The Derek Chauvin Trial.....It Begins

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by bambino

Take a look at this:

https://saltycrackermerch.com/camera...ite-supremacy/

Yeah, From the very beginning of this whole incident I question the narrative that the actions Chauvin took was the cause of Floyd's death. The big "Red light" for me was the media kept referring to Floyd being choked. There was no choke. Floyd's airway could not have possibly been cutoff by the position of Chauvin's knee. It's a dam shame they are pushing a bullshit narrative to make Chauvin in the eyes of the public to be a cold hearted killer. Thanks for posting that.

[dreamvacationdates]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Chauvin didn't use a "Choke Hold" per se, simply because his hands were never involved in obstructing Floyd's airway which is typically how a choke hold is applied. Pressure applied with the knee on the back or side of the neck although uncomfortable and even painful is not considered a choke maneuver unless the subject is on his back and a knee is applied directly to the throat obstructing the airway. If Chauvin wanted to kill Floyd putting Floyd on his back and kneeling on Floyd's throat would have indicated direct intent to take Floyd's life that would have taken approximately four minutes instead of the nine minutes. It appears that Floyd could have easily died without even being in police custody. Floyd's toxicology report indicates he had CDS in his system at rather significant amounts, that's not good.

So if I shot you in the head but you died because your heart stopped and you have taken drugs, I can say it was the drugs that caused your heart to stop, and that the bullet to the head didn't contribute to your heart stopping it was the drugs instead that caused your heart to stop, I mean you were going to die eventually from the drugs anyway. so that's the ticket.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by dreamvacationdates

So if I shot you in the head but you died because your heart stopped and you have taken drugs, I can say it was the drugs that caused your heart to stop, and that the bullet to the head didn't contribute to your heart stopping it was the drugs instead that caused your heart to stop, I mean you were going to die eventually from the drugs anyway. so that's the ticket.

No, because first of all a firearm is a deadly weapon and being shot in the head there is a 95% chance of death. Chauvin didn't use a weapon and kneeling on someones shoulder blade isn't fatal. Just because George Floyd died in Police Custody doesn't guarantee the actions of the Police caused Floyd's death. The only thing Chauvin might be guilty of is violating Departmental Policy on use of force. Considering the Toxicology report if George Floyd was in the exact same situation with a private citizen instead of a Police Officer would there be a Murder Trial?

[reddog1951]

Lot of rationalization going on here to support outcomes wanted to be true. I probably mis spoke regarding choke hold, suffocation is probably a more accurate descriptor. Chest couldn't expand to breathe, trachea obstructed, effort required to breathe simply became overwhelming (mechanism if crucifixion....an NO, if not deifying), etc. I'm still back to triggered; police were determined to put perp in car, perp didn't comply, and escalates from there. Call a paddy wagon, if those even exist anymore. Sorry, but video clearly shows Floyd was not violent, merely non compliant. My opinion would change had he been violent.

My 70 year 110 pound mother once crashed her car while sloppily drunk but unharmed. Gripped the steering wheel with both hands and had to be forcibly extracted to be arrested. I presume the same fate would be ok for her? Old, drunk (probably extremely high BAC), had cancer...going to die anyway...

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Lot of rationalization going on here to support outcomes wanted to be true. I probably mis spoke regarding choke hold, suffocation is probably a more accurate descriptor. Chest couldn't expand to breathe, trachea obstructed, effort required to breathe simply became overwhelming (mechanism if crucifixion....an NO, if not deifying), etc. I'm still back to triggered; police were determined to put perp in car, perp didn't comply, and escalates from there. Call a paddy wagon, if those even exist anymore. Sorry, but video clearly shows Floyd was not violent, merely non compliant. My opinion would change had he been violent.

My 70 year 110 pound mother once crashed her car while sloppily drunk but unharmed. Gripped the steering wheel with both hands and had to be forcibly extracted to be arrested. I presume the same fate would be ok for her? Old, drunk (probably extremely high BAC), had cancer...going to die anyway...

Looks like you’re rationalizing for an outcome you want. I have no idea what the outcome will be. Ultimately it won’t affect my life at all.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Bambino

Did they know he had a record, and was it violent?
Did he blow breathalyzer on scence..honestly, I don't know, just a question. Even so, was he a violent threat?
So, an alcoholic or druggie or large guy automatically gets a choke hold, just because?

Sorry, but you're making excuses, not giving justification.

Do you know Chauvin and Floyd worked together?
Floyd was combative. You need to go review the tapes.

[winn dixie]

floyd was a thug fighting whitey law!

[reddog1951]

Hi Lost Dixie. Please explain the Whitey law reference.

Gnatfly, where was he combative? What I saw was basically complient, name rank, serial number, then cuffed. Tried to be put in backseat cuffed and had panic attack. Drugs? Obviously. Combative, don't see it...resisting, Sure. Life threatening threat to anyone? Sorry, not on tape.

[bambino]

https://citizenfreepress.com/breakin...lade-not-neck/

No further questions!!!

[dilbert firestorm]

hm.. interesting device the EMTs have; the compression machine. its kinda wasted since they weren't giving him oxygen first.

[rexdutchman]

whatever happens its not gonna be enough , more or still peaceful riots

[reddog1951]

Dilbert obviously doesn't know CPR. Oxygen administration is a nice adjunct if in an ER, but certainly not mandatory. The protocols have changed since I was active and don't stress mouth to mouth or ambu bag use as much any more. More emphasis on chest compression, which probably (?) facilitates airflow as well. Officers on scene should have initiated CPR long before ambulance arrived, whatever caused the death. Suffocation, drugs, heart attack, whatever, it was their duty to recognize and render aid. I presume they were trained.

Regarding the choke hold. Probably arguing semantics. The real issue is air exchange by the lungs. Obstruction doesn't have to be at the neck. A boa constrictor kills be keeping it's victim's chest from expanding to draw in new air. Any positioning, weight on rib cage, etc., that prevents expansion of the chest can accomplish the same.

[bambino]

I just read an article which I unfortunately can’t post here due to forbidden topics. The Defense attorney is poking holes in the prosecution’s case. Big time. Go to The Gateway Pundits website. You’ll find it there.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Dilbert obviously doesn't know CPR. Oxygen administration is a nice adjunct if in an ER, but certainly not mandatory. The protocols have changed since I was active and don't stress mouth to mouth or ambu bag use as much any more. More emphasis on chest compression, which probably (?) facilitates airflow as well. Officers on scene should have initiated CPR long before ambulance arrived, whatever caused the death. Suffocation, drugs, heart attack, whatever, it was their duty to recognize and render aid. I presume they were trained.

Regarding the choke hold. Probably arguing semantics. The real issue is air exchange by the lungs. Obstruction doesn't have to be at the neck. A boa constrictor kills be keeping it's victim's chest from expanding to draw in new air. Any positioning, weight on rib cage, etc., that prevents expansion of the chest can accomplish the same.

It's not the same thing not even close. A knee on the shoulder blade doesn't obstruct the exchange of gases the same as a snake completely wrapping itself around it's prey and squeezing until the lungs can no longer expand the rib cage. Chauvin's Legal defense is eroding the original narrative that George Floyd was choked which was the cause of death. The cause of death was in the making long before George Floyd ever encountered the Police because of all the stuff he had taken, Floyd even admits that in a video clip during the trial.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

It's not the same thing not even close. A knee on the shoulder blade doesn't obstruct the exchange of gases the same as a snake completely wrapping itself around it's prey and squeezing until the lungs can no longer expand the rib cage. Chauvin's Legal defense is eroding the original narrative that George Floyd was choked which was the cause of death. The cause of death was in the making long before George Floyd ever encountered the Police because of all the stuff he had taken, Floyd even admits that in a video clip during the trial.

If you read The Gateway Pundit piece, Floyd wasn’t saying I can’t breath but I took too many forbidden topics. Floyd’s dealer should be charged with murder.