Hardly Anyone At The Hospital. Where's this National Emergency?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

As far as NYC, I'm concerned about mainly about Texas. We can't treat all of the US the same. Some communities are going to suffer more than others. Shouldn't make allowances for that? Do you think NYers are concerned about Texas?

Vaccines may be a long way off. Right now tests and treatments are the major concern. Why try to drag anti-vaxxers into this?

No problems with what you say about NYC. You missed my point. It doesn't make any sense to me why people think that if it happened in Wuhan or Milan it won't happen in the USA. But if you're so inclined, it should be harder to ignore what's happening right now in NYC, which is part of the USA.

You don't have to rely on Chinese numbers btw, look at the videos and press reports that came out of Wuhan.

As to dragging anti-vaxxers into this, I've got no idea what that means.

[Missburger]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Why don't you? And report back? With pics preferably.

You sound short-sighted. And pessimistic. And panicky.

Calm down. It'll be over soon enough.

You'll survive. They have that medical ship on its way to NYC.

Ventilators arriving, medical supplies, etc.

This is NOT polio. The vast majority of people who survive won't be crippled.

Let's let the economy not be crippled by it either.

too late buddy its a recession


oh well

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Missburger

too late buddy its a recession


oh well

You can bet it was done on purpose, after all it is an "Election Year".

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Walgreen's will likely not. Still - I got the shingles vaccine - am of that age.

shingles is painful and debilitating - and worth preventing.
Glad i got the shingles vaccine!

My father got the vaccine and the Shingles not long after. He gets a Flu shot every year too.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Missburger

too late buddy its a recession


oh well

Duh. Stop trying to make it a depression. "Buddy"

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Duh. Stop trying to make it a depression. "Buddy"

As far as I am concerned we are under undeclared Martial Law.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Walgreen's will likely not. Still - I got the shingles vaccine - am of that age.

shingles is painful and debilitating - and worth preventing.
Glad i got the shingles vaccine!

The shingles vaccine, at least the first version, is only 50% effective. I got one after my grandfather, who had shingles, said he'd rather have another heart attack.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

As far as I am concerned we are under undeclared Martial Law.

Close but here in Houston, there are no cops out. I doubt 1) want to enforce it 2) be around someone with CV.

[oeb11]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shi...rix/index.html

From the CDC:




What Everyone Should Know about Shingles Vaccine (Shingrix)

Shingles vaccination is the only way to protect against shingles and postherpetic neuralgia (PHN), the most common complication from shingles. CDC recommends that healthy adults 50 years and older get two doses of the shingles vaccine called Shingrix (recombinant zoster vaccine), separated by 2 to 6 months, to prevent shingles and the complications from the disease. Your doctor or pharmacist can give you Shingrix as a shot in your upper arm.
Shingrix provides strong protection against shingles and PHN. Two doses of Shingrix is more than 90% effective at preventing shingles and PHN. Protection stays above 85% for at least the first four years after you get vaccinated. Shingrix is the preferred vaccine, over Zostavax® (zoster vaccine live), a shingles vaccine in use since 2006. Zostavax may still be used to prevent shingles in healthy adults 60 years and older. For example, you could use Zostavax if a person is allergic to Shingrix, prefers Zostavax, or requests immediate vaccination and Shingrix is unavailable.
Who Should Get Shingrix?

Healthy adults 50 years and older should get two doses of Shingrix, separated by 2 to 6 months. You should get Shingrix even if in the past you

• had shingles
• received Zostavax
• are not sure if you had chickenpox

There is no maximum age for getting Shingrix.
If you had shingles in the past, you can get Shingrix to help prevent future occurrences of the disease. There is no specific length of time that you need to wait after having shingles before you can receive Shingrix, but generally you should make sure the shingles rash has gone away before getting vaccinated.
You can get Shingrix whether or not you remember having had chickenpox in the past. Studies show that more than 99% of Americans 40 years and older have had chickenpox, even if they don’t remember having the disease. Chickenpox and shingles are related because they are caused by the same virus (varicella zoster virus). After a person recovers from chickenpox, the virus stays dormant (inactive) in the body. It can reactivate years later and cause shingles.
If you had Zostavax in the recent past, you should wait at least eight weeks before getting Shingrix. Talk to your healthcare provider to determine the best time to get Shingrix.
Shingrix is available in doctor’s offices and pharmacies. To find doctor’s offices or pharmacies near you that offer the vaccine, visit HealthMap Vaccine Finderexternal icon.
If you have questions about Shingrix, talk with your healthcare provider.

