The Mueller report

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Flynn wasn't charged for anything regarding Turkey.

Flynn was charged with a process crime relating to an illegal government investigation -- and that investigation predates Flynn's phone call with Kislyak; so, Comey lied about why and when he was looking at Flynn.

he wasn't but he should be. that was probably the result of a deal he made with the former fbi clowns to admit to technical perjury.



this has to do with Gulen whom Turkey is trying to extradite. its my understanding the Flynn cut a deal with them to try to influence Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.


if he gets exonerated on perjury charges, then he'll get prolly get hit on the foreign agent charge.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

he wasn't but he should be. that was probably the result of a deal he made with the former fbi clowns to admit to technical perjury.



this has to do with Gulen whom Turkey is trying to extradite. its my understanding the Flynn cut a deal with them to try to influence Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.


if he gets exonerated on perjury charges, then he'll get prolly get hit on the foreign agent charge.

Flynn wasn't, isn't and never will be charged for anything regarding Turkey. When Flynn is exonerated, it won't be because he broke some quid pro quo agreement with Mueller. It will be because the whole investigation was predicated on a lie: "fruit of the poisonous tree".

Flynn was charged with a process crime relating to an illegal government investigation -- and that investigation predates Flynn's phone call with Kislyak, and Comey lied about why and when he was looking at Flynn.

Team Mueller is done.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Flynn was charged with a process crime relating to an illegal government investigation -- and that investigation predates Flynn's phone call with Kislyak, and Comey lied about why and when he was looking at Flynn.

I'm not certain what a "process crime" is as a significant (relevant) legal term, but once I learn what it is I will research whether or not there is a statutory defense of "an illegal investigation." In the meantime I'll rely on the philosophy underlying "resisting arrest" in which it has been determined generally speaking (I've not looked at ALL "resisting" statutes in the U.S., but I am familiar with the model penal code) THAT it is a crime even if the arrest is "illegal." (Of course, I recognize that the phrase "process crime" is one of those media born references that is an attempt to marginalize a conviction in the 21st century!)

It appears this is "the source" and his assessment is purely academic in nature.
https://www.law.columbia.edu/sites/d...y.Columbia.pdf

To demonstrate the spuriousness of the "label" one only has to examine the events in Chicago recently regarding an apparent fake attack allegedly from "TrumperDeplorables" against a victim "of color"! Was making a false report to report merely a "process crime"? By definition, then, Comey et all only committed "process crimes" by lying to the Nation, the media, and Judges.

Trump can pardon Flynn irrespective of the legality of the conviction. And, IMO, if the investigation for which he was questioned when he allegedly lied was, and is, illegal, and there is sufficient evidence revealed to justify that conclusion to a reasonable person, then he should be pardoned EVEN IF HE PLED GUILTY, WHICH WAIVES ALL DEFENSES, whether statutory or constitutional, unless preserved specifically in the contract.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I'm not certain what a "process crime" is as a significant (relevant) legal term, but once I learn what it is I will research whether or not there is a statutory defense of "an illegal investigation." In the meantime I'll rely on the philosophy underlying "resisting arrest" in which it has been determined generally speaking (I've not looked at ALL "resisting" statutes in the U.S., but I am familiar with the model penal code) THAT it is a crime even if the arrest is "illegal." (Of course, I recognize that the phrase "process crime" is one of those media born references that is an attempt to marginalize a conviction in the 21st century!)

It appears this is "the source" and his assessment is purely academic in nature.
https://www.law.columbia.edu/sites/d...y.Columbia.pdf

To demonstrate the spuriousness of the "label" one only has to examine the events in Chicago recently regarding an apparent fake attack allegedly from "TrumperDeplorables" against a victim "of color"! Was making a false report to report merely a "process crime"? By definition, then, Comey et all only committed "process crimes" by lying to the Nation, the media, and Judges.

Trump can pardon Flynn irrespective of the legality of the conviction. And, IMO, if the investigation for which he was questioned when he allegedly lied was, and is, illegal, and there is sufficient evidence revealed to justify that conclusion to a reasonable person, then he should be pardoned EVEN IF HE PLED GUILTY, WHICH WAIVES ALL DEFENSES, whether statutory or constitutional, unless preserved specifically in the contract.

