government needs to get out of the housing business and let private enterprise do it. Bad ones fail good ones succeed.

two major banking crisis under the last two Republican presidents - and we still should just trust banks to do the right thing and not regulate them?

Banks should have never gotten this big....Do you remember when a local bank only had two location and they knew there customers by name. I do. Government needs to not aid or help private business and let the free market do its thing. Good business will succeed and Bad ones will go bye bye....

Obama asked for the responsibility when he ran for the Presidency...

tttalinky · 08-09-2011, 11:31 PM

Pros = Was in office when OBL was killed
.......= can't think of anything else

Cons = Worst President America has ever had!

Thudog · 08-09-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

You can't blame the republicans when you are in charge and when you are not in charge. Obama needs to get a nutsack and own up to his failure to lead.

the point is who ran up the debt? there seems to be this fantasy that we were debt free 3 years ago.

you tend to run deficits when every bank is failing and no one is working...the reality is this was equal to the worst financial crisis the country has faced. recovery isnt going to be easy and wasnt going to happen in 3 years.

Recap:
(1) Republicans refused to acknowledge a problem at all, then passed a $150 billion package they thought would fix all of this
(2) Wanted to let all the banks fail and the entire auto industry fail all at the same time (unemployment would have reached 20-30%, and the country would be history instead of the slow death spiral it IS on)
(3) the credit rating loss is all on them

reality is they should all be shot. I am not even pro Obama - he caves on EVERYTHING. I am all for compromise (Republicans may get routed in the next election for acting like 6 year olds), but you have to take a stand on SOMETHING. Obama may not get re-elected, but that is far from certain with the current candidate pool.

And no matter what happens, GW will go down as the worst ever. Single-handedly destroyed the country in 8 years. And will never be able to wash the blood off his hands from picking the absolute most incompetent Defense Secretary in history.

by the way, this idea of removing the mortgage interest deduction - HORRIBLE. fact is the recovery will suck until housing recovers (we dont have manufacturing in the US now, so construction is all we have) so how taking away the biggest incentive is a good idea is beyond me - just reform it (no deduction on second homes, etc)

KosherCowboy · 08-10-2011, 07:28 AM

As expected it would turn in to a Bush thread. Anything wrong with the economy now is the fault of Bush, anything good is the result of Obama, and failures that occur post Bush is the Tea Party's fault.

One faction of one party pretty much in the House for the most part has rendered the President of the United States impotent and useless? He is a real weak piece of shit ( we already knew that) if he is less powerful than the Tea Party.

I'll bet you anything if Perry runs the Lying Libs will claim ' Bush II', ' ' Another TX Gov about to deepen crisis in DC, ' The Second Coming of Bush' and so on..they won't focus on any good he has done. The TX economy isn't all that bad, four of the best housing markets of the top 25 are in TX, none of this will come out. Just side by side photos of Bush, just like this thread..

If Bush failed so bad that he fumbled the football on his own one yard line than how the hell did Obama pick the ball up and end up back in his own end zone 99 yards the other way..

Never mind, he is a Bears fan....To be expected..

WyldemanATX · 08-10-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Thudog

the point is who ran up the debt? Obama has added more than all past Presidents combined....

you tend to run deficits when every bank is failing and no one is working...the reality is this was equal to the worst financial crisis the country has faced. recovery isnt going to be easy and wasnt going to happen in 3 years. With the way he was making promises you would think we could have had some progress by now....

Recap:
(1) Republicans refused to acknowledge a problem at all, then passed a $150 billion package they thought would fix all of this. The Dems had two years of complete control to pass a budget and did not do anything. Republicans have only had control of the House for 7 months.
(2) Wanted to let all the banks fail and the entire auto industry fail all at the same time (unemployment would have reached 20-30%, and the country would be history instead of the slow death spiral it IS on)When companies have bad business practices the government should not bail them out.
(3) the credit rating loss is all on them. First President in History to have this happen on his watch. He could have encouraged the cut cap and balance and that would have been sufficient to keep us from losing the credit rating.

reality is they should all be shot. I am not even pro Obama - he caves on EVERYTHING. I am all for compromise (Republicans may get routed in the next election for acting like 6 year olds), but you have to take a stand on SOMETHING. Obama may not get re-elected, but that is far from certain with the current candidate pool.

And no matter what happens, GW will go down as the worst ever. I think Obama will take that title next to Carter. Single-handedly destroyed the country in 8 years. He got it started and Obama has put us in overdrive. And will never be able to wash the blood off his hands from picking the absolute most incompetent Defense Secretary in history.

by the way, this idea of removing the mortgage interest deduction - HORRIBLE. fact is the recovery will suck until housing recovers (we dont have manufacturing in the US now, so construction is all we have) so how taking away the biggest incentive is a good idea is beyond me - just reform it (no deduction on second homes, etc)

Housing market will not recover until there is a environment for job creation.

This is for F Shard. Obama did propose a budget and not one single Democrat voted for it...

F-Sharp · 08-10-2011, 08:24 AM

Wrong again Dickhead.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Obama has added more than all past Presidents combined....

Yeah, whatever you say Sarah.....

Total debt: $14.3 Trillion
Total debt created under Republican Presidents: $9.8 Trillion
Total debt created under Democratic Presidents: $3.5 Trillion
Total debt attributed to Obama: $2.4 Trillion

Obama's debt: Extension of Bush tax cuts, continuation of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $800 billion in stimulus. All three can be attributed to George W. Fucking Bush. (Ahem, you're welcome Kosher!)

Should Obama have pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan the minute he took office, and let the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010? Ab-so-fucking-lutely. But you idiots will disagree with that statement and still bitch about "Obama's debt". You make me laugh and want to vomit at the same time. Your douchebag hypocrisy has no limits.

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

This is for F Shard. Obama did propose a budget and not one single Democrat voted for it...

"The House version of the budget, which passed by a margin of 233-196, also passed in a virtual party-line vote. All but 20 House Democrats supported it; no House Republican voted in favor."

"The package was approved on a 55-43 vote. GOP Sens. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine -- who voted in favor of the president's stimulus bill last month -- voted against what is essentially the blueprint of Obama's economic policies going forward."

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-03/politics/us.house.senate.budget.passes_ 1_trillion-budget-budget-votes-single-gop-vote?_s=PM:POLITICS

WyldemanATX · 08-10-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Wrong again Dickhead. Name calling. That is so un elitists of you....

You make me laugh and want to vomit at the same time. Maybe it is your own brain rejecting your negative brainwashed thinking. Your douchebag hypocrisy has no limits. You know what they say takes one to Know one.

"The House version of the budget, which passed by a margin of 233-196, also passed in a virtual party-line vote. All but 20 House Democrats supported it; no House Republican voted in favor."

"The package was approved on a 55-43 vote. GOP Sens. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine -- who voted in favor of the president's stimulus bill last month -- voted against what is essentially the blueprint of Obama's economic policies going forward."

Then why have we not had a budget for 3years. His original budget got little to no support, and it increased spending.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-03/politics/us.house.senate.budget.passes_ 1_trillion-budget-budget-votes-single-gop-vote?_s=PM:POLITICS

Just keep your blinders on and stick to your man no matter what eh...

I will agree that Bush had a spending problem and Democrats went right along with passing it....You are definitely blinded with love for Obama if you can not admit to his out of control spending....Use your head it is that lump 3 feet above your ass....

F-Sharp · 08-10-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Then why have we not had a budget for 3years. His original budget got little to no support, and it increased spending.

Wrong again Dickhead. The more you type, the more you prove that EVERYTHING you think you know is wrong.

Budgets were passed for fiscal 2009 and 2011. Maybe you should ask your Congressman about 2010, or perhaps make an effort on your own to gain a better understanding of the appopriations process. Obama submitted budget requests to Congress each year since he was elected.

Maybe these will help you understand this process a little better:

"The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year’s resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect."

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=155

http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/IntrotoF...0-%20FINAL.pdf

WyldemanATX · 08-10-2011, 12:27 PM

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Wrong again Dickhead. The more you type, the more you prove that EVERYTHING you think you know is wrong.

Resorting to name calling the liberal way these days.

Budgets were passed for fiscal 2009 and 2011. Maybe you should ask your Congressman about 2010, or perhaps make an effort on your own to gain a better understanding of the appopriations process. Obama submitted budget requests to Congress each year since he was elected.

The only thing we have done is pass to raise the debt ceiling....

Maybe these will help you understand this process a little better:

"The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year’s resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect."

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=155

http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/IntrotoF...0-%20FINAL.pdf

This is public knowledge dude. By the way the GOP and The Dems are in on all of it together.