Vaccine for Those 50 Years and Older
Shingrix reduces the risk of shingles and PHN by more than 90% in people 50 and older. CDC recommends the vaccine for healthy adults 50 and older.





Who Should Not Get Shingrix?

You should not get Shingrix if you:

• have ever had a severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine or after a dose of Shingrix
• tested negative for immunity to varicella zoster virus. If you test negative, you should get chickenpox vaccine.
• currently have shingles
• currently are pregnant or breastfeeding. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should wait to get Shingrix.

If you have a minor acute (starts suddenly) illness, such as a cold, you may get Shingrix. But if you have a moderate or severe acute illness, you should usually wait until you recover before getting the vaccine. This includes anyone with a temperature of 101.3°F or higher.

The side effects of the Shingrix are temporary, and usually last 2 to 3 days. While you may experience pain for a few days after getting Shingrix, the pain will be less severe than having shingles and the complications from the disease.





How Well Does Shingrix Work?

Two doses of Shingrix provides strong protection against shingles and postherpetic neuralgia (PHN), the most common complication of shingles.

• In adults 50 to 69 years old who got two doses, Shingrix was 97% effective in preventing shingles; among adults 70 years and older, Shingrix was 91% effective.
• In adults 50 to 69 years old who got two doses, Shingrix was 91% effective in preventing PHN; among adults 70 years and older, Shingrix was 89% effective.

Shingrix protection remained high (more than 85%) in people 70 years and older throughout the four years following vaccination. Since your risk of shingles and PHN increases as you get older, it is important to have strong protection against shingles in your older years.
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What Are the Possible Side Effects of Shingrix?

Studies show that Shingrix is safe. The vaccine helps your body create a strong defense against shingles. As a result, you are likely to have temporary side effects from getting the shots. The side effects may affect your ability to do normal daily activities for 2 to 3 days.
Most people got a sore arm with mild or moderate pain after getting Shingrix, and some also had redness and swelling where they got the shot. Some people felt tired, had muscle pain, a headache, shivering, fever, stomach pain, or nausea. About 1 out of 6 people who got Shingrix experienced side effects that prevented them from doing regular activities. Symptoms went away on their own in about 2 to 3 days. Side effects were more common in younger people.
You might have a reaction to the first or second dose of Shingrix, or both doses. If you experience side effects, you may choose to take over-the-counter pain medicine such as ibuprofen or acetaminophen.
If you experience side effects from Shingrix, you should report them to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Your doctor might file this report, or you can do it yourself through the VAERS websiteexternal icon, or by calling 1-800-822-7967.
If you have any questions about side effects from Shingrix, talk with your doctor.
The shingles vaccine does not contain thimerosal (a preservative containing mercury).
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When Should I See a Doctor Because of the Side Effects I Experience From Shingrix?

In clinical trials, Shingrix was not associated with serious adverse events. In fact, serious side effects from vaccines are extremely rare. For example, for every 1 million doses of a vaccine given, only one or two people may have a severe allergic reaction. Signs of an allergic reaction happen within minutes or hours after vaccination and include hives, swelling of the face and throat, difficulty breathing, a fast heartbeat, dizziness, or weakness. If you experience these or any other life-threatening symptoms, see a doctor right away.
Shingrix causes a strong response in your immune system, so it may produce short-term side effects more intense than you are used to from other vaccines. These side effects can be uncomfortable, but they are expected and usually go away on their own in 2 or 3 days.

[gnadfly]

Thanks OEB. I assume Zostavax is the version of the Shingles vaccine I got.

[gnadfly]

I went by the same hospital again about an hour ago.

The parking lot was emptier than I have seen it the past few weeks. Absolutely no signs of construction workers.
Same number of tents
No cars or people waiting to get tested by the tents.
One guy in scrubs around the tents sitting in a chair.
One standing guy talking to him in street clothes. No social distance. No facemasks.
No ER overflow or ambulances by the ER doors.

If there's a pandemic it's not happening on this side of Houston.

[oeb11]

One of the Recommended Vaccines Zostavax and Shingrix - they are not identical - and Shringrix has a higher efficacy profile.

