Atlanta officer shooting

[Aoi]

Just a friendly reminder that many nations have had some form of indentured servitude.

But you don't hear them crying about things hundreds of years after it ended.

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Because we're not the problem... your attitude and your cultural norms are the problem.

In I.T. there is something called an RCA - it stands for root cause analysis. For every incident or issue that a system has, an RCA is conducted. You see symptoms and claim its racism. But low home ownership rates, broken families, low HS graduation rates, poverty, drug addiction. These are ALL symptoms... they are not racist or the result of racist policies. They are the natural results of the set of norms that black people have embraced. You're probably smart enough to understand it...and that explains your anger. You KNOW you're really part of the problem but that's a hard thing to accept. It tough to accept the norms that you embrace are actually toxic. I feel bad for you... because if you knew better you'd might actually be able to help the people in your community.

Sure, it IS some of that. I can't get these fools to quit sagging their pants, blowing off education, making baby mamas, [proudly] going to the pen, calling each other the N word, keeping property value low in their areas, etc. For most of their...our, whole lives, that's all they've ever known. The conditions of one's environment has a lot of gravity to it. It's hard to get out of poverty. If it wasn't, everybody would be out.

That said, pretending there aren't obstacles created by others to perpetuate the horrible circumstances of black people is insane. Systemic racism is a real thing. Whether you or anyone else on this board is racist or not is immaterial. There are other forces at work. Denying it would be like me saying, "Hey, I'm not a rapist, so rape isn't real." Or, that hey, bullying isn't real because I myself am not a bully.

But let's rewind the clock here. When black American slaves were freed, what did they get?

What is redlining?

What does Jim Crow mean?

My problem with...lets just say, particular people, is that many of you act like things blew wide open for blacks in 1865. You act like all whites apologized everywhere, said my bad to slavery, offered assistance to better living, so on and so forth.

Since 1865, race relations and movement to equality have been pretty much a kick the can down the road kinda thing. Efforts by white people have been sluggish, glancingly helping, not really hitting it full on. Ohhhh, the next guy will do more to help you guys.

You know when you're trying to buy this weird tool in the store, and nobody really knows how to find it? They pass you off to others, and it either takes forever to get the tool, or you end up getting frustrated and leaving without it.

Here we are, 160 years later, there's still a little too much can kicking. Not only that, but there are those who just want to be in the way. It may not be any of you, but it's somebody else. They get in the way and also create other obstacles, yet claim the path is clear and wide. They're basically shoulder checking black people. The hallway is not clear. Even if you personally aren't blocking it...somebody else is.

Both sides can do better.

[ProFun]

They created their own issues and no one has the balls to say it outloud in a public forum. All the social media and CNN is about what others can do to help them but none about what they can do to help themselves. Guy in Atlanta got what he deserved.

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by ProFun

They created their own issues and no one has the balls to say it outloud in a public forum. All the social media and CNN is about what others can do to help them but none about what they can do to help themselves. Guy in Atlanta got what he deserved.

Ahhh, so the narrative is to dance around answering the questions, use selective reasoning, aaaaand basically blame the victims?

Got it.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Ahhh, so the narrative is to dance around answering the questions, use selective reasoning, aaaaand basically blame the victims?

Got it.

No, ProFun is not dancing around any question, he is spot on. All the black people of today that claim they are victims, are victims in their own mind, epecially those who think that slavery, that happened hundreds of years ago, has any direct coorelation to living their life currently.

If you want to play the victim and the race card for all the problems in your life instead of taking the horse by the reins and making something of your life, instead of demanding and taking free shit (to you), then that is not on white poeple, that is on you.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Ahhh, so the narrative is to dance around answering the questions, use selective reasoning, aaaaand basically blame the victims?

Got it.

My - RC - "So the narrative is to dance around answering the questions, use selective reasoning, aaaaand basically blame the COPS!!"


You describe DPST posts in a nutshell!!!
Thank U.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Sure, it IS some of that. I can't get these fools to quit sagging their pants, blowing off education, making baby mamas, [proudly] going to the pen, calling each other the N word, keeping property value low in their areas, etc. For most of their...our, whole lives, that's all they've ever known. The conditions of one's environment has a lot of gravity to it. It's hard to get out of poverty. If it wasn't, everybody would be out.

That said, pretending there aren't obstacles created by others to perpetuate the horrible circumstances of black people is insane. Systemic racism is a real thing. Whether you or anyone else on this board is racist or not is immaterial. There are other forces at work. Denying it would be like me saying, "Hey, I'm not a rapist, so rape isn't real." Or, that hey, bullying isn't real because I myself am not a bully.

But let's rewind the clock here. When black American slaves were freed, what did they get?

What is redlining?

What does Jim Crow mean?

My problem with...lets just say, particular people, is that many of you act like things blew wide open for blacks in 1865. You act like all whites apologized everywhere, said my bad to slavery, offered assistance to better living, so on and so forth.

Since 1865, race relations and movement to equality have been pretty much a kick the can down the road kinda thing. Efforts by white people have been sluggish, glancingly helping, not really hitting it full on. Ohhhh, the next guy will do more to help you guys.

You know when you're trying to buy this weird tool in the store, and nobody really knows how to find it? They pass you off to others, and it either takes forever to get the tool, or you end up getting frustrated and leaving without it.

Here we are, 160 years later, there's still a little too much can kicking. Not only that, but there are those who just want to be in the way. It may not be any of you, but it's somebody else. They get in the way and also create other obstacles, yet claim the path is clear and wide. They're basically shoulder checking black people. The hallway is not clear. Even if you personally aren't blocking it...somebody else is.

Both sides can do better.

Both sides can do better, I agree. There are good people on both sides who do so everyday.

Unfortunately, they are all battling the problem in vain because there is no win-win solution to the problem of identifying everything by race. It cannot be solved because too many benefit from the constant conflict on the issue.

Once we admit the problem is that there is no solution to the problem of identifying everything by race perhaps we can seek new solutions that everyone can live with going forward.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by oeb11

My - RC - "So the narrative is to dance around answering the questions, use selective reasoning, aaaaand basically blame the COPS!!"


You describe DPST posts in a nutshell!!!
Thank U.

The summary of BLM and those that think like them (there are lots of blacks that do not support BLM) is the blame others for their lot in life instead of working for a living and demand handouts for reparations from people that never owned slaves and give to people that never were slaves: https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ and I am thinking, only 10 requests?

[Grace Preston]

Now... there IS some merit to some arguments for victimization.


Where I live.. the public school system is pretty garbage. My kids high school is predominantly black.. to the tune of about 98%. He is the token white kid in most of his classes. We haven't had any problems in that regard but... we've lived elsewhere and he's gone to better schools. There are plenty of kids in this school with a 3.0 or better GPA.. but my kid was the first kid in 4 years to get a "college ready" score on the ACT. How do so many kids have a strong GPA, but lack the basic skills to get a 19 on the ACT?


The school is dumbed down. The assumption is "those kids can't handle real work"... so they don't even bother. The few kids in that school that can handle higher work are pushed into dual credit courses, as the high school can't even populate a higher level class. This sets the vast majority of the kids up for failure as you don't know what you lack that you need.. when things get dumbed down like that. Then they go to the local community college and find themselves stuck into all remedial classes.. which impacts their financial aid.. and impacts their ability to finish, ultimately.



Yes, they are responsible for their own success.. but the powers that be also share in the responsibility to not set them up for failure.

[Randall Creed]

Stumbled upon this here earlier today.

https://www.facebook.com/Renaissance...7370979812303/

Check it out, if you have the balls, and aren't racist.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Stumbled upon this here earlier today.

https://www.facebook.com/Renaissance...7370979812303/

Check it out, if you have the balls, and aren't racist.

They should have also built homes like that exclusively for blacks.

Shit, why not do that now and call it reparations?

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Now... there IS some merit to some arguments for victimization.


Where I live.. the public school system is pretty garbage. My kids high school is predominantly black.. to the tune of about 98%. He is the token white kid in most of his classes. We haven't had any problems in that regard but... we've lived elsewhere and he's gone to better schools. There are plenty of kids in this school with a 3.0 or better GPA.. but my kid was the first kid in 4 years to get a "college ready" score on the ACT. How do so many kids have a strong GPA, but lack the basic skills to get a 19 on the ACT?


The school is dumbed down. The assumption is "those kids can't handle real work"... so they don't even bother. The few kids in that school that can handle higher work are pushed into dual credit courses, as the high school can't even populate a higher level class. This sets the vast majority of the kids up for failure as you don't know what you lack that you need.. when things get dumbed down like that. Then they go to the local community college and find themselves stuck into all remedial classes.. which impacts their financial aid.. and impacts their ability to finish, ultimately.



Yes, they are responsible for their own success.. but the powers that be also share in the responsibility to not set them up for failure.

Well, valid points but I know some teachers in that environment and they start out trying harder but the system beats it out of them.

Take discipline, for instance, if the kid won't do his homework and the teacher cannot give them a bad grade or send them to the office?

Why not just show up, give everyone a passing grade, keep the peace and get paid so you can pay your school loans? Plus, if you are a white teacher, you have a greatly reduced chance of promotion anyway.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Stumbled upon this here earlier today.

https://www.facebook.com/Renaissance...7370979812303/

Check it out, if you have the balls, and aren't racist.

Leaves out the poster.

[flappygilmore007]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Just a friendly reminder that many nations have had some form of indentured servitude.

But you don't hear them crying about things hundreds of years after it ended.

What specific nations are you talking about? How would you even follow the news of these nations that you refer to? I know your ignorant a$$ isn't multi-lingual.


"Indentured servitude" as you call it, did not end hundreds of years ago in the USA.

[flappygilmore007]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Stumbled upon this here earlier today.

https://www.facebook.com/Renaissance...7370979812303/

Check it out, if you have the balls, and aren't racist.

This is what people need to see. The US government freed blacks, said things were equal, let them server and die in wars, but actively blocked them from gaining wealth and educational benefits of wealth. There is NO disputing that.



If the US had freed blacks then said GTFO or die, then that's a whole nother story.