Yes, perjury is a crime, but in this instance it is a crime that wouldn't and couldn't have occurred except for the prosecution of a case that was an illegal abuse of government power. The government lied about when it began to spy on Flynn. They began spying on him prior to the reported phone call to Kislyak. Hence, Comey, et al, lied when he claimed that that phone call was what sparked the investigation, and the government lied when it claimed Flynn wasn't a target for the wiretap that picked up the conversation.

A "process crime" [is] against the machinery of justice itself....

II. THE “PRETEXTUAL” PROCESS CRIME: PROCESS AS PERFECT PRETEXT

Enter, then, pretextual prosecution. Whereas “process crimes” refers to a category of offenses, “pretextual prosecution” refers to a prosecutorial tactic. It reflects the mechanics of procedure rather than the content of a substantive offense.22 As described succinctly by Professors Dan Richman and William Stuntz, “pretextual prosecution” occurs when “prosecutors target defendants based on suspicion of one crime but prosecute them for another.” (Erin Murphy, "Manufacturing Crime: Process, Pretext, and Criminal Justice" Georgetown Law Journal (7 October 2008). Pp. 2 thru 6)

[Jaxson66]

[QUOTE=dilbert firestorm;1061492984]he wasn't but he should be. that was probably the result of a deal he made with the former fbi clowns to admit to technical perjury.



this has to do with Gulen whom Turkey is trying to extradite. its my understanding the Flynn cut a deal with them to try to influence Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.


if he gets exonerated on perjury charges, then he'll get prolly get hit on the foreign agent charge.[/QUOTE

Yep, that’s very possible and a pardon is possible, total exoneration isn’t.
Volume one of the Mueller report has Flynn making a lot of contact with a lot of Russians whose names are redacted. Soon those redactions will be public and a more clear picture of what he was up to can be seen.

There was no investigation into the trump campaign until trump fired Comey. The investigation was into Russian interference. The day trump fired Comey he began his campaign of obstruction. Volume two of the Mueller report is filled with incidents of obstruction. Trump was warned not to fire Comey but he did and brought this shit onto himself. Claiming there was an illegal investigation is non sense.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

There was no investigation into the trump campaign until trump fired Comey. The investigation was into Russian interference. The day trump fired Comey he began his campaign of obstruction. Volume two of the Mueller report is filled with incidents of obstruction. Trump was warned not to fire Comey but he did and brought this shit onto himself. Claiming there was an illegal investigation is non sense.

That's a bald face lie.

[rexdutchman]

The " investigation ' Started with the DDnc internet attack , back by Billary and Odumbooo

[The_Waco_Kid]

[QUOTE=Jaxson66;1061493544]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

he wasn't but he should be. that was probably the result of a deal he made with the former fbi clowns to admit to technical perjury.



this has to do with Gulen whom Turkey is trying to extradite. its my understanding the Flynn cut a deal with them to try to influence Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.


if he gets exonerated on perjury charges, then he'll get prolly get hit on the foreign agent charge.[/QUOTE

Yep, that’s very possible and a pardon is possible, total exoneration isn’t.
Volume one of the Mueller report has Flynn making a lot of contact with a lot of Russians whose names are redacted. Soon those redactions will be public and a more clear picture of what he was up to can be seen.

There was no investigation into the trump campaign until trump fired Comey. The investigation was into Russian interference. The day trump fired Comey he began his campaign of obstruction. Volume two of the Mueller report is filled with incidents of obstruction. Trump was warned not to fire Comey but he did and brought this shit onto himself. Claiming there was an illegal investigation is non sense.

You are so easily proven wrong here that it's laughable.

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey be fired

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767


PLEASE NOTE THE DATE OF THE ACTUAL LETTER ....












Dismissal of James Comey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_James_Comey


James Comey, the seventh Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), was dismissed by U.S. President Donald Trump on May 9, 2017.[1] Comey had been criticized in 2016 for his handling of the FBI's investigation of the Hillary Clinton email controversy and in 2017 for the FBI's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections as it related to possible collusion with the 2016 Donald Trump campaign.[2][3]



Trump dismissed Comey by way of a termination letter in which he stated that he was acting on the recommendation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.[4][5][6]


So .. you were saying Trump was advised NOT to fire Comey?? by whom???

Now .. when did the "Investigation" really start? well since you asked ..


https://spectator.org/crossfire-hurr...cal-espionage/


Thank you valued poster!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

You are so easily proven wrong here that it's laughable.

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey be fired

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767


PLEASE NOTE THE DATE OF THE ACTUAL LETTER ....