FYI - read about both - Shringrix is the more recent vaccine


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shi...vax/index.html




On This Page

• Who Should Get Shingles Vaccine?
• Who Should Not Get Shingles Vaccine?
• What Are the Types of Shingles Vaccine?
• How Well Does Shingles Vaccine Work?
• What Are the Possible Side Effects of Shingles Vaccine?
• How Can I Pay For Shingles Vaccine?

Your risk of shingles and postherpetic neuralgia (PHN) increases as you get older. CDC recommends that people 60 years old and older get shingles vaccine (Zostavax®) to prevent shingles and PHN. Shingrix (recombinant zoster vaccine) is the preferred vaccine, over Zostavax® (zoster vaccine live), a shingles vaccine in use since 2006. Zostavax may still be used to prevent shingles in healthy adults 60 years and older. For example, you could use Zostavax if a person is allergic to Shingrix, prefers Zostavax, or requests immediate vaccination and Shingrix is unavailable.
Zostavax (zoster vaccine live) was licensed by the FDA in 2006. This vaccine reduces the risk of developing shingles by 51% and PHN by 67%. It is given in one dose as a shot, and can be given in a doctor’s office or pharmacy.
Who Should Get Shingles Vaccine?

People 60 years of age or older should get shingles vaccine (Zostavax). They should get the vaccine whether or not they recall having had chickenpox, which is caused by the same virus as shingles. Studies show that more than 99% of Americans aged 40 and older have had chickenpox, even if they don’t remember getting the disease. There is no maximum age for getting shingles vaccine.
Two vaccines are licensed and recommended to prevent shingles in the U.S.. Zoster vaccine live (ZVL, Zostavax) has been in use since 2006. Recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix), has been in use since 2017 and is recommended by ACIP as the preferred shingles vaccine.



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Even if you have had shingles, you can still receive shingles vaccine to help prevent future occurrences of the disease. There is no specific length of time you must wait after having shingles before receiving shingles vaccine, but generally you should make sure the shingles rash has disappeared before getting vaccinated. The decision on when to get vaccinated should be made with your healthcare provider.
Zostavax is approved by the Food and Drug Administrationexternal icon for people aged 50 years and older. However, CDC does not have a recommendation for routine use of Zostavax in people 50 through 59 years old. Protection from this shingles vaccine lasts about 5 years, so adults vaccinated before they are 60 years old might not be protected later in life when the risk for shingles and its complications are greatest. Adults 50 through 59 years who have questions about shingles vaccine should discuss the risks and benefits with a healthcare provider.
Talk with your healthcare provider if you have questions about shingles vaccine. Shingles vaccine is available in doctor’s offices and pharmacies. To find doctor’s offices or pharmacies near you that offer the vaccine, visit Zostavaxexternal icon or HealthMap Vaccine Finderexternal icon.
Who Should Not Get Shingles Vaccine?

Some people should not get shingles vaccine (Zostavax):
Vaccine for Those 60 Years and Older
The Shingles Prevention Study involved individuals age 60 years and older and found that Zostavax significantly reduced disease in this age group. The vaccine is currently recommended for persons 60 years of age and older.

• A person who has ever had a life-threatening or severe allergic reaction to gelatin, the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of shingles vaccine. Tell your doctor if you have any severe allergies.
• A person who has a weakened immune system because of:
  • HIV/AIDS or another disease that affects the immune system,
  • treatment with drugs that affect the immune system, such as steroids,
  • cancer treatment such as radiation or chemotherapy, or
  • cancer affecting the bone marrow or lymphatic system, such as leukemia or lymphoma.
• Women who are or might be pregnant. Women should not become pregnant until at least 4 weeks after getting shingles vaccine.

Someone with a minor acute illness, such as a cold, may be vaccinated. But anyone with a moderate or severe acute illness should usually wait until they recover before getting the vaccine. This includes anyone with a temperature of 101.3°F or higher.
This information was taken from the Shingles Vaccine Information Statement (VIS) dated 10/06/2009.
What Are the Types of Shingles Vaccine?

Zostavax® was licensed by the FDA in 2006 for use in the United States. It is given in one dose as a shot, and can be given in a doctor’s office or pharmacy.
To find doctor’s offices or pharmacies near you that offer the vaccine, visit Zostavaxexternal icon or HealthMap Vaccine Finderexternal icon.
For more information about the vaccine, visit Zostavax®. pdf icon[11 pages]external icon
How Well Does Shingles Vaccine Work?

Zostavax®, the shingles vaccine, reduced the risk of shingles by 51% and the risk of post-herpetic neuralgia by 67% based on a large study of more than 38,000 adults aged 60 years or older. Protection from shingles vaccine lasts about 5 years.
While the vaccine was most effective in people 60 through 69 years old, it also provides some protection for people 70 years old and older.
Adults vaccinated before age 60 years might not be protected later in life when the risk for shingles and its complications are greatest.
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What Are the Possible Side Effects of Shingles Vaccine?

A vaccine, like any medicine, could possibly cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. However, the risk of a vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
No serious problems have been identified with shingles vaccine.
Mild side effects of shingles vaccine:

• Redness, soreness, swelling, or itching at the site of the injection (about 1 person in 3).
• Headache (about 1 person in 70).

It is safe to be around infants and young children, pregnant women, or people with weakened immune systems after you get the shingles vaccine. There is no documentation of a person getting chickenpox from someone who has received the shingles vaccine (which contains varicella zoster virus).
Some people who get the shingles vaccine will develop a chickenpox-like rash near the place where they were vaccinated. As a precaution, this rash should be covered until it disappears.
Like all vaccines, shingles vaccine is being closely monitored for unusual or severe problems by CDC and FDA.
Signs of a severe allergic reaction can include hives, swelling of the face and throat, difficulty breathing, a fast heartbeat, dizziness, and weakness. These would start a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination. If you have a severe allergic reaction or other emergency that can’t wait, call 9-1-1 or get the person to the nearest hospital. Otherwise, call your doctor.
Afterward, the reaction should be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Your doctor might file this report, or you can do it yourself through the VAERS websiteexternal icon, or by calling 1-800-822-7967.
The shingles vaccine does not contain thimerosal (a preservative containing mercury).
This information was taken directly from the Shingles Vaccine Information Statement (VIS) dated 10/06/2009.
For more information on possible side effects from vaccination, visit CDC’s Possible Side Effects from Vaccines page.
How Can I Pay For Shingles Vaccine?

There are several ways shingles vaccine may be paid for:
Medicare

• Medicare Part D plans cover the shingles vaccine, but there may be a cost to you depending on your plan. There may be a copay for the vaccine, or you may need to pay in full then get reimbursed for a certain amount.
• Medicare Part B does not cover the shingles vaccine.

Medicaid

• Medicaid may or may not cover the vaccine. Contact your insurer to find out.

Private health insurance

• Most private health insurance plans cover the vaccine for people 60 years of age or older. Some plans cover the vaccine for people 50 through 59 years of age.

Vaccine assistance programs

• Some pharmaceutical companies provide vaccines to eligible adults who cannot afford them. See more information on the patient assistance programexternal icon that includes Zostavax® (shingles vaccine).

If you do not currently have health insurance, learn more about affordable health coverage optionsexternal icon.
To find doctor’s offices or pharmacies near you that offer the vaccine, visit Zostavaxexternal icon or HealthMap Vaccine Finderexternal icon

[dilbert firestorm]

why are we talking about shingles in this thread?


speaking of shingles, assup definitely deserves to have it.

[oeb11]

The question arose.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I went by the same hospital again about an hour ago.

The parking lot was emptier than I have seen it the past few weeks. Absolutely no signs of construction workers.
Same number of tents
No cars or people waiting to get tested by the tents.
One guy in scrubs around the tents sitting in a chair.
One standing guy talking to him in street clothes. No social distance. No facemasks.
No ER overflow or ambulances by the ER doors.

If there's a pandemic it's not happening on this side of Houston.

Same report in Dallas - shit isn't overwhelming the hospitals here.

Maybe some of these fucking liberals need to get the shit kicked out of them so they can take up some hospital beds.

[Revenant]

Originally Posted by FrankZappa

Look , that is how they stopped it in S Korea, Taiwan ,Singapore and Germany,

We had much more time to prepare but Trump and Republicans laughed at it.

We couldn't test because Trump laughed at this whole thing and still is,

Germany stopped it? As of today, they are still a rising exponential.


They have over 91K cases in a population of less than 83M people.


The US has 3 times as many cases (275K) cases, but about 4 times the population (330M).


So, the US is doing better than Germany.