Disturbing Video of Fort Worth Arrest.. WTF?

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

interesting that Scribe, mediavolume, and other defenders of the Cop, disappeared from this thread.. nobody is defending this reprehensible human anymore.

interesting, too, is that the citizens of Fort Worth are too docile to protest, but plenty of people showed at DFW airport today, on short notice, to protest the travel ban on certain immigrants.

we are willing to protest for the "rights" of strangers from a few countries with a history of terrorism, but we don't care to protest for our own local citizens, for the civil rights of our own neighbors.

CT I'm back!
(I love being missed...lol)

We discussed it, I've adapted my position, and respected you're viewpoints as you've respected mine. Personally, I think that you, grean, myself - and a few select other should have an "open debate" thread, where anyone can pose us a topics, and just our group debates... eliminate the "screw you" trolls, and hold these meaningful conversations.

I think my slough off on this, after stating my opinions - is actually more in tune to the majority of the quiet proletariat, than you're more vocal representation of the disturbed minority.

Most people - although it irks those here posting how unjust this was... basically believe that the cop has a tough job, and while there are changes that could make it better - also see the public has to have a higher level of compliance for the overall level to be raised.

That's it CT. Not if it's "just" or PC... it's just how most people see it.

Just like how most people see America; flawed under the Dems, and time for a change. Hence Trump.

I knew many, many, people actively knocking on doors, promoting "Get out and Vote", democrats rule, etc.... it was all democrat pushing people. (nothing wrong with that)... but for Trump to then win, you know what that says? Even the Dems, even the SJW's, were too tired to really make the effort to want change...

Oh, they'll blog, march, yell, break windows, complain... but if another few, minor percentage points on that side really wanted their position granted - they could have done it this election. It didn't happen.

So, while I hate to break the news... the reason I sloughed off... is because like most people, I really don't think this warrants that much continued argument. We heard you, you presented valid points, I respect your opinions, I listen and you changed my views ever so slightly (and change takes time) ...

...but, not enough to pick up your flag and march beside you. And that's MOST of the USA. I realize you haven't got hundred here - telling you your opinions are wrong, (that's not what we do for out protest - march and yell, break windows and shout).

...we don't follow. That's our protest.

[Chung Tran]

I hear you Scribe, and I think you accurately reflect the feelings of a solid majority.. my problem is not with your group, really, it's more with the minority that could make change in this case.. it only takes a few rabble rousers to make a solid, actionable point.. I think the few people who got sufficiently angry, reacted too late, and allowed the city and police to frame the story in their favor.

BTW, I got stopped by a Cop this morning.. veered onto the shoulder in traffic, to avoid traffic.. for maybe 50 feet.. Cop was right there watching, I'm sure he sees scores of people doing that same thing in that same spot every day.. I got a warning, after the obligatory insurance, license, warrant check.. dressed for work, professionally.. I think the latter made a difference, as well as my cordial attitude.

just saying.. one could easily use this example against my argument, and point out that Mrs. Craig and her daughters behaved opposite to me.. which they did, no question.. but "their" Cop egged them on, he baited them, attacked them.. "my" Cop ultimately showed respect and good judgement in the situation, "their" Cop demonstrated criminality of his own.

[mediavolume]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I hear you Scribe, and I think you accurately reflect the feelings of a solid majority.. my problem is not with your group, really, it's more with the minority that could make change in this case.. it only takes a few rabble rousers to make a solid, actionable point.. I think the few people who got sufficiently angry, reacted too late, and allowed the city and police to frame the story in their favor.

BTW, I got stopped by a Cop this morning.. veered onto the shoulder in traffic, to avoid traffic.. for maybe 50 feet.. Cop was right there watching, I'm sure he sees scores of people doing that same thing in that same spot every day.. I got a warning, after the obligatory insurance, license, warrant check.. dressed for work, professionally.. I think the latter made a difference, as well as my cordial attitude.

just saying.. one could easily use this example against my argument, and point out that Mrs. Craig and her daughters behaved opposite to me.. which they did, no question.. but "their" Cop egged them on, he baited them, attacked them.. "my" Cop ultimately showed respect and good judgement in the situation, "their" Cop demonstrated criminality of his own.

Maybe you should yell at the cop like it was his fault.

[Scribe]

You know CT - I always like our discussions; because I really think about the other side...

I realized something today; Your side is probably, usually the more correct and appealing side - but here's my feelings "You have bad PR".

That's it. And I think that's why Trump got elected, and I think that's why your side will continue to lose... and it's wrong (maybe), but let me explain...

Take a vagrant on a corner - you know, a lot of times I'm the guy holding up the traffic to give someone who needs it a buck or two... but lately, they've seem to have gotten really aggressive in running up to the car, shaking a cup, even yelling through the window "Hey, change?"

Now - in my heart, there's nothing wrong. They are down on their luck, and my heart says "help them!"... but when they do some of the things they do - it's bad publicity, and I don't help.

I want to see your point on the people in Ft Worth, but there's so much bad PR, (committed by them, their posturing, their language) - that I just... (and I want to use a specific word here)
...I just "won't". My subconscious won't let me.

...so when you discuss "more action", I think your side needs to rethink it's game plan - it's not really getting the desired effect now... MORE of it, would just get more of a bad result.

[grean]

Originally Posted by Scribe

You know CT - I always like our discussions; because I really think about the other side...

I realized something today; Your side is probably, usually the more correct and appealing side - but here's my feelings "You have bad PR".

That's it. And I think that's why Trump got elected, and I think that's why your side will continue to lose... and it's wrong (maybe), but let me explain...

Take a vagrant on a corner - you know, a lot of times I'm the guy holding up the traffic to give someone who needs it a buck or two... but lately, they've seem to have gotten really aggressive in running up to the car, shaking a cup, even yelling through the window "Hey, change?"

Now - in my heart, there's nothing wrong. They are down on their luck, and my heart says "help them!"... but when they do some of the things they do - it's bad publicity, and I don't help.

I want to see your point on the people in Ft Worth, but there's so much bad PR, (committed by them, their posturing, their language) - that I just... (and I want to use a specific word here)
...I just "won't". My subconscious won't let me.

...so when you discuss "more action", I think your side needs to rethink it's game plan - it's not really getting the desired effect now... MORE of it, would just get more of a bad result.

Can you explain the sides?

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by grean

Can you explain the sides?

CT - for the people (Cop 100% in the wrong, he caused everything - racist)
S - for the Cop (People acted like fools, if they acted better wouldn't have happened)

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Scribe

CT - for the people (Cop 100% in the wrong, he caused everything - racist)
S - for the Cop (People acted like fools, if they acted better wouldn't have happened)

Ha! well, I would not say 100%, but 95% is accurate.. and I believe racism played a role, just because the facts lead me in that direction.. in reality, it's race, class, and the attitude of the ladies that brought the Cop's hubris and arrogance in play.

I do appreciate your conclusion, and the realization that it is a wrong stance.. at least change has a chance, when you admit you are not right and perfect.

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by pyramider

A suspension is hardly a vacation.

That cop got off easy, guys with his attitude should not have any authority, smart ass dirty cop

He should have made a report and kept his personal thoughts to himself, call for back up or a supervisor if he couldn't handle the situation

[mediavolume]

Originally Posted by BLM69

That cop got off easy, guys with his attitude should not have any authority, smart ass dirty cop

Seems you havent realized that they become this way because of the stupid mouthy people they are sworn to protect dont respect them and in many cases call for violence against them.

[grean]

Originally Posted by mediavolume

Seems you havent realized that they become this way because of the stupid mouthy people they are sworn to protect dont respect them and in many cases call for violence against them.

That is ridiculous. 99% of the police don't become "this way", as you put it. The 1%, probably much less than that actually, sliver through screening that would otherwise disqualify them from being police.

I am, if I may say, a "YUGE" fan of the Blue. The integrity of the 99% is tarnished by actions of that 1%.

Members of that bad 1% were "this way", well before becoming cops. They use their preconceived notions of peoples character and worth as justification to use illegal force.

I cannot see how anyone, who does back the blue, can excuse the officer's actions.

I do hope a Federal Case with force Ft. Worth to take the proper action.

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by mediavolume

Seems you havent realized that they become this way because of the stupid mouthy people they are sworn to protect dont respect them and in many cases call for violence against them.

They should find another profession if they can't handle what comes with the position, I couldn't do it and know it

[mediavolume]

Originally Posted by grean

That is ridiculous. 99% of the police don't become "this way", as you put it. The 1%, probably much less than that actually, sliver through screening that would otherwise disqualify them from being police.

I am, if I may say, a "YUGE" fan of the Blue. The integrity of the 99% is tarnished by actions of that 1%.

Members of that bad 1% were "this way", well before becoming cops. They use their preconceived notions of peoples character and worth as justification to use illegal force.

I cannot see how anyone, who does back the blue, can excuse the officer's actions.

I do hope a Federal Case with force Ft. Worth to take the proper action.

So you are saying that <1% of the police are bad.

And thus are somehow terrorizing (according to blm) the entire black community. There are ~1 million police officers in the usa making about (1%) 10,000 total officers that are causing hatred amongst ~42 million black people.

I highly doubt your theory is true.

The better theory is that poorer people propagate hatred of the police to friends and family. These families have lower education, lower skilled jobs, more unemployment, more children, more 1 parent households.
This hatred results in disrespect for the police. Instead of protectors, they are seen as evil.

There are plenty examples of this even amongst white people.

All of the police issues since Travon have the same factors but no one wants to look at that. The only shooting i have seen that was wrong was the one where the guy was running away and the officer shot him in the back. Even then the police did the right thing and charged the officer.


I say to all of you on this thread crying racism to stop pointing at everything and calling it racist. It does you no good and weakens actual racism acts.

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by grean

That is ridiculous. 99% of the police don't become "this way", as you put it. The 1%, probably much less than that actually, sliver through screening that would otherwise disqualify them from being police.

I am, if I may say, a "YUGE" fan of the Blue. The integrity of the 99% is tarnished by actions of that 1%.

Members of that bad 1% were "this way", well before becoming cops. They use their preconceived notions of peoples character and worth as justification to use illegal force.

I cannot see how anyone, who does back the blue, can excuse the officer's actions.

I do hope a Federal Case with force Ft. Worth to take the proper action.

grean - EXCELLENT perspective,
I always want to point this out but forget!

USA population +/- 325MILLION that basically means everything everybody is screaming about (really, almost everything) is a really really small percentage... It's just a lot, because of our population size.

For instance ... let's say (just picking because they are "topical") 1/10,000% of the US population are Muslims who are terrorist threats... that 32,000+ people. But the number seems huge.

This was just demonstrated on the travel ban where (depends on who you believe) 60k-100k had VISA blocks... Sounds like this massive amount - sure, but that's a really really small percentage... on the whole, the government is doing pretty well on this matter.

Now take this bad racist untrained cop, or these loud mouthed disrespectful people - NEITHER represents any significant percentage of the population. But what's crazy is - here we are (all of us) feeling and discussing things like they are "the norm".

"There were 3702 incident of...blah, blah, blah... last year"

(So? I mean - yeah, I get it, I feel bad about it... but you know, if your doctor said you had cancer, and there's a treatment that 99.999% effective, would you be protesting MERCK because of the few deaths, or cheering them because of thousands of saved lives? Would you say "No way, it's not good enough if it's not 100%?"or be like "Hey - that's good enough for me! Thank you Jesus!"?)

Do you want bad cops - No, but tell me ANY system, that is 100% perfect for anything?
I think 99.997% might be about all you'll ever get for good cops, because people change daily (the asshole cop today might be the guy who gave CT a warning tomorrow) - and how do you know, a complete training and overhaul of the police system of training (which costs millions) won't end up with 99.996% instead?

[grean]

You're correct. There is no possible way to have 100% perfection. This also definitely is not the norm. Because it was, in fact, so far away from the norm, this was such an easy case to draw a line and say it's intolerable.

Police work can be extremely difficult. This situation should have been a milk run. If your mom can't trust to send you on a milk run, she certainly won't let you do something really important.

How will this cop react in a situation that could cost someone their life? I sure as hell wouldn't saddle up with him. I want to come back home, not get shot because he can't keep himself from shooting off at the mouth.

[Chung Tran]

so.. I had a long and interesting discussion today, with a Client who is very close to this incident.. she knows the lady, Mrs. Craig, and her family, and the 7 year-old that was allegedly choked.. she also knows a Cop who told her inside details.

I learned today that the 7 year-old had littered twice.. after he was told to stop, he went home, got more trash, and deliberately threw more into the guy's yard.. the guy called the Cops first, before Mrs. Craig did.. the Officer at the scene, Martin, had run a background check, so he knew about the warrants when he arrived.. which likely played a role in how he proceeded. My Client said the boy lied about being choked. the neighbors were already scared of the family, which likely prompted the guy to call police first.

my Client agrees that Martin acted unprofessional, and should be fired, but.. she said the family are known trouble-makers in the neighborhood, the 7 year-old and his brothers are bullies, the Cops have been called to the home for disturbances several times. she said Mrs. Craig is a sweet woman at times, but if she gets irritated.. which is often.. she is a "Dragon".. my Client said Craig is crazy, and her neighbors have told her to check her attitude, that she has had lots of goodwill toward her, and should be humbled.

interesting to get a different POV from an insider.