Dismissal of James Comey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_James_Comey


James Comey, the seventh Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), was dismissed by U.S. President Donald Trump on May 9, 2017.[1] Comey had been criticized in 2016 for his handling of the FBI's investigation of the Hillary Clinton email controversy and in 2017 for the FBI's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections as it related to possible collusion with the 2016 Donald Trump campaign.[2][3]



Trump dismissed Comey by way of a termination letter in which he stated that he was acting on the recommendation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.[4][5][6]


So .. you were saying Trump was advised NOT to fire Comey?? by whom???

Now .. when did the "Investigation" really start? well since you asked ..


https://spectator.org/crossfire-hurr...cal-espionage/


Thank you valued poster!

you need to do a better job of retaining quotes. Jaxon's quotes were wacked out.

[Jaxson66]

[QUOTE=The_Waco_Kid;1061494260]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

You are so easily proven wrong here that it's laughable.

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey be fired

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767


PLEASE NOTE THE DATE OF THE ACTUAL LETTER ....












Dismissal of James Comey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_James_Comey


James Comey, the seventh Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), was dismissed by U.S. President Donald Trump on May 9, 2017.[1] Comey had been criticized in 2016 for his handling of the FBI's investigation of the Hillary Clinton email controversy and in 2017 for the FBI's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections as it related to possible collusion with the 2016 Donald Trump campaign.[2][3]



Trump dismissed Comey by way of a termination letter in which he stated that he was acting on the recommendation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.[4][5][6]


So .. you were saying Trump was advised NOT to fire Comey?? by whom???

Now .. when did the "Investigation" really start? well since you asked ..


https://spectator.org/crossfire-hurr...cal-espionage/


Thank you valued poster!

Your proof is nothing but opinion and whataboutism. All I read was what about this and what about that and being a devout trump follower the author had to throw in Clinton.Let’s see the fucking evidence of all the deep state accusations. The Freedom caucus has been carnival barking that crap long enough.

Here in the real world a report has been made public with hard evidence to back it up. If the report exonerated the Lying Looney as he claimed he should relish the opportunity for Mueller, Mcgahn, McDonald and Sessions to testify on his behalf. From what I’ve read that ain’t happening.

[The_Waco_Kid]

[QUOTE=Jaxson66;1061494382]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Your proof is nothing but opinion and whataboutism. All I read was what about this and what about that and being a devout trump follower the author had to throw in Clinton.Let’s see the fucking evidence of all the deep state accusations. The Freedom caucus has been carnival barking that crap long enough.

Here in the real world a report has been made public with hard evidence to back it up. If the report exonerated the Lying Looney as he claimed he should relish the opportunity for Mueller, Mcgahn, McDonald and Sessions to testify on his behalf. From what I’ve read that ain’t happening.

You and you ilk of fellow Trump haters are embarrASSing yourselves. My opinion doesn't matter and neither does yours.


Are you going to deny that letter is real? You think i photo-shopped it? Did i edit Wikipedia too? Please! quit before you look more foolish than you already do.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

you need to do a better job of retaining quotes. Jaxon's quotes were wacked out.

Uh .. NO .. he needs to learn how to correctly quote a post.

[eccieuser9500]

[QUOTE=The_Waco_Kid;1061494419]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

You and you ilk of fellow Trump haters are embarrASSing yourselves. My opinion doesn't matter and neither does yours.


Are you going to deny that letter is real? You think i photo-shopped it? Did i edit Wikipedia too? Please! quit before you look more foolish than you already do.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

Your proof is nothing but opinion and whataboutism. All I read was what about this and what about that and being a devout trump follower the author had to throw in Clinton.Let’s see the fucking evidence of all the deep state accusations. The Freedom caucus has been carnival barking that crap long enough.

Here in the real world a report has been made public with hard evidence to back it up. If the report exonerated the Lying Looney as he claimed he should relish the opportunity for Mueller, Mcgahn, McDonald and Sessions to testify on his behalf. From what I’ve read that ain’t happening.

It's your opinion that doesn't pass the smell test. hildebeest's bought and paid for Steele dossier created by foreign agents and used to secure FISA warrants long before Comey was fired was pointedly about Trump. Yet you have the audacity to lie and claim that the investigation of Trump didn't begin until after Comey was fired.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

are you suggesting you "fight like a uterus" i.e. a pussy?


BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA