How many of the average Americans here have used a gun for protection?

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

Well, either it doesn't actually help.. or the NYC cops aren't trained very well, or perhaps the NYC cops don't know how to train properly?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1830007.html

9 bystanders shot.. 16 shots fired.. perp killed. Seems like the TYPE of training has a big impact on success in a shoot/don't shoot scenario.

Hell in KC several years ago cops fired 15 rounds at a car, the only thing they hit was a woman in the leg who was running out to pick up a kid playing in the front yard.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

Well, either it doesn't actually help.. or the NYC cops aren't trained very well, or perhaps the NYC cops don't know how to train properly?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1830007.html

9 bystanders shot.. 16 shots fired.. perp killed. Seems like the TYPE of training has a big impact on success in a shoot/don't shoot scenario.

States vary in their "continuing education requirements" to maintain peace officer certification. Some training is mandatory on a regular basis, other is simply electives. Most agencies push off the training costs to the individual officers, and complain when having to "cover" shifts while officers go to lengthy training sessions (paying overtime for the officer covering).

Of the training available firearm training, and training involving use of firearms, is the most expensive, because of the "supplies" costs AND having to have a location available to create the "street environment" to properly train. Agencies just don't want to expend the money from their budget. Without going into details agencies face insurance, time off, and workmen's compensation issues when they "require" training involving physical activities, and those agencies in which they must deal with unions have further issues sometimes. It's not making excuses.

My guess is more dollars are spent by agencies for "cultural sensitivity" training than firearms training....by far! And firearm requalification is all that is required.

Years ago a motorist was stopped on a traffic stop on the freeway in Southwest Houston with several patrol units arriving on the scene and in the investigation something like 45 to 50 shell casings were recovered at the scene and remarkably only the motorist, who brandished a can opener (the kind that can open beer I think), was hit and died. Houston P.D. At that same time HPD was expending moneyh, time, and effort tracking with paper work minority contacts by patrol officers....with training on how to complete the forms.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

States vary in their "continuing education requirements" to maintain peace officer certification. Some training is mandatory on a regular basis, other is simply electives. Most agencies push off the training costs to the individual officers, and complain when having to "cover" shifts while officers go to lengthy training sessions (paying overtime for the officer covering).

Of the training available firearm training, and training involving use of firearms, is the most expensive, because of the "supplies" costs AND having to have a location available to create the "street environment" to properly train. Agencies just don't want to expend the money from their budget. Without going into details agencies face insurance, time off, and workmen's compensation issues when they "require" training involving physical activities, and those agencies in which they must deal with unions have further issues sometimes. It's not making excuses.

My guess is more dollars are spent by agencies for "cultural sensitivity" training than firearms training....by far! And firearm requalification is all that is required.

Years ago a motorist was stopped on a traffic stop on the freeway in Southwest Houston with several patrol units arriving on the scene and in the investigation something like 45 to 50 shell casings were recovered at the scene and remarkably only the motorist, who brandished a can opener (the kind that can open beer I think), was hit and died. Houston P.D. At that same time HPD was expending moneyh, time, and effort tracking with paper work minority contacts by patrol officers....with training on how to complete the forms.

Your guess and a $1 still won't get me jack shit. So instead of being culturally aware, you'd rather them be better shots? Maybe if they were more culturally aware, they wouldn't NEED to shoot. Ever thought of that? Or was the shooting of the brown man just always going to happen in your little scenario?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

... a $1 still won't get me jack shit.

You're not worth a $1.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Maybe if they were more culturally aware, they wouldn't NEED to shoot. Ever thought of that?

Yes, I have on numerous occasions.

That is why I have always complied with the requests of a police officer, whether in this country or another one. I thought to myself .... would it be better just stand here still and answer the questions, as well as produce "my documents," and comply with the requests,

OR

assert my "rights," get my ass kicked here and then again "downtown," or get holes in me right here and rolled into the ditch.

It's too bad you don't spend your spare time "preaching" to the "bad boys" on how to avoid getting shot down by the cops ... rather than whining on here about how cops murder innocent little boys .. and crippled old men.

But you'd rather fuck their sisters, wives, gfs, mothers, and daughters and feel like you are absorbing their culture and learning all about them.....and then come on here and whine about the cops. Does the FACT that you're a white guy help you get in their pants? Or is it the pillow talk about what no good pieces of shit the cops are? Do you ever admit how you really feel about them? Or do you hide that like Obaminable hides the fact that he's not a Christian?

[ArisRose]

Got to stay strapped especially in the home. I had a distant cousin die during a home invasion.............by union soldiers.

[Yssup Rider]

Jesus, LLIdiot, you have gone completely round the bend.

Raving.

And as an aside, it's pretty hard not to comply with a "peace officer's" request when you've shat your drawers! You say you have many times? I have no doubt.

Yow!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by ArisRose

Got to stay strapped especially in the home. I had a distant cousin die during a home invasion.............by union soldiers.

I bet that would scare them off ...

...... well ... not .... UC aka WombRaider.

Now he's gonna go off on a tangent about strapons.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Jesus, LLIdiot, you have gone completely round the bend.

Raving.

And as an aside, it's pretty hard not to comply with a "peace officer's" request when you've shat your drawers! You say you have many times? I have no doubt.

Yow!

I said "numerous" times. Not "many" times.

Do you start changing what everyone says to make your point?

Like when someone asks you for a one scoop ice cream cone down at Nau's do you always say ... "that was a double scoop, right?"

I've never seen a word "shat" ....

........... according to UC you're an IGNORAMUS.

Well ...that's "common" knowledge.

You can't even read city maps.

[Yssup Rider]

Oh, you want to argue numerous versus many?

Are you fucking nuts?

Or just feeble?

BTW -- Ignoramus! http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shat

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Oh, you want to argue numerous versus many?

Are you fucking nuts?

Or just feeble?

BTW -- Ignoramus! http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shat

Not arguing. Just pointing out how you change what people write to make a point. ... your point.

Like eskimoes know snowflakes, you would know about shit.

I shan't use shat for shit.

[ArisRose]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I bet that would scare them off ...

...... well ... not .... UC aka WombRaider.

Now he's gonna go off on a tangent about strapons.

She shot 3 dead before one put a bullet in her. I think that was pretty damn good. Her ghost still haunts the property.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yes, I have on numerous occasions.

That is why I have always complied with the requests of a police officer, whether in this country or another one. I thought to myself .... would it be better just stand here still and answer the questions, as well as produce "my documents," and comply with the requests,

OR

assert my "rights," get my ass kicked here and then again "downtown," or get holes in me right here and rolled into the ditch.

It's too bad you don't spend your spare time "preaching" to the "bad boys" on how to avoid getting shot down by the cops ... rather than whining on here about how cops murder innocent little boys .. and crippled old men.

But you'd rather fuck their sisters, wives, gfs, mothers, and daughters and feel like you are absorbing their culture and learning all about them.....and then come on here and whine about the cops. Does the FACT that you're a white guy help you get in their pants? Or is it the pillow talk about what no good pieces of shit the cops are? Do you ever admit how you really feel about them? Or do you hide that like Obaminable hides the fact that he's not a Christian?

Who the fuck is 'them'?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I bet that would scare them off ...

...... well ... not .... UC aka WombRaider.

Now he's gonna go off on a tangent about strapons.

When have I ever said a word about strap-ons before? You seem to know an awful lot about it though, care to share?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by ArisRose

She shot 3 dead before one put a bullet in her. I think that was pretty damn good. Her ghost still haunts the property.

Did her ghost leave behind the weapon